JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

[Ronald Nolette]

My point exactly -- It is that you can not understand what he said about him being of the God who sent him to show you the way to his God? He was quite clear in that but obviously you h ave a very hard time understanding who he said he was in the Father.

YOu should stop trying to read my mind and soul. NOt only is it firbidden but you suck at it.

Gary Mac. Jesus is God the Son! Equal in divinity as His father, eternal as His Father (though not the body) and suservient to His father in authority. To no tbelieve that is to question whether you have a saving relationship with Jesus.

 

[Gary Mac]

Thomas was speaking directly to Jesus! Jesus is God!

Amen about who God is.

 

[Gary Mac]

YOu should stop trying to read my mind and soul. NOt only is it firbidden but you suck at it.

Read your mind? You are very clear what is in your mind and openly declare what it in your mind. It isnt guess work at all. All one has to do is read who you are.

Gary Mac. Jesus is God the Son!

All from what I read he was son of God Gods son. Jesus being God is his own son?

Equal in divinity as His father, eternal as His Father (though not the body) and suservient to His father in authority.

Now that is the truth. And all who has that same divinity at work in us Who was in Christ Jesus are His servants to our Father who is God. Even Jesus obeyed God.

To no tbelieve that is to question whether you have a saving relationship with Jesus.

It is only a question if you do not have the same salvation from God Himself as Jesus received from God Himself in Matt 3:16. If you have not then that raises questions doesnt it?

It is a completely different matter if you do not believe Matt 3:16 in what it says that God actually did come to Jesus by the Spirit that He is and opened who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus by the Spirit He is, renewing Jesus mind with a knowledge he had not before Matt 3:16, for if he did have all knowledge then Matt 3:16 would not have even been written at all would it?

But by identification with the same God who came to me and who came to Jesus, Gods salvation is that same renewing of mind, born again of God Himself.

You havent met the same God as Jesus did have you? Yet you claim to be born again without the same as Jesus received from God with that same renewing of mind to be born again of God Himself and then actually accuse Jesus of being God and came to himself and opened up all of heaven in himself? Tell us how that works?

 

[Jack]

Amen about who God is.

Thomas called Jesus "God". Learn to read.

 

[Gary Mac]

Thomas called Jesus "God". Learn to read.

I havent read where Thomas called Jesus God. What I read is Jesus said Spirit that God is doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me. Thomas replied. And you need to learn to read the AND between Lord AND God. There is a separation there. I have the same Lord Jesus and the same God who sent him . Which Jesus is my lord that I followed to my God and his God. Jesus is Lord, God is the Spirit of. Jesus was sent by his God as teacher of his God Who was Lord over him that Jesus obeyed. Shall I re post what Jesus said about his Lord God again to you?

 

[Jack]

I havent read where Thomas called Jesus God.

You've never even read the JW Bible???

NWT John 20 Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”

What I read is Jesus said Spirit that God is doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me. Thomas replied. You need to learn to read and the the AND between Lord AND God. I have the same Lord Jesus and the same God who sent him . Which Jesus is my lord that I followed to my God and his God. Jesus is Lord, God is the Spirit of. Jesus was sent by his God as teacher of his God Who was Lord over him that Jesus obeyed. Shall I re post what Jesus said about his Lord God again to you?

From the JW Bible: Peter said to Jesus, "Lord you know ALL things"!

ONLY God knows all things! Do you even have a Bible?

 

[Gary Mac]

You've never even read the JW Bible??

No why do you ask? No need to when God Himself gives me His truths. Most act as if God isnt able to communicate with man and they have a better way than God Himself can give them.

NWT John 20 Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”

Yes I know, I said the same thing when I realized that God is a Spirit as Jesus said and doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me. My exact words were and I remember them well,I said My Lord and my God how did I miss seeing the Spirit that you are all these years. I listen to man instead of what Jesus said about it instead.

BTW what is NWT? Another bible edited by mans own beliefs?

From the JW Bible: Peter said to Jesus, "Lord you know ALL things"!

From Gods own words all His heaven is open in us to know all things that He is or is not in mans own beliefs for a god.

ONLY God knows all things! Do you even have a Bible?

And only God Himself can open it all in you, and Jesus was not the exception at all proven in Matt 3:16 he was the rule for us all to receive it all in ourselves.

All that you are doing is by choice not to receive the knowledge that only God Himself can put with you.

Same mind of God is in me who was in Christ Jesus -- DO you have a bible? Mine says to be perfect even as my father in heaven is perfect with is th truth I am, noting is hidden that was hidden, all the little books were opened, walk as He walks in His same disposition of mind, Spirit.

I dont know what bible you read but what ever it is has lead you astray.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

All from what I read he was son of God Gods son. Jesus being God is his own son?

