SABBATH KEEPING

[Soyeong]

We become one new man where there is neither Jew or Gentile..........this says nothing of Gentiles keeping the law and in fact Galatians admonishes against it

One new man that should walk in God's way, not reject it. Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey God's law by word and by example and while Gentiles do not need to become Jews in order to become his follower, Gentiles can't follow him by refusing to follow what he taught.

1 Peter is written to the believing remnant of Israel.......we are not included as a chosen people, a holy nation, a priesthood

In 1 Peter 2:9-10, it is clearly speaking about Gentiles being included. The God of Israel has given instructions for how to know, love, glorify, believe in, and testify about Him by walking in His way, so those who want to do those things should follow His instructions for how to do them regardless of whether they are a Jew or a Gentile.

where does Paul say we partake of the new covenant

1 Corinthians 11:25

[Deu 5:2 KJV] 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

God made covenant with Israel only which included the sabbath

Israel was given the role of being a light and a blessing to the nations (Deuteronomy 4:5-8). Again, in Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles were at one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and the covenants of promise, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or aliens, but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the household of God.

[Act 18:4 KJV] 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Paul preached Christ in the synagogue

Indeed, Paul was continuing to keep the Sabbath holy in obedience to God in accