WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?
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Gary Mac
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Actually the same Spirit that God is Who came to Mary is the very same Spirit of God who came to Jesus in Matt 3:16, and impregnathed them both with His knowledge of Mind, which simply is Love. Born again of God, And until the same happens in you, there is no way you can be born again of God as these were, giving birth to that same thing as these gave birth to.
And that didnt start with Mary LOL, it started in Adam he was the first who's God Spirit came and did the very same as He did in Abraham, Moses Mary, Jesus 120 but obviously the same is not revealed in you, but it would if you would let it and give birth the Christ within which simply is Gods anointing, to be born in His same image instead of your own ideas for a god.
Man as a god is totally lack in knowing the One who is a Spirit and you are supposed to be that temple of Him just as Mary became, Jesus became and all of these we read of became the very same way -- By God Himself. That is exactly what you are missing in yourself.
If Jesus was fully God and man, then so am I for the same Spirit is in me who was in Jesus. Let this same mind, God, be in you who was in Christ Jesus is the only way you will understand who God really is. And as long as you reject Him, then flesh in carnality will be your god.
And that didnt start with Mary LOL, it started in Adam he was the first who's God Spirit came and did the very same as He did in Abraham, Moses Mary, Jesus 120 but obviously the same is not revealed in you, but it would if you would let it and give birth the Christ within which simply is Gods anointing, to be born in His same image instead of your own ideas for a god.
Man as a god is totally lack in knowing the One who is a Spirit and you are supposed to be that temple of Him just as Mary became, Jesus became and all of these we read of became the very same way -- By God Himself. That is exactly what you are missing in yourself.
If Jesus was fully God and man, then so am I for the same Spirit is in me who was in Jesus. Let this same mind, God, be in you who was in Christ Jesus is the only way you will understand who God really is. And as long as you reject Him, then flesh in carnality will be your god.
Gary Mac
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Yes and most have the image of God as a man instead of the Spirit that He is and in man.
Amen cling to Gods Spirit instead of man images about a god.
And all who has received from God the same as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 where a new heaven and earth is opened in us, those old habits for religious early church dissipate and we become like Him instead. 1 John 3:2.
Behold
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Your theology sounds like an Acid Trip talking.
Im curious......
What you post is not related to the Bible, the NT, or Christianity.
Do you have a source ? A book, a commentary?....a writer.??.........who is supplying your information that you are posting?
Can you name it or them?
Does your home church have a name, if you go to church?
ok Gary mac
This is not turning into a JESUS IS NOT GOD thread because I don't believe those types of threads should even be allowed on CHRISTIAN Forums....
§So I'm not responding to the above.....
suffice it to say that, again, you have a language all your own.
You sure do make a lot of ASSUMPTIONS doctrox.
You seem to be obsessed with those that were taught by the Apostles.
Shame.
I was hoping to broaden your horizons, but to no avail.
Please do not derail this thread any further re this topic.
Thanks.
Gary Mac
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My theology? All I do is quote fro the book who you are supposed to be in the Father as Jesus said you should be.
And I suppose that It would sound like an acid trip to one who never has met the same Spirit that God is as these did but is of a cult with different ideas from that of Jesus in who he said he was in God and all would be if we received the same from God as he did in Matt 3:16. You cant know God at all without the same be in you who was in Christ Jesus.
Sure it is. Are you denying that the Spirit of God Who came to Mary or Jesus or Adam or Abraham, or Moses or 120 or in us all who will did not receive Him?
I suppose it wouldn't be in another bible apart from the Christian bible.
Yes I do, it is called the Holy bible and starts in Gen 1 all the way through Revelations how God Himself came to man by the Spirit that He is and will come to all the very same in those who will let Him. You might get a copy of it and read how He did come to man before you comment further in ignorance about a subject that you know noting of.
Home church, go to church? All who has the same Mind in us who was in Jesus from God Himself are His church. It is who we are not what these religious minds has a belief about it as in laws of denominations confined to four walls, if that is what you are referring to as church.
How about you tell me about these churches. Mormons say they have it right, Catholics say they have it right, Pentecostal say they have it right, Baptists say they have it right, Church of Christ say that have it right, Muslims say they have it right. Jews say they have it right And along with the other some 35,000 known denominations say they have it right. Which one of these are you of and all the rest has it wrong? LOL.
The real truth is either you have received from God the same as all of these did we read of in that book and became obedient too the God of it who is a Spirit of Love as all of these did, or you have not received from God the same as these did, and you know very well if you have received the same God in you that Jesus received in himself in Matt 3:16..
And that is exactly why you ask these questions in pure ignorance for who God really is, And the real truth is in that book when you actually read it as it says instead of mans editing of it from a belief instead of the the truth in who you would become in the Father as Jesus did. And truth is that when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him 1 John 3:2. And what it says in Matt 5;48 be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. That is impossible for you isnt it. And I would guess that you are a sinner and follower of that doctrine instead of being born of God, born again to be in His same image and we all who are born of God, it is possible to be in sin. 1 John 9.
