Is it possible to lose salvation?

[GodsGrace]

Belief… does not mean Saved.
men can believe, then not believe. It is you exercising, your FREEWILL, your own POWER to Reject Gods Word.

Call on the Lords Name..
He Listens.
Confess your True (Heartful, spiritual )…. Not (mindful)…. Belief…

Guess what happens Next?
The very thing Scripture Teaches MEN TO DO…. Verify what you Hear IS true or Not.
How does God DO THAT?
He Searches a mans spirit iN his Heart, to verify the mans Confession of Belief IS True..
And IF IT IS NOT???
Is the All knowing God Fooled… to give that man His Gift of Salvation…?
To Later be made a Fool, Because that man later Rejects God?

According to your teaching… YES.
You claim a man Can RECEIVE Salvation…. Then LOSE his Salvation…
That is False.

Jesus paid the PRICE ONCE and FOR ALL… to HAVE His Gift of Salvation…

Do you think IF anyone buys a Gift FOR you…
You possess that Gift,? (You don’t)
Not until you Take it.

Do you think YOU are Required to reach out your hand and Take that Gift? (You’re Not)

Do you think there are NO requirements / terms / conditions for a man TO “RECEIVE” Gods Gift of Salvation? (There is).

You seem to believe BECAUSE God “Bought, Paid for, Offered All men His Gift of Salvation…” The Gift magically appears. (It doesn’t).

If a man “Does Not fulfill the ConditionS”…(Before his mortal death”…)
He “Forfeits Receiving his Offered Gift”.

What a man Falls Away FROM… IS Faith.

Sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo,,,
which we get to hear on these Forums.

Please reply, with scripture, to my post no. 2218
which deals DIRECTLY with Luke 8:13 and Luke 15:24

That would be appreciated.

 

[GodsGrace]

“We”, is your opinion to include / exclude your choices.

“You” can “thank” whomever you please….as can I.

I chose a long time ago, to Place my Committed BELIEF and Trust and Thankfulness, IN the Lord God…
His Word, His Power, His Church.
He IS my Rock…( not earthly men )

Deut . 32:
[4] He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Deut. 32:
[31] For ”their” rock is not as our (my) Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.

1 Cor 10:
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

Let me make this clear Taken:

ALL Christians, of ANY denomination would not be here IF the original church, which is the CC,
did not combat heresies and keep them out of the early church.

NONE of the Protestant denominations were around at the time of the early church.


PLEASE reply to my post no.2218 with scripture.

 

[GodsGrace]

I called your comment of your understanding nonsense.

Salvation is Offered to “Living” men…
take it or not.

TASTING…Gods Word, Enjoying Gods Blessing FOR Tasting Gods Word….
IS NOT EATING Gods Word.

A TAST-ER can SPIT out Gods Word.
They were NOT Saved… then Un-Saved
They were IN Faith, and Fell from Faith.

Jesus IS the Word of God…
EATING the Word of God, IS ONE of the Conditional Requirements….
BEFORE a Living human man IS Given Gods Gift of Salvation.

Salvation is “GIVEN” AFTER an Accounted bodily Death.

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:


* Do You think dead Bodys, come back to life, To Reject their Salvation?

Ecc 9:
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.



John 10:
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
[58] This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Multiple Scriptures have repeatedly been posted on this forum…
No one can understand Scripture For you.
… And “IF” any man “does NOT Eat”…
Is he Given Salvation/ For ever Life?…then Lose that Gift?

No.

Men “LOSE” their bought, paid for, offered Gift of Salvation…
Because they Fail to TAKE their Gift.

Great.


Now reply to my post no. 2218

 

[Behold]

ALL Christians, of ANY denomination would not be here IF the original church, which is the CC,

The original "church" is all the born again Believers who make up the "Church".
So, this started with the 11 Apostles, in John 20:22, and then the 3000 Jews in Acts 2.
There is your "original Church"........and none of them are Catholic.
Paul was not a Catholic, and he wrote all the NT Doctrine and most of the NT Epistles.
None of the Apostles were of the CC..........and the only reason "Peter" has been defined as a Pope, is because a man made denomination decided that this was what THEY TEACH, after He was dead.

The CC, is a denomination, that is very old, but its not "the Church".....its just am old denomination that created the dark ages, and murded millions of what they define as "heretics".
The MaryCult has murdered more people then the Islam religion.

