Is it possible to lose salvation?

[nedsk]

Well I would venture a guess that it was what was handed down from the Apostles and what was taught by Paul. Not everything that was sais became scripture but would not have contradicted what God decided would become Scripture. The word tradition here means teaching- not some practice or custom.

Your guesses are not relevant. If traditions were teachings they would be called teaching. Traditons are the passing on of praactices

tradition /trə-dĭsh′ən/

noun​

1. The passing down of elements of a culture from generation to generation, especially by oral communication.
   "cultural practices that are preserved by tradition."
2. A mode of thought or behavior followed by a people continuously from generation to generation; a custom or usage.
   "the traditions of Tibetan Buddhism."
3. A set of such customs and usages viewed as a coherent body of precedents influencing the present: synonym: heritage.
   "followed family tradition in dress and manners."

 

[nedsk]

If Jesus is really in the substance as you believe then you would fall flat on your face because of His holiness.

Yes thats right but we come to him with confidence at his command to eat his body and drink his blood.

 

[Taken]

Nice try.

How about reply to my post no. 2218?

And you think John 15:2 is explained by what you wrote above?

No wonder Christianity is in trouble.

You could try again...


What does this mean?

John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;


Does that sound to you like a born again believer is saved forever??
Jesus wouldn't agree with you.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I used to think this.
The problem began when I found out what
John 6:53 means.

What do YOU think it means LoveYeshua?

I have answered this in a few posts already. You want me to understand something obviously but I don't know what. Could you be direct and point to what is amiss or I did not understand? this would help.

thanks.

 

[Taken]

Uhhh.
That post wasn't to YOU.

Of course we're on an open board and you can reply to it....

But how about replying to MY posts to YOU instead?

A reply to 2218 would be appreciated.

Tough, isn't it?

Irrelevant.

 

[Taken]

Nice try.

Too bad you didn’t Verify…Perhaps because it doesn’t apply to you…nor for you to understand.

Yes. Men Are the Church.
1 Cor 3:
[17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Yes. The Gospel was preached IN synagogues, long before “a group of men calling themselves “catholic” hijacked Christs Church,” building their church on “Peter and Mary”, unbeknownst to them.

Acts 13:
[13] Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem.
[14] But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
[15] And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
[16] Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.

John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;


Does that sound to you like a born again believer is saved forever??
Jesus wouldn't agree with you.

You are severely limited in Understanding… and make yourself look foolish, by name calling and snarking accusing rather than searching the Scriptures to Verify.

Straight off, I know by the Precise Language that verse is Expressly Speaking of a born again man.

What I know, And you do not, IS:
Every born again man, CAN receive Rewards “IF” they Glorify God Before other men…( ie. Produce fruits)…
“iF” a man Does Not, glorify God Before Other men…God takes away, does not Give Rewards He would have Given.

That verse has Nothing to do with Losing Salvation.


1 Cor 3:
[9] For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
[10] According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
[11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
[12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
[13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
[14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

[16] Know ye not that ye/( the born again) are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

 

[Grailhunter]

When you teach that the Communion or the Last Supper is the : "literal body of Jesus and literal blood" then you are teaching 100% Catholic (MaryCult) Theology.

Sharp as a bowling ball! So you think Yeshua and the Apostles and the early Christian writers were Catholic. When it comes to Yeshua and the Apostles and the early Christians writers you stand alone on this. And as a person that denies all that it would be fair say you are a heretic.

 

[Grailhunter]

When you teach that the Communion or the Last Supper is the : "literal body of Jesus and literal blood" then you are teaching 100% Catholic (MaryCult) Theology.
And if that Priest ever puts that Catholic Wafer in your mouth, they will tell you that that is the LITERAL Body of Jesus, and that wine or grape juice is the LITERAL blood of Jesus.

Welcome to CATHOLIC Theology.......its as false as false can be.



But its not His blood, literally, during the last Supper.
As His blood was running inside His veins and was going to be poured out of them, not too many hours later, as the LITERAL Sacrifice of Jesus's body and Blood.

See : "The Cross" for the update on Jesus's literal body and blood being given for the sin of the world, and that is not symbolic.




Sin is in your heart.
Remember?
So, can water baptism cleanse your heart?
The MaryCult will tell you that it "washes away you sin"..
Now.....Can water touch the sin on the inside of you, @Grailhunter ?
If so, the next time you commit that favorite carnal deed, then take a shower and you're good to go.......right?