Obviously you have not read that book, or you have read it and then edited it to suit the denominational laws that obviously you are of instead of walking as He walks in His same light as the book actually commands of you if you are to be of the God of it and perfect as He is perfect.
And if you have read it you would know that Jesus had it right in Luke 17:20-21 when he said the kingdom of God does not come with observation it is with you. All of that is foreign to you obviously by your comments.
And who do you say this was that is quoted of Jesus in that book when he said these things about his God and who he was in his God?
Tell us plainly without editing in your denominational laws that has you under their religious laws for a belief about it instead.
But you won't tell white was Jesus spoke of because you dont know Who it was Jesus spoke of who Hent him to sho you what it is to be in the same God he was of and even prayed to his God that you be in the same God he was of in John 17.
Get a christian bible and read these things instead of commenting in ignorance about them. Try following Jesus in who he said he was in God and that you would be the same IF!
I have asked this same questions of several here and not one will answer, and I suspect you won't answer that question either for who it was Jesus spoke in what he said below.
Again get that book and read it yourself. Dont take my word for it try and take Jesus word for it if that is possible for you!
John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you
John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.
Gary Mac
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LOL -- and do you know why you will not respond to who Jesus said he was in God When he said this of himself and his God who sent him quoted of Jesus below? I do. So does the God of it.
You won't answer because you dont know who it was Jesus spoke when he said this about himself and his God who sent him. Nor do you even know why he said God sent him to show you the way to his God. Flat out denying Jesus openly to his very face even tough he said who he was in God. You just never have heard the gos[el as Jesus taught it is all.
John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you
John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.
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Gary Mac
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It is onely as bizarre as it was to the Jews who didnt understand Jesus either. They had a very difficult time relating to who Jesus said he was in the Father as well. And look how these treated him for that very same blaspheme as you do me for the very same reason.
As Far as God dropping His seed, Spirit of mind in man, ejaculating His same knowledge ion Love that God is in man ,all He is come to become pregnant in Him. Giving birth to that seed, which is Christ within, Gods anointing within, is the painful part of man who only has a belief about a god.
Only because you refuse His seed that makes us His children doesnt mean everyone has rejected it, Few who has found His way, but for most as yourself it is so foreign to you only because you refuse His seed be planted in you as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16 and all these others who he came to reside in that we read of.
Yes' the name of the book is Holy Bible. Which means little books. You can purchase one at just about any book store.
Gary Mac
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Jesus really did receive from God who He is and all of His heaven was opened in that man no matter what you say or believe of it. It is written in Matt 3:16 and if you do not believe it just state that it is wrong for you. Man up instead of trying to justify your own ideas about it instead of trying to manipulate people away from the truth that is so obvious in iy!
Behold, I've asked @Gary Mac to start a thread on why Jesus is not God.
He could tag us in and we'll explain why Jesus has to be God.
I'd like this thread not to become a JESUS IS NOT GOD thread.
Gary Mac
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I dislike this topic, as I said, it should not even be discussed on a Christian Forum.
However, I'll start the thread and will tag in you and @Behold.
See you there.
Behold
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No bible teaches that "Jesus was impregnated by God".
Also, Mary was not impregnated by God........Jesus was formed, created, inside her womb by the Holy Spirit.
So, what book, or commentary, or online website, or video, teaches the idea that they were "impregnated"?
Behold
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Gary Mac
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See so the Bible doesn't state that God did not come to Mary and drop His Seed within, which is a Spirit, in her and she did not conceive the results of it?
Oh no not at all. Jesus received the same in Him in Matt 3;16 that Mary received in herself from God Himself. Joseph was Jesus earthly father, and was made of a woman born under the laws for flesh. Man and woman producing a son of man.
DO a little study to show yourself approved. Here is the study from the Greek meanings where there is a mistranslation in modern Bibles from the Greek which includes the KJV, in the 1st chapter of Matthew, it mistranslates "father" to "husband".
Due to this simple mistranslation, people as yourself for years have been confused concerning the genealogies of the Messiah, Mary, and Joseph, and you can see many people making up a lot of stuff to try and feel better about the confusion.
This may have even helped cause some people to lose faith in the scriptures because of the modern Christians confusing this verse and making it look like the Gospels do not know the genealogies.
This mistranslation can be major because this is the very start of the gospels, and it can potentially lead people into thinking that it says the Messiah is not the son of David, when it's known that the Messiah would be from David's line. Also, the mistranslation causes a contradiction with Matthew 1:17.
Verse 17 states that there are 14 generations from Abraham to David, then from David until the Babylon captivity are 14 generations, and then from the Babylon captivity to the Messiah there are 14 generations;
Matthew 1:17 "So all the generations from Abraham to David are 14 generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are 14 generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Messiah are 14 generations"
This actually helps us confirm the mistranslation, and when the mistranslation is corrected, there is absolutely no contradiction.