Now you sound like a Jehovahs Witness

Now that is the truth. And all who has that same divinity at work in us Who was in Christ Jesus are His servants to our Father who is God. Even Jesus obeyed God.

Jesus is Divine on His own and not infused with divinity by His Father

It is only a question if you do not have the same salvation from God Himself as Jesus received from God Himself in Matt 3:16. If you have not then that raises questions doesnt it?

Jesus did not need salvation.

It is a completely different matter if you do not believe Matt 3:16 in what it says that God actually did come to Jesus by the Spirit that He is and opened who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus by the Spirit He is, renewing Jesus mind with a knowledge he had not before Matt 3:16, for if he did have all knowledge then Matt 3:16 would not have even been written at all would it?

Wrong. Jesus knew He was god and knew His mission before the Soirit alighted on HIm

 

[Gary Mac]

Now you sound like a Jehovahs Witness

I do? I dont have a clue what they believe and really do not care , but if they know that Jesus was Gods child His son and a son of God themselves as Jesus was, their identity is with the same God as Jesus identity was of and mine is. You are supposed to be identified with the same Spirit of God be in you who was in Christ Jesus, anointed of the same One.

Jesus is Divine on His own

Now that is not the truth at all. Here is the proof from Jesus himself.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.


John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.


John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you


John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.


John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.


John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

and not infused with divinity by His Father

Not to you who try and control who Jesus said he was in God instead of listening to Jesus himself for who he said that he was in God.

Jesus did not need salvation.

Then why was Matt 3:16 written and Jesus was saved from the laws of the Jews himself by GHod Himself?

Why is Matt 3:16 a lie for you, And why is what Jesus said about who he was in the father a lie for you -- will you man up and tell us plainly?

Wrong. Jesus knew He was god and knew His mission before the Soirit alighted on HIm

I see so Jesus being about 30 years old when God came to that man and opened up in him who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus and that was not necessary and shouldn't have even been written, and Jesus already had all that information? LOL,

Man who ever you are listening to has you duped into believing this nonsense and has you duped into believing Jesus lied. Because obviously to you Jesus did lie to you in the quotes of him about his God above. That is just unreal. You read what Jesus said then to his own face call him a liar telling him NO, God did not come to you and open all of His heaven in you.

Again your own ideas to dictate to Jesus that he is all wrong is just epic.

 

[Jack]

No why do you ask?

You've never even read the Bible and you're attacking the Bible.

No need to when God Himself gives me His truths. Most act as if God isnt able to communicate with man and they have a better way than God Himself can give them.

You hear voices? So you don't need to read the Bible!

Yes I know, I said the same thing when I realized that God is a Spirit as Jesus said and doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me. My exact words were and I remember them well,I said My Lord and my God how did I miss seeing the Spirit that you are all these years. I listen to man instead of what Jesus said about it instead.

You said you never read the Bible! Did you hear a voice?

BTW what is NWT? Another bible edited by mans own beliefs?

From Gods own words all His heaven is open in us to know all things that He is or is not in mans own beliefs for a god.

And only God Himself can open it all in you, and Jesus was not the exception at all proven in Matt 3:16 he was the rule for us all to receive it all in ourselves.

All that you are doing is by choice not to receive the knowledge that only God Himself can put with you.

Same mind of God is in me who was in Christ Jesus -- DO you have a bible? Mine says to be perfect even as my father in heaven is perfect with is th truth I am, noting is hidden that was hidden, all the little books were opened, walk as He walks in His same disposition of mind, Spirit.

I dont know what bible you read but what ever it is has lead you astray.

Your anti Bible opinions do not overrule the Christian Bible!

 

[Gary Mac]

You've never even read the Bible and you're attacking the Bible.

You hear voices? So you don't need to read the Bible!

You said you never read the Bible! Did you hear a voice?

Your anti Bible opinions do not overrule the Christian Bible!

Well as long as I copy and paste from it in who Jesus said he was in God and even prayed to his God that I have the same in me as he had in himself from God Himself in John 17and is only opinions, then It really isnt my opinion at all is it, it is Jesus opinions isnt it? But I do have the same opinion about it as Jesus had. Which really isnt an opinion at all but is who we are in the Father and live it. Something that you might try and consider of Jesus opinions in yourself. LOL

 

[Jack]

Well as long as I copy and paste from it in who Jesus said he was in God and even prayed to his God that I have the same in me as he had in himself from God Himself in John 17and is only opinions, then It really isnt my opinion at all is it, it is Jesus opinions isnt it? But I do have the same opinion about it as Jesus had. Which really isnt an opinion at all but is who we are in the Father and live it. Something that you might try and consider of Jesus opinions in yourself. LOL

Do you hear voices? You said you never read the Bible and then you try to cite the Bible!

 

[Gary Mac]

Do you hear voices? You said you never read the Bible and then you try to cite the Bible!