Notice the Book i posted below.
These were unusual Christians, who the MaryCult defined as heretics, and murdered between 200,000 and 1 million of them.
Murdered them.
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[GodsGrace]

The Bread of Life, the Blood of Atonement, and the Secret Hidden Since the Manna in the Wilderness

When Jesus said in John 6:53–57, “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you… Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life,” He was not speaking about physically chewing His body or literally drinking His blood. From the very beginning of Scripture, God gave His people the meaning of blood, bread, and drink in a way that shows His words must be understood spiritually.

In Leviticus 17:11, God said, “The life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls.” Blood was sacred because it represented life itself, which belongs to God. That’s why in Deuteronomy 12:23, the Lord commanded, “The blood is the life; you may not eat the life with the meat.” This means that when Jesus told His followers to “drink His blood,” He was not asking them to break God’s law. He was using the symbolism of blood to point to His life poured out for them on the cross — life that they must receive in order to be saved.

This same chapter already gives us the key to understanding His words. In John 6:35, Jesus says plainly, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” Here “eating” is the same as coming to Him, and “drinking” is the same as believing in Him. These are spiritual actions, not physical ones. Later, in John 6:63, He makes this even clearer: “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.” If it were about physical flesh and blood, the flesh would profit something — but Jesus says it is the Spirit that gives life.

The Old Testament also used “eating” and “drinking” as pictures of receiving God’s truth and life. Jeremiah 15:16 says, “Your words were found, and I ate them, and Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart.” In Ezekiel 3:1–3, God told the prophet to eat a scroll as a vision of receiving His message deep within. These were not literal meals, but symbolic ways of showing that God’s Word must be taken into the heart.

Jesus also tied His teaching to one of Israel’s most famous miracles — the manna in the wilderness. In Exodus 16, God fed His people with bread from heaven so they would not die of hunger. Psalm 78:24–25 says, “He rained down manna on them to eat, and gave them of the bread of heaven. Men ate angels’ food; He sent them food to the full.” Yet even though they ate this heavenly bread, they still died physically. In John 6:49–50, Jesus says, “Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.” By calling Himself the true bread from heaven, He was showing that He is the fulfillment of the manna — the one who gives eternal life, not just daily sustenance.

At the cross, the meaning of His words became complete. In John 19:34, a Roman soldier pierced Jesus’ side, “and immediately blood and water came out.” This was a real event, but it carried deep symbolism. The blood fulfilled Leviticus 17:11, showing His life given as atonement for sin. The water points to cleansing and the gift of the Holy Spirit, as promised in Ezekiel 36:25–27 and explained by Jesus in John 4:14, “The water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.” Both blood and water flowing from His side showed that His death brought both forgiveness and new spiritual life.

This imagery was also given a visible form at the Last Supper. In Matthew 26:26–28, “Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, ‘Take, eat; this is My body.’ Then He took the cup… saying, ‘Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.’” He used bread and wine — ordinary physical elements — as symbols of His body and blood, pointing to His coming sacrifice. Just as bread and drink sustain physical life, His sacrifice sustains eternal life for all who believe. The Last Supper mirrors John 6 in symbolic meaning: to “eat” and “drink” is to receive Him fully, to trust in His sacrifice, and to live through Him.

So when we see Jesus saying “I am the bread of life” in John 6, giving His body as bread at the Last Supper, shedding blood and water at the cross, and recalling the manna from heaven in the wilderness, all these moments are connected. They form one complete picture:

• He is the true bread from heaven — the only source of eternal life.
• His blood is His life given for our atonement.
• Receiving Him means believing in Him, trusting His sacrifice, and letting His Spirit live in us.

To miss the symbolism is to risk misunderstanding His teaching. Jesus was not speaking of a physical act that gives life, but of a spiritual reality that must be entered into by faith. To “eat His flesh” and “drink His blood” is to accept His life and death on our behalf, remain in Him, and let His life become ours, so that on the last day, He will raise us up as He promised.

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LoveYeshua
You can explain John 6 any way that you deem appropritate.

I like to read the NT plainly and simply.
Jesus said TRULY TRULY IOW,,,,pay attention I'm going to say something important.
Then He went on to make some statements that were so extreme that it caused some to leave.