Well when you read the Christian bible you will read that the same God who came to Adam is the same God who came to 120 and all in-between and gave them His seed, knowledge, that they would know Him and become like Him to know the difference from a carnal man as a god and the God who came to that carnal man starting in Adam. Mary or Jesus did not receive that same Spirit of God for about 4000 years later. And if you say it was a different God then your beliefs of a god will never come to you and drop His seed in you that you to would bw born again Gods child, by give birth to the seed within which would be Christ in you, which is His anointing of mind, knowledge, the that He pouts in us all who are willing to receive in us His seed that is Spirit. for Gods kingdom is Spirit and man is the temple of Him. But obviously you have different ides by mans teachings for a belief instead of actuals from God Himself.
His bride gives birth to His seed, and all who has received His seed are His bride and Mary was one of them, so was Jesus proven in Matt 3:16 when He came to Jesus the same. So am I and you are supposed to be as well.
And dont tell me His bride is His church full of of pews and teachings of man, His bride conceives in us Who He is and all of His heaven in us. You never have looked at the ways of God for you to be in His same age have you? All you see of a god is a man. The Greek and Egyptians also worshiped men as gods.
Behold
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Paul teaches, that "the seed of Abraham" is "Christ"... Gal 3:16......so, that prophecy is ... = the Holy Spirit, creating Jesus, inside a Virgin's womb.
That is not "impregnating".....that is God who is the author of creation, creating.
Listen , God can create a human, any way He wants to do it.
Like....
From the Earth, = Adam
From a rib = Eve
From your parents, = you
Inside a virgin's womb through the Holy Spirit.......= Jesus.
No verse in a bible says that God gave the 120 (during Pentecost) any "seed".
Gary Mac
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You dont understands who or what Christ is. Christ isnt a man at all, Christ is Gods anointing to have His same Spirit, disposition of mind. Jesus was Christ because he was anointed of it and that didnt happen until he was about 30 years old. Same anointing from God as his Mother received which was Christ in her, Adam Abraham Moses, 120 all were anointed of Christos to receive from God His spiritual seed that He puts within man. Christ in me is the same One who was in Christ Jesus. We are Christs and Christ is Gods.
Then you are not His bride are you!
Good is a Spirit and He creates all who will receive Him to be in His same image that He creates man to be. It has nothing at all to do with the mortal man other than the House that God Who is a Spirit resides in. It may not be with you as Jesus said it is in Luke 17:20-21, but it is me.
All men are from the earth and obviously Adam was not the first man on earth. His own son went into the land of Nod and took a wife. Adam was just the first to recognize who God really is.
From the same S[pirit of God who came to Adam and he became like the God who is a Spirit did these come by.
Yes just as Jesus came from his parents Mary and Joseph. And just as you came from your parents, son of man.
Every person on this planet including Jesus are virgin to Gods Spirit, and not one is born with it not even Jesus proven in Matt 3:16 when God came to that man by the Spirit that He is and opens up in Jesus, opens up in Mary, Adam Abraham< Moses 120 who He is and all of His heaven in us by that very same Spirit. He hasn't come to you that you would understand the spirit that He is, all that you see of a god is flesh, the carnal understanding that comes by flesh and not Spirit.
I see so Gods Spirit didn not come to them like a mighty russing wind? You sure do like to try and denote who God is. Why? Because you are in favor of your own god that you can control and dictate your own yay to instead of being of the One of Love that God simply is and man is the temple of Him. SO simple and you make it so hard.
There is so much that you could learn about Spirit if you would actually listen to Jesus in who he said you would be in the Father. And every stipulation that Jesus pronounced comes with an IF. Only if, but you only refuse to learn from God Himself what this is all about, you have a better way then His.
Christ, Gods anointing in man, is humiliating to the the temper of mind that looks upon God through a belief instead of the reality of being in the presences of God with Christ in you as your own mind, anointed of God, not anointed of mans doctrines for a belief about a god.
Just look at yourself at the rebellion to be like Him where you state His ways in Spirit is is false doctrine even though I copy and past who Jesus said he was in God that you actually are accusing him of blaspheme and he didnt mean what he said about his God who he said sent him to show you the way you are supposed to be in the same God that he was of. You read what Jesus said then actually call him a liar.
God demands that you have His same Spirit of mind, which is the mind of Christ, anointed of God. And the moment that you stop debatioin with God about Him being flesh instead of Spirit as you are doing, is the moment that He comes to you and reveals Himself where the Spirit of God witnesses to the redemption of our Lord, and He does not witness to anything else. It isnt that God won't reveal Himself in you, it is that He cant because you refuse to let Him as Jesus let Him in Matt 3:16 and all these others who let Him and they to became like Him.
If God is to regenerate your mind, born again, to have His same Spirit of mind, Christ in you, it is you that He is up against.
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