Copy and past where I said that I never read the Bible, LOL, I read it every day. I quote it to you nearly every day. What is wrong with you? Your hatred for me who is of Christ, anointed of God as you are supposed to be as well, shines.

But I did say the only reason that I do read it is because it is law quoted to you for who you are supposed to be in the Father as Jesus was in the Father of it.

As for me these lawson it are fulfilled, It is who I became an instruction manual for how to. But after those instructions produced perfection in me as my Father in heaven is perfect, I do not need to read it, only as a witness to use for people as yourself that you also but become perfect in it as Jesus did and I did and all did who has met the One the book is about.

The book is all about you and who are you in it, and I just dont see your name written in it for you have other ideas trying to pout together your own perfect god of flesh to be in your own insigne of.

Do you even read it? Doesnt sound like it by telling Jesus that he was your god instead of who Jesus said he was in His God that he called Father and that you should be His child just as Jesus was His child. You dont have a clue what the Bible is for or about, it is all about you and who are you, and you are very clear in who you are in it, that of man in carnality.

You asked if I hear voices. YesI do indeed, my wife, my daughter, brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors, do you not hear voices? is that why you ask such a dumb question?

 

[Jack]

Copy and past where I said that I never read the Bible, LOL, I read it every day. I quote it to you nearly every day. What is wrong with you? Your hatred for me who is of Christ, anointed of God as you are supposed to be as well, shines.

But I did say the only reason that I do read it is because it is law quoted to you for who you are supposed to be in the Father as Jesus was in the Father of it.

As for me these lawson it are fulfilled, It is who I became an instruction manual for how to. But after those instructions produced perfection in me as my Father in heaven is perfect, I do not need to read it, only as a witness to use for people as yourself that you also but become perfect in it as Jesus did and I did and all did who has met the One the book is about.

The book is all about you and who are you in it, and I just dont see your name written in it for you have other ideas trying to pout together your own perfect god of flesh to be in your own insigne of.

Do you even read it? Doesnt sound like it by telling Jesus that he was your god instead of who Jesus said he was in His God that he called Father and that you should be His child just as Jesus was His child. You dont have a clue what the Bible is for or about, it is all about you and who are you, and you are very clear in who you are in it, that of man in carnality.

Post 327 I asked "You've never even read the Bible? You replied, "No why do you ask".

And you also said you reject MOST of the Christian Bible. Remember?

 

[Gary Mac]

Post 327 I asked "You've never even read the Bible? You replied, "No why do you ask".

And you also said you reject MOST of the Christian Bible. Remember?

You asked if I had read the JW bible, I said no. I read the KJV, but study from the NAS, for it is much closer to the Greek interpretations than the KJV, but I read the KJV for I like the poetic writings in it and most read it so that is what I quote from.

If the JWs has their own bible no I have not read it, but I have read and studied The Septuagint Verson, a translation of the old Testament Hebrew into Greek which was made at Alexandra about 285 BC.

The Samaritan Pentateuch, The whole bible but not sure the date but 1st or 2nd Century translated into the common language from certain parts of Syria.

The Vulgate,the whole bible translated translated into Latin by Jerome at Bethlehem about 400 AD, and for 1000 years was the standard bible in the Catholic Church. and during the dark ages was locked up in Latin and not available for the general population to understand so that the Catholics could tell the people what they wanted the Bible to say without questing their own doctrines.

And then we go to the English versions.

The Wycliffe, a scholar and bible student who translated the whole bible into English starting in about 1380.

William Tyndale was the next to interpret it into English, a Greek scholar, but Persecution made it impossible for him to do his work in England so he crossed over the continent to do his work and issued in 1525. and the Pentateuch in 1530.

Miles Coverdale was a friend of Tyndale, did a bible dedicated to Henery the VIII om 1535. He used the Latin and Tyndales bible to compile his version.

Matthews Bible, 1537, credited ti a man named John Rogers. a friend of Tyndales.

The Great Bible 1539, based upon Matthews, Coverdale, and Tyndal's bibles.

The Geneva Bile 1500,

The Bishops bible 1508

The Douay A Roman Catholic version. 1582.

The King James, made by 47 scholars in 1611 authorized by King James 1 of England The Bishops bible was the bases of the new version But the Hebrew and Greek were also studied for it along with other English bibles.

The revised version 1881 -1884 Made by English and American scholars, and a little different from all there English bible it reaches down into the most ancient copies of original scriptures.

The American Standard version, 1900 1901, incorporates into the text the preferred readings of the American members of the Revision committee of 1881-5

So you see it has been edited over and over and over again and man decided what they want into it as canon.

And so you see I really have read the Bible studied it for many years, taught it, and I have read others books such as Enoch, 4th 5th and 6th Peter, that theologically were not entered into canon and there was a song argument Amon scholars that Peter didnt even write them.