He didn't ask them to come back because they misunderstood...
He, instead, asked the Apostles if they TOO were going to leave because of this difficult saying that is hard to accept.

Receiving Him means all that you have stated.
But we RECEIVE Jesus even sans communion.

 

[GodsGrace]

The original "church" is all the born again Believers who make up the "Church".
So, this started with the 11 Apostles, in John 20:22, and then the 3000 Jews in Acts 2.
There is your "original Church"........and none of them are Catholic.
Paul was not a Catholic, and he wrote all the NT Doctrine and most of the NT Epistles.
None of the Apostles were of the CC..........and the only reason "Peter" has been defined as a Pope, is because a man made denomination decided that this was what THEY TEACH, after He was dead.

The CC, is a denomination, that is very old, but its not "the Church".....its just a denomination.

I didn't say it's THE CHURCH.

Please read carefully.
I said it's the ORIGINAL church.

Anyone that does not know this does not know church history.

The early non-Jewish people were referred to as:

THE WAY
CHRISTIANS
CATHOLIC (by 105AD).

If you don't agree please post some church history that denies this.

 

[soberxp]

If you love your God with all your heart,mind,and soul.
How could you lose it?

 

[Behold]

I didn't say it's THE CHURCH.

Please read carefully.
I said it's the ORIGINAL church.

Its an old denomination.

The "church" is each born again believer.

Anyone that does not know this does not know church history.

Im teaching it to you now.

You dont even understand that the body of Christ is "the Church"....and this is not a denomination, its each individual CHRISTian.

The early non-Jewish people were referred to as:

THE WAY
CHRISTIANS
CATHOLIC (by 105AD).

The Apostles were all Jews.
So, they were considered of "the Way"... and "Christians," but not Catholics.. as this is a denimomination.

 

[Grailhunter]

The audience hearing Him that day in Capernaum (John 6:59) struggled because they took His words in a purely physical sense, asking, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

Wrong again.
When describing it He said “truly truly. And when He performed the Bread and Wine Ritual He said “This is my blood…” Not… this symbolizes My blood.

Paul understood the direct divine connection….

23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. 27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 1st Corinthians 11:23-29

And early Christian writers understood the miracle of the Lord’s body and blood in the Bread and Wine Ritual…..

Irenaeus teaches that the bread and wine are really the Lord’s body and blood. His witness is, indeed, all the more impressive because he produces it quite incidentally while refuting the Gnostic and Docetic rejection of the Lord’s real humanity.

If the Lord were from other than the Father, how could he rightly take bread, which is of the same creation as our own, and confess it to be his body and affirm that the mixture in the cup is his blood?

Hippolytus speaks of ‘the body and the blood’ through which the Church is saved, and Tertullian regularly describes the bread as ‘the Lord’s body.

Ignatius of Antioch Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes.

Justin Martyr For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus.

 

[Taken]

Let me make this clear Taken:

ALL Christians, of ANY denomination would not be here IF the original church, which is the CC,
did not combat heresies and keep them out of the early church.

NONE of the Protestant denominations were around at the time of the early church.

Thanks for sharing your vote of Confidence for Catholics …
However, I am Confident Gods Way, is Perfect.

 

[GodsGrace]

If you love your God with all your heart,mind,and soul.
How could you lose it?

Well, on a different thread you stated that we must obey God.

Some do not believe this.
They state that our behavior has nothing to do with salvation.
Some go so far as to say that our good work are like filthy rags to God.

So YOU are making a good statement...
IF WE LOVE GOD with our heart, mind and soul (by the way, the mind is part of the soul)
then will we not also obey God, as you seem to believe?

So what to say to those that make it seem as though obedience is not necessary to be saved??

The NT teaches that if we do not obey God we WILL lose our salvation...
because Jesus said to follow His commandments, and that would be obedience to Jesus.

John 14:15
15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

 

[Behold]

When describing it He said “truly truly. And when He performed the Bread and Wine Ritual He said “This is my blood…” Not… this symbolizes My blood.

Sorry, but your Catholic nonsense is unscriptural, and false.

See, It was not Jesus's Literal Blood at the Last Supper, as if it was, he would have bled into the cup.
It was not Jesus's Litearl Body given at the Last Supper, as if it was, He would have cut a part of his flesh off and given it to them .

