Wow, you speak of the New Testament, but do not even acknowledge the warnings and the certainty of false teaching dominating the church on a grand scale--and the foretold finish!
"TIME NO LONGER" (Revelation 10:6)
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Have you never read:
So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. 9 Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth. Genesis 11:8-9
No, or you would have offered a similar reasoning to what I have told you by the same Spirit.
Spiritual Israelite
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Where did I say anything about there not being any false teaching? I'm not saying that. But, why do you act like no one has understood the NT until recently? You are being ridiculous. Some have had understanding for the past almost 2,000 years. You act like you are the first to discover the truth. Get over yourself. I can't take you seriously.
You are reacting emotionally and not being honest.
It is good that you ask questions. You said "about not being any false teachings", by including those false teachings in your own stated beliefs, namely regarding the timing. Those foundational markers keep you from fully understanding--for they are the delusion from God. We have been through them already. If you want to revisit, fine. but take them one at a time--as that is how they were given.
As for "no one understanding the NT until recently", that is what is foretold: That because of believing a lie there would be strong delusion, while at the same time it is written that a portion of what Daniel and John saw would remain sealed until the end, specifically, just before the sounding of the seventh angel when he is about to sound, at which time the "mystery" of God would be finished--not before; as well as the promise of Christ to be led unto all truth. Those times should be clear.
As for me acting like "the first to discover the truth"--how would you say, those things only to be revealed would come in the time stated, from Him who is the same yesterday, today, and forever? What is ridiculous--since you accuse me--is that you have not expected these things to come during the stated time and manner. But to answer your question--you have probably read my testimony, and I have give all the clues, saying more than I should need to. You ask me to give testimony of myself--but it is not my place to do so--yet Paul did...and although I nearly gave it all to you on a platter, you did not perceive it. Therefore--as Paul also explained the terms--"what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?" Therefore, as far as my authority goes, I will leave you to your own studies and your appeals to God, that He may connect the dots for you that you have not connected.
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Spiritual Israelite
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What am I not being honest about? That comment is dishonest because it's false. You can disagree with me all you want, but I am not being dishonest about anything.
Revisit what? I don't even know what you're talking about. You are just unable to communicate clearly and I'm done with that. If you ever decide to speak more clearly and straightforwardly so I don't have to guess as to what you might be intending to say, let me know.
No it is not. Nowhere does scripture ever teach that. You make that up.
That's not talking about everyone.
Nowhere does it indicate that the seventh trumpet unseals what was sealed in the book of Daniel. That's something you have come up with in your imagination. I don't know what you're talking about in terms of things remaining sealed in the book of Revelation. What are you referring to there exactly? The time of the end in Daniel relates to the last time or last days that are referenced in the NT which refer to the entire New Testament time period. The New Testament is what reveals mysteries to us that were purposely kept hidden in OT times. Such as this...
Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
I don't need to agree with your understanding of the time and manner that those things would be revealed.
You have no authority and you prove that by not being clear about anything you say and by making all kinds of assumptions about things like equating the mystery of God with the seals in Daniel and so on. The way you interpret passages like 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 particularly reveals how little discernment you have.
Okay, one at a time then.
The next paragraph in my post listed what you are not being honest about--about what is written, that you have not factored into your own understanding, or even acknowledged.
Who's on first? Revisit the things you think are ridiculous. And yes, it is apparent that you don't know what I am talking about.
Next paragraph again. Slow down...I say something, then I explain. Very simple.
Spiritual Israelite
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Disagreeing with your interpretations is not case of being dishonest. If my interpretations aren't correct, then I'm mistaken, not dishonest. Who are you to tell me if I'm trying to look at the texts honestly or not? That's not your job.
Spiritual Israelite
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Because you are terrible at communicating. You have no interest in trying to speak in a way that people can understand what you're saying without having to guess. This is a complete waste of time. I'm done.
The word in scope is "strong" (delusion), meaning many. But I as I also explain--as do the scriptures: Because of those false foundational stones A little leaven has leavened the whole lump.
Connect the dots.
I am not going to read everything you write, when your first sentence is incorrect. Slow down. I didn't say the seventh trump unseals anything.
Spiritual Israelite
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As usual, you're not being specific. Are you referring to 2 Thessalonians 2:11, which is the only Bible verse that refers to strong delusion? That verse relates to a time period just before the return of Christ, not a time period that began 2,000 years ago.
I'm not going to waste time trying to connect your convoluted dots. There is no reason for you to be so mysterious instead of just getting to the point and I don't want to waste any more time trying to get you to be more specific about things since you clearly have no interest in that.
Spiritual Israelite
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See? Once again you're not being clear then. You came across that you were saying that the seventh trumpet is when the mystery of God is finished at which point the seals of Daniel and Revelation are unsealed. That's not what you were intending to say? This is hopeless. Why you refuse to just be specific and straightforward about what you are intending to say when you have no reason not to be, I'll never know.
Your lack of knowledge of me and what is written, is not the measure of anything...but your own understanding, not mine, and certainly not my authority.
But no, I have not been "interpreting" the passages, but explaining then and fulfilling them...as it is written.
Spiritual Israelite
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Yes, you do interpret the passages and you explain how you think they are fulfilled, but not clearly. Because of that, this discussion is a complete waste of time. I can only address most of what you say by what I can only guess you might be saying. I don't want to waste time doing that. Time to move on.
You are not honest, because you accuse me while making your own claims. If you were honest, you would have only countered or asked for further explanation.
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