So yes I have read it a little bit LOL. These are just some notes that I made in study and used to teach many years ago.

Tell me of your studies, I would like to know how you became the authority of it as you claim?

 

[Jack]

You asked if I had read the JW bible, I said no. I read the KJV, but study from the NAS, for it is much closer to the Greek interpretations than the KJV, but I read the KJV for I like the poetic writings in it and most read it so that is what I quote from.

If the JWs has their own bible no I have not read it, but I have read and studied The Septuagint Verson, a translation of the old Testament Hebrew into Greek which was made at Alexandra about 285 BC.

The Samaritan Pentateuch, The whole bible but not sure the date but 1st or 2nd Century translated into the common language from certain parts of Syria.

The Vulgate,the whole bible translated translated into Latin by Jerome at Bethlehem about 400 AD, and for 1000 years was the standard bible in the Catholic Church. and during the dark ages was locked up in Latin and not available for the general population to understand so that the Catholics could tell the people what they wanted the Bible to say without questing their own doctrines.

And then we go to the English versions.

The Wycliffe, a scholar and bible student who translated the whole bible into English starting in about 1380.

William Tyndale was the next to interpret it into English, a Greek scholar, but Persecution made it impossible for him to do his work in England so he crossed over the continent to do his work and issued in 1525. and the Pentateuch in 1530.

Miles Coverdale was a friend of Tyndale, did a bible dedicated to Henery the VIII om 1535. He used the Latin and Tyndales bible to compile his version.

Matthews Bible, 1537, credited ti a man named John Rogers. a friend of Tyndales.

The Great Bible 1539, based upon Matthews, Coverdale, and Tyndal's bibles.

The Geneva Bile 1500,

The Bishops bible 1508

The Douay A Roman Catholic version. 1582.

The King James, made by 47 scholars in 1611 authorized by King James 1 of England The Bishops bible was the bases of the new version But the Hebrew and Greek were also studied for it along with other English bibles.

The revised version 1881 -1884 Made by English and American scholars, and a little different from all there English bible it reaches down into the most ancient copies of original scriptures.

The American Standard version, 1900 1901, incorporates into the text the preferred readings of the American members of the Revision committee of 1881-5

So you see it has been edited over and over and over again and man decided what they want into it as canon.

And so you see I really have read the Bible studied it for many years, taught it, and I have read others books such as Enoch, 4th 5th and 6th Peter, that theologically were not entered into canon and there was a song argument Amon scholars that Peter didnt even write them.

So yes I have read it a little bit LOL. These are just some notes that I made in study and used to teach many years ago.

Tell me of your studies, I would like to know how you became the authority of it as you claim?

I quoted YOU!

 

[Gary Mac]

I quoted YOU!

I quoted YOU!

Good then you would have quoted that I said no I never have read a JW bible.

And I am eager to hear of your studies since you say you are the authority of it. I have told you what I have read, now you can tell me what you have read of it!

 

[Jack]

Good then you would have quoted that I said no I never have read a JW bible.

And I am eager to hear of your studies since you say you are the authority of it. I have told you what I have read, now you can tell me what you have read of it!

"Post 327 I asked "You've never even read the Bible? You replied, "No why do you ask".

And you also said you reject MOST of the Christian Bible. Remember?

 

[Gary Mac]

"Post 327 I asked "You've never even read the Bible? You replied, "No why do you ask".

And you also said you reject MOST of the Christian Bible. Remember?

Look, you asked if I had read a JW bible. My reply was no. Now at least try and use a little maturity and any leas try and comprehend that if they have their own bible, no I have not read it. Now use a little common sense or at least try. If they use the KJV, the NIV, The NAS, Good news for modern man, or some other common bible, then yes I have read it.

You harp on stuff that is childish, common among religious minds trying to look noble toward man and themselves, and a waste of your time and mine.

And I am still waiting to hear of your own expertise of your in-depth studies of how our bibles came about sense you are the scholar expert of it.

 

[Jack]

Look, you asked if I had read a JW bible. My reply was no. Now at least try and use a little maturity and any leas try and comprehend that if they have their own bible, no I have not read it. Now use a little common sense or at least try. If they use the KJV, the NIV, The NAS, Good news for modern man, or some other common bible, then yes I have read it.

You harp on stuff that is childish, common among religious minds trying to look noble toward man and themselves, and a waste of your time and mine.

And I am still waiting to hear of your own expertise of your in-depth studies of how our bibles came about sense you are the scholar expert of it.

You admitted you reject MOST of the Christian Bible.

Is Jesus the one true living God?

You just called Jesus she! Just a typo, hope you understand? What have I edited? That Jesus said he was God. Do you know what the Bible says about "All LIARS"? Yes. Please do. I don't know how to "past". I see so I have to completely spell it out for your understanding. Most people...

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