Jesus knows that the OT that He authored by the HOLY Spirit says that its an abomination before God to drink blood and eat human flesh.
You dont know this, because you are a not a real student of the bible. .. @Grailhunter

Now....When did Jesus offer His blood and body LITERALLY?? = He offered it LITERALLY when they whipped Him and Crucified Him, and His BLOOD was thereby shed, and His Body literally given on THE CROSS.

 

[GodsGrace]

Its an old denomination.

The "church" is each born again believer.




Im teaching it to you now.

You dont even understand that the body of Christ is "the Church"....and this is not a denomination, its each individual CHRISTian.



The Apostles were all Jews.
So, they were considered of "the Way"... and "Christians," but not Catholics.. as this is a denimomination.

Wow.
The Apostles were all Jews.
Yeah.
Wow.
I'm going to have to begin studying theology all over again after 50 years of it.


WHY don't you read my post again.
SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY.

And then TRY to come back and give an intelligent reply.

 

[GodsGrace]

Thanks for sharing your vote of Confidence for Catholics …
However, I am Confident Gods Way, is Perfect.

Hate to break it to you Taken....
But the Catholic church was the first church.

You could take it or leave it..
but that is simple history.

And since God planned it this way,,,,
sounds like you're confident that His way is perfect.

So..when are you going to reply to my post no. 2218

Are you UNABLE to...
you just like to make your mumbo jumbo replies?

waiting....

 

[Behold]

Wow.
The Apostles were all Jews.
Yeah.
Wow.
I'm going to have to begin studying theology all over again after 50 years of it.

You posted that the early "non jewish" Christians were defined as "THe Way, and "Christians".

Im helping you to understand, (after your 50 yrs of study), that the Jewish Apostles were defined as being of "the Way" and "Christians".
Hopefully it wont take you 50 more yrs "of study" to realize it.

 

[Behold]

But the Catholic church was the first church.

The were among the first denomination. ...
The 1st "church" are the first born again Christians........so, you want to read John 20:22 and Acts 2, and find out who that is, and none were Catholics.

 

[soberxp]

Well, on a different thread you stated that we must obey God.

Some do not believe this.
They state that our behavior has nothing to do with salvation.
Some go so far as to say that our good work are like filthy rags to God.

So YOU are making a good statement...
IF WE LOVE GOD with our heart, mind and soul (by the way, the mind is part of the soul)
then will we not also obey God, as you seem to believe?

So what to say to those that make it seem as though obedience is not necessary to be saved??

The NT teaches that if we do not obey God we WILL lose our salvation...
because Jesus said to follow His commandments, and that would be obedience to Jesus.

John 14:15
15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

To be honest, it was a Spirit told to me :"you do not love Jesus at all."
Then I found myself was so stupid And numb.
As you mentioned the scriptures,

John 14:15

15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

 

[GodsGrace]

To be honest, it is a Spirit told to me :"you do not love Jesus at all."
Then I found myself was so stupid And numb.
As you mentioned the scriptures,

John 14:15

15“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

If you believe in God
and you obey God
Then you love God.

If you say that you do not have to obey God...
then you cannot love God.

We all sin, but at least we should do our best not to.

 

[Taken]

Hate to break it to you Taken....
But the Catholic church was the first church.

Christs Church…is with IN a man.

A Gathering of men…hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ…heard the Gospel, in open fields, in town squares, in the Temple, in Synagogue's, in homes, Long before A group of men decided to appoint themselves as the Teachers and Preachers of “the Universe”.

The “Universe”… Bold…funny. Since mans habitat / estate is Earth, and the Universe includes the cosmos… The estate of holy angels.
Quite Confident, holy angels Have “the Highest Ranking Cleric”! (And it is not the Catholic Church)

 

[Taken]

.

We all sin, but at least we should do our best not to.

We all begin our Natural Life IN Sin…
Which means: Against God.

We all have opportunity to hear and Learn ABOUT God, and Freely Choose To Believe (Accept God) or Not Believe (Continue standing AGAINST God.)

Do you really Believe men…who Give their Heartful true word of Belief and their bodily Life unto Death, confirming their Belief…
And ARE blessed with Gods Gift of Salvation…
Continue TO SIN…(ie. Stand Against God)?

Glory to God,
Taken