Jesus is God

[marks]

then how can he or you believe what he wrote?

This is the heart of the matter. You impose your own ideas over his communication, you are just talking to yourself.

So, you are responding out of ignorance?

You are not hearing me. Do you want to?

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

This is the heart of the matter. You impose your own ideas over his communication, you are just talking to yourself.

Not so Marks.

If someone truly believes that this evil supernatural being has absolutely no power, how can it be reasonable for them to also suggest that people should defend themselves against it?

Notice how you have avoided to answer the issue?

Why?

The answer might be that you don’t fully agree with their premise either, yet you assume, based on your own experience, that you can correct someone who’s actually right in saying, “You don’t really believe that.” Because if the person truly did believe what they claimed, they wouldn’t be defending this.

 

[marks]

Not so Marks.

If someone truly believes that this evil supernatural being has absolutely no power, how can it be reasonable for them to also suggest that people should defend themselves against it?

Notice how you have avoided to answer the issue?

I'm not debating the point with you. I've said what I came to say. Receive it, reject it, whatever you like.

So you don't answer them, but to invalidate them. Ditto here. Take a clue.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

I'm not debating the point with you.

That’s the issue, Marks, I’m not sure you’re fully tuned in, but it sounds like we’ve come full circle. The point simply can’t be debated, it’s a non-falsifiable claim!

Maybe more experience is needed?

 

[Hiddenthings]

A shift in power.
The devil is now subject to Jesus and us His anointed warriors.

You are not able to believe this above for obvious reasons.

A non-falsifiable claim is a statement that cannot be proven true or false, and therefore can't be tested or debated logically.

Example: "Your invisible evil creature has no power, but you need to defend against it."

How can that view be held rationally? It can’t be considered a valid belief because it stands in direct opposition to itself.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Maybe chastise the Father also.
It was the Father that called Him God in Hebrews 1, way before anyone here.

Or maybe correct Isaiah for Calling JESUS the "everlasting Father"

Isiaiah did not such thing. Look up councilor in the BLB you find the word is a participle. He either consults or councils the everlasting father. The permanent father is the God of the final messiah.

 

[David Lamb]

Isiaiah did not such thing. Look up councilor in the BLB you find the word is a participle. He either consults or councils the everlasting father. The permanent father is the God of the final messiah.

Yet Jesus Himself said the He and His Father are one. Even His enemies knew that He claimed equality with God. How could He be equal to God, without being God? Besides, John opens his gospel with these words:

“1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

As for Child in Isaiah 9:6 counselling the Father, that doesn't seem to fit, because between "Counsellor" and "Everlasting Father" comes "Mighty God":

For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Yet Jesus Himself said the He and His Father are one.

And he prayed also that the Saints would also be one.

Do you understand David how this can be said of both Jesus and those in him?

I hope so for your sake.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Isiaiah did not such thing. Look up councilor in the BLB you find the word is a participle. He either consults or councils the everlasting father. The permanent father is the God of the final messiah.

Re read it.
"HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED...."
I know it is damaging to watchtower.
I know you need it modified.

 

[rebuilder 454]

And he prayed also that the Saints would also be one.

Do you understand David how this can be said of both Jesus and those in him?

I hope so for your sake.

Yes
You just supported tge trinity.
Thanks

 

[rebuilder 454]

You are not able to believe this above for obvious reasons.

A non-falsifiable claim is a statement that cannot be proven true or false, and therefore can't be tested or debated logically.

Example: "Your invisible evil creature has no power, but you need to defend against it."

How can that view be held rationally? It can’t be considered a valid belief because it stands in direct opposition to itself.

At Adam the world and it's dominion went from Adam to satan.
Jesus defeated satan.

Basic kinder bible 101

 

[rebuilder 454]

The better question is how did the Word become Christ?

Not the root of the issue.
The fact is that "HE BECAME" whether you believe it or understand it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I'm still puzzled..
When Jesus asked the disciples who they thought he was, Simon Peter answered-
“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.' Jesus replied “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

So if Jesus was God himself, why didn't he say to Peter -"You're wrong, I'm not God's son, I AM God".

Trinitarians are both monotheistic and plurality of God's three persons.

We ourselves can not unpack every detail.
But we do not seek to put God in a one dimensional box.

In revelation, Jesus is called a lion and a lamb. Practically in the same sentence. Now it's not up to me to say "well, which one do I cross out because he can't be both?

 

[rebuilder 454]

it makes no sense that Jews have never had a trinity and Jesus was a practicing Jew.

the doctrine has so many problems

Exactly.
To the human mind it is unbelievable.
So is leprosy healed, walking on water, power to calm a storm, God offering his Son for convicts and murderers, a virgin birth, over 100 prophecies fulfilled in Jesus short life, Jesus walking through walls, Phillips translation to another location, a coin said to be in a random fish that was,.....and soforth.

For sure.
God don't fit in a human box

 

[MonoBiblical]

“And the Word became flesh

Yes, a worder became flesh. Nothing supernatural there except a virgin birth.

For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful one that consults the Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

I said the counselor is a participle. You ignored looking it up in the Blue Letter Bible.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Re read it.
"HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED...."
I know it is damaging to watchtower.
I know you need it modified.

I know you don't understand what a participle is, especially in an ancient language. I know you didn't analyze it in the Blue Letter Bible.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Isiaiah did not such thing. Look up councilor in the BLB you find the word is a participle. He either consults or councils the everlasting father. The permanent father is the God of the final messiah.

You are stuck.
God wrote the bible trough men
GOD CALLED Jesus all those things

Yes...you do need it modified.
I totally understand.

 

[MonoBiblical]

You are stuck.
God wrote the bible trough men
GOD CALLED Jesus all those things

Yes...you do need it modified.
I totally understand.

How would you know? You don't know Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek.

 

[MonoBiblical]

@rebuilder 454
Here's a hint.

Counsellor,
h3289

Inflected:	יוֹעֵץ
Root:	יָעַץ
Strong's:	H3289
English:	Counsellor,
Language:	Hebrew
Code:	H Vqrmsa

Vqrmsa

Word:	יוֹעֵץ
Speech:	Verb
Stem:	Qal
Type:	Participle Active
Gender:	Masculine
Number:	Singular
State:	Absolute
Long:	Hebrew Verb: Qal Participle Active Masculine Singular Absolute

 

[MonoBiblical]

and the Word was God.

Actually, it says "... and God, it was." The worder was the God name.