As usual you are way too messed up for me or God or the scriptures to help you. Again you should start your own religion.

 

[GodsGrace]

But you left them out. (Apostles), and (Jewish Christians) ........when you posted that it was Gentiles only who were "of the way".

Goodness. , how many more times do i need to show you this?





The only "church" is the body of Christ.......The Christians.

Now, all This stuff..

Catholic.
Baptist
Methodist
AOG
Church of Christ
Ect...

See all those?

Those are "denominations"........that contain Christians.

Unfortunately for your argument...
the denominations you listed above were not present after Jesus ascended.
They came about after 1,500AD.

Now the word "Catholic" means "universal"......but this is a lie regarding the MaryCult as they do not exactly accept those other denominations as being "the one true Church"..

Of course not.
Because the CC believes THEY are the one true church since they were around from the beginning.

And certainly, you would not try to be dishonest about that....as you know that the MaryCult falsely proclaimes itself as the ONLY= "ONE TRUE Church".. wich means that all others, like those in my list are ...not "TRUE", According to false MaryCult teaching.

Well, that is not what the CC teaches.
But I'm not throwing out any pearls this fine evening.

I teach the early History regarding the Local Assemblies that were found in people's Houses. (churches).
Do you rememver when...Ananias and Sapphira tried to cheat the local church, and God killed them, in the Church?
Well, noone there was a Catholic, and that "church" was in someone house........as those are your "early church"... = churches.

Wow.
Really!
I'm truly amazed!

If you knew church history you wouldn't make such silly statements.

Have you seen me post this ... <B><, that i sometimes sign as my "sig"..........see that fish. ???
Ive posted it for about 20 yrs on "christian forums".. including Christianforums.net
That FISH....symbolizes the "fishers of men" that is the "early Church"... or "The Way"......Its what they used as their symbol = the "Icthus"

Mysterious babbling.

Water baptism does not make anyone a Christian......if it did then all those Jews that John the Baptist baptized for "remission of sin", would be Christian.
They weren't.

Calm down Behold.
I said that JESUS told the Apostles to teach and baptize all nations.
§Did Jesus NOT say this?
Was He wrong in your OPINION?

Why are you replying to statements I've never even made??

Also, your Mark 16... says to "make Disciples."""
It does not say to make Christians., as there is no GOSPEL in Mark 16.....as the "repent and be water baptized".. is not The Gospel.
Listen , I can dunk an unbeliever 345 times, and i can say....>>"In Jesus, name"... or "Father, Son, Holy Spirit" and they come out of the water 345 times.. And after i said that,. this sinner....water baptized 345 times....,is stil not born again., is not forgiven, and is still going to Hell.

Wow. No gospel in Mark.
OK.
We'll have to advise theologians...l don't think they know this.

None of the Apostles were Catholics.
Mary was not a Catholic.
Just read a bible, and it'll show you that there were none.
A.) Noone in the NT is a Catholic.
The MaryCult decided that Peter was a Catholic......their first Pope, after he is dead.
Had they tried that trick when He was alive, he would have "cast them out".
See, the MaryCult has this fascination with giving people MaryCult TITLES after they die, that have nothing to do with the Bible.

Wow.
Yes. Ignorance of church history does bring one to make silly statements.

WHO said the §Apostles were Catholic?
Didn't you say they were Jewish?
Didn't I say WE ALL KNOW THIS?

You hate too much.
It's very unchristianly of you.

So, all this MaryCult nonsense, started with MaryCult Church Fathers........and those are not Apostles.

Yeah.
They were just taught by them...that's all.

Wonder WHO taught you the nonsense you teach.

 

[GodsGrace]

@Taken

Yes. §Still waiting on

John 15:2

I know it's not easy.
Give it a shot.

 

[GodsGrace]

Too bad you didn’t Verify…Perhaps because it doesn’t apply to you…nor for you to understand.

Yes. Men Are the Church.
1 Cor 3:
[17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Yes. The Gospel was preached IN synagogues, long before “a group of men calling themselves “catholic” hijacked Christs Church,” building their church on “Peter and Mary”, unbeknownst to them.

Acts 13:
[13] Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem.
[14] But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
[15] And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
[16] Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.




You are severely limited in Understanding… and make yourself look foolish, by name calling and snarking accusing rather than searching the Scriptures to Verify.

Straight off, I know by the Precise Language that verse is Expressly Speaking of a born again man.

What I know, And you do not, IS:
Every born again man, CAN receive Rewards “IF” they Glorify God Before other men…( ie. Produce fruits)…
“iF” a man Does Not, glorify God Before Other men…God takes away, does not Give Rewards He would have Given.

That verse has Nothing to do with Losing Salvation.

Looks like Jesus does not agree with you.

John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;

John 15.2 has EVERYTHING to do with losing salvation.
JESUS stated that a branch IN HIM....

To be IN JESUS is to be saved.
An unsaved person is NOT IN JESUS.


So, the saved person IN JESUS does NOT bear fruit.

Jesus states that the saved person that does not bear fruit will be TAKEN AWAY by God (the vine dresser in verse 1).

Taken away, in this case means:

John 15:6
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.


So, Jesus teaches that a saved person that does not bear fruit will be taken away....thrown away, like a branch...gathered and burned.

THAT Taken is a person that was SAVED,,,,did NOT bear fruit
and was thus TAKEN AWAY AND BURNED.

Jesus said:
THOSE WHO HAVE EARS...
LET THEM HEAR.

1 Cor 3:
[9] For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
[10] According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
[11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
[12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
[13] Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
[14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

[16] Know ye not that ye/( the born again) are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

What does going good witnessing have anything to do with losing one's salvation?
We do get desperate at times.

or

We have ourselves a real dilemma here.
Pure conflict in the New Testament.

Incorrect theology will always produce conflict within scripture.

 

[ProDeo]

Yes thats right but we come to him with confidence at his command to eat his body and drink his blood.

So you think (believe) because some priest decided to organize a Roman Catholic Eucharist on a specific date and time Jesus is obliged to show up at that date and time?

 

[Taken]

Looks like Jesus does not agree with you.

Your error.
I agree with Jesus.
You Agree with you.

John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;[/B]

A branch “IN” Him…
IS a man “IN” Christ.

A man IN Christ HAS the Means, power, authority, to Bear Fruit.

Bearing Fruit, means To Exalt God, before other men.

IF a man IN Christ does Not Bear Fruit…

God owes that man… no Debt.

A Debt is A Payment due for a service rendered.

A Man who is IN Christ…AND Exalts and Glorifies The Lord God before other men…
Has rendered a Service unto The Lord God.

God PAYS His Debt, “With Rewards”…
“iF”… a man IN Christ Glorifies God before other men.

“IF” a man IN Christ … Does Not Glorify The Lord God Before other men…
That man “IN” Christ…
Does NOT Lose his Salvation (as you wrongly claim)…
What that man “IN” Christ “loses” is “Rewards the man “could have received, but will not.”
God owes NO Debt to such man…
And a Reward from God is Not Given, That man, IN Christ.

John 15.2 has EVERYTHING to do with losing salvation.

No. They LOSE Rewards, Not Salvation, as you wrongly claim.

John 15:6
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

So, Jesus teaches that a saved person that does not bear fruit will be taken away....thrown away, like a branch...gathered and burned.

Your False Conclusion.
The “Person” is Not Taken Away.
The “Person” is not Burned.
Works…that do Not Glorify God ARE Burned!

THAT Taken is a person that was SAVED,,,,did NOT bear fruit
and was thus TAKEN AWAY AND BURNED.

False.

Jesus said:
THOSE WHO HAVE EARS...
LET THEM HEAR.

Exactly.
So open your ears.
Learn what the Words mean.
Stop changing a Person into Works.

What does going good witnessing have anything to do with losing one's salvation?

Who said it did? Oh…that would be you.
Why ask me, why you think what you do?

We have ourselves a real dilemma here.

No. The dilemma is your problem., not mine.

Pure conflict in the New Testament.

No. scripture is not in conflict.

Your conflict is Not knowing the difference Between Losing Salvation and Losing Rewards….
And Attempting to Blame Scripture or Other men.

 

[Muna]

Therefore stand firm brethern and hold fast to the traditions they you have been taught whether by word of mouth or by letter if ours. 2 Thes 2:15.

What specific traditions is Paul referring to here? Be specific and show it from scripture.

Which traditions were passed on by "word of mouth"? Be specific and show from scripture

He tells us in the verses what the tradition he is speaking of and when it was spoken in word (which ends up being written down for us in this very epistle itself)

2Thes 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught,(in person) whether by word, or our epistle.

Here it is speaking more about a patern of behavior (which was set forth for them) and having nothing to do with "the ringing of bells" sort of things

2 Thes 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

This is speaking of any brother that "walketh disorderly", and "not after the tradition" which was already received of them.

This has to do with following an example set by Paul and his companions (who sets themselves out as their example when he/they were actually with them) which they are not (now being away, See 2 Thes 3:10)

As he goes on to say

2 Thes 3:7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you

There it is. This is speaking of a walk, whether such a one "walketh orderly" (as did Paul) versus such a one that 'walketh disorderly" (as certain they ought to withdrawl themselves from).

So this here has to do with ones behavior, which is after the tradition they received of them, concerning an orderly walk (over a disorderly one)

Paul continues, getting more specific in the next verse

2 Thes 3:10 For even WHEN we were with you, **THIS** we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

What he commanded them in word (when he was actually with them) is now written in this epistle also (because he is now away from them writing this very epistle). See next verse

2 Thes 3:11 For "we hear" (being away from them now) that there are some which "walk among you" disorderly, "working not at all", but "are busybodies".

So again, these are those who are "walking disorderly" and "not after the tradition" they received of them when they were with them

And TO THEM that "ARE SUCH" (who are THE SAME walking disorderly among them) not after the tradition they received of Paul gives a command

2 Thes 3:12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that "with quietness they work, and eat their own bread."

And Paul ends it here with

2 Thes 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by "this epistle", note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

2 Thes 3:15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

This tradition is one after a manner of behavior, and what not to do. It pretty much sums up what to do if a brother is a leech (not working at all, eating others bread, and being busybodies) and these are they whom the church is instructed not have company with so he might feel ashamed, but dont treat him as an enemy.

That might not be the kind of thing you typically think of when you think "tradition". But what he told them in word (in person) he is (now) telling them the same in his epistle (as he refers back to the time he told them the same thing in person) and has written it down.

 

[Taken]

@Truly - yes.

Traditions…
“Not exclusive” for “Feasts Only”
Yes the Jews were given Traditions for Feasts, to Traditionally, Teach the Remembrances of “Special” Works God DID For Them.

Traditions … are also About Precepts
(ie. behaviors of men)

Examples:

Traditions …
Gods House IS a House of Prayer…
Yes.
Not a fashion show, Not a gossip fest, Not an Entertainment venue!! <- No.

Traditions …
Gods House IS Respectful …
Yes.
One Speaker… mouth speaking
All others..(women AND men) Close your One mouth, Open your Two ears.
Yes.

Traditions …
One Speaker … Speaking Gods Word.
Yes.
Sports, Gossip, Fashion, Entertainment…
Not a Tradition to invent, foster, promote.
No.

Tradition …
In the House of God, Parties, Eating, Games, Dancing, Drinking, Sleeping, Flaunt bare Skin, Flirting, Running around, Texting, etc.?
No.
Gods House IS a House of Prayer?
Yes.

Tradition …
Designated Time to Gather / Meet?
Yes.

Tradition …
Extending Invitation for others to attend ?
Yes.
Welcoming newcomers?
Yes.

Tradition …
Give a gratitude to the one who (who serves you) teaches you Gods Word.
Yes.
(Give a thank you, a chicken, a penny, a dinner invitation, an offering to clean Church, a blessing, etc.)
Yes.
(a contractual money amount?)
No.

Erect Statues in Gods House…
To bow down before, pray / talk to, kiss, decorate with trinkets, parade about?
No.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

@Taken

Yes. §Still waiting on

John 15:2

I know it's not easy.
Give it a shot.

You wait for what is already given you.
You want understanding, but are not prepared.
You change the Facts, then wonder WHY you do not understand.

 

[GodsGrace]

Your error.
I agree with Jesus.
You Agree with you.



A branch “IN” Him…
IS a man “IN” Christ.

A man IN Christ HAS the Means, power, authority, to Bear Fruit.

Bearing Fruit, means To Exalt God, before other men.

IF a man IN Christ does Not Bear Fruit…

God owes that man… no Debt.

A Debt is A Payment due for a service rendered.

A Man who is IN Christ…AND Exalts and Glorifies The Lord God before other men…
Has rendered a Service unto The Lord God.

God PAYS His Debt, “With Rewards”…
“iF”… a man IN Christ Glorifies God before other men.

“IF” a man IN Christ … Does Not Glorify The Lord God Before other men…
That man “IN” Christ…
Does NOT Lose his Salvation (as you wrongly claim)…
What that man “IN” Christ “loses” is “Rewards the man “could have received, but will not.”
God owes NO Debt to such man…
And a Reward from God is Not Given, That man, IN Christ.



No. They LOSE Rewards, Not Salvation, as you wrongly claim.

Re your last sentence....


Jesus came to teach us how to get "rewards"?
Please post scripture to support this idea.

Jesus came to teach us how to be SAVED.
There are rewards also awaiting us.....
but the NT is written so that we may be SAVED.

John 3.16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

We believe so as not to PERISH,
NOT
to receive rewards.

John 1:29
29The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Jesus came to take away the sins of the world,
NOT
for us to receive awards.

Romans 5.10
10For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.


We are saved by His life,
NOT
given rewards.


Paul was worried about being disqualified.
Disqualified means you are NO LONGER in the race.
You are THROWN OUT of the race.

Those disqualified DO NOT receive ANY reward.

1 Corinthians 9:26-27
26Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air;
27but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

 

[GodsGrace]

Your error.
I agree with Jesus.
You Agree with you.



A branch “IN” Him…
IS a man “IN” Christ.

A man IN Christ HAS the Means, power, authority, to Bear Fruit.

Bearing Fruit, means To Exalt God, before other men.

IF a man IN Christ does Not Bear Fruit…

God owes that man… no Debt.

A Debt is A Payment due for a service rendered.

A Man who is IN Christ…AND Exalts and Glorifies The Lord God before other men…
Has rendered a Service unto The Lord God.

God PAYS His Debt, “With Rewards”…
“iF”… a man IN Christ Glorifies God before other men.

“IF” a man IN Christ … Does Not Glorify The Lord God Before other men…
That man “IN” Christ…
Does NOT Lose his Salvation (as you wrongly claim)…
What that man “IN” Christ “loses” is “Rewards the man “could have received, but will not.”
God owes NO Debt to such man…
And a Reward from God is Not Given, That man, IN Christ.



No. They LOSE Rewards, Not Salvation, as you wrongly claim.








Your False Conclusion.
The “Person” is Not Taken Away.
The “Person” is not Burned.
Works…that do Not Glorify God ARE Burned!

The BRANCH IN CHRIST is a person.


The teaching of Jesus states that PERSONS that do not bear fruit are going to be burned....
PERSONS that do not bear fruit will be TAKEN AWAY, CUT OFF, SEVERED by God.

Try reading it again:

John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;


John 15:6
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned


If you believe Jesus is speaking about works...
you would be right.
BEARING FRUIT is DOING GOOD WORKS.


Those that DO NOT DO GOOD WORKS
will be cut off by God...taken away....severed from the Vine.

The vine gives LIFE
those that are severed, cut off, taken away, from the vine
NO LONGER HAVE LIFE.

 

[Taken]

Jesus came to teach us how to get "rewards"?
Please post scripture to support this idea.

I didn’t say that.
LOL… Why would I post a Scripture To Support YOUR Words?

Jesus came to teach us how to be SAVED.

So? Who said otherwise?

We believe so as not to PERISH,
NOT
to receive rewards.

So? Who said otherwise?

Jesus came to take away the sins of the world,
NOT
for us to receive awards.

So? Who said otherwise?

We are saved by His life,
NOT
given rewards.

What a load of utterly off point..
Rewards are For “a man” Glorifying God…

Why are you Blathering on about what Jesus did?

Don’t you know the difference between a “A mans acts” and “Jesus’ Acts?


Gaslighter!

 

[Taken]

The BRANCH IN CHRIST is a person.


The teaching of Jesus states that PERSONS that do not bear fruit are going to be burned....
PERSONS that do not bear fruit will be TAKEN AWAY, CUT OFF, SEVERED by God.

Try reading it again:

John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;


John 15:6
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned


If you believe Jesus is speaking about works...
you would be right.
BEARING FRUIT is DOING GOOD WORKS.


Those that DO NOT DO GOOD WORKS
will be cut off by God...taken away....severed from the Vine.

The vine gives LIFE
those that are severed, cut off, taken away, from the vine
NO LONGER HAVE LIFE.

The Saved person, that Does Not produce Fruit (good works)…. Doesn’t lose his Salvation.(as you claim)…

He loses the Reward, he could have had…
IF he did service Glorifying to God

You have the person Losing His Salvation and Becoming cast into the Fire and Burned…



The complete Opposite from Scriptural Truth!

Warning…

Not a mystery.

Not what you claim!

1 Cor 3[a]
[15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved;


2 John -1:
[8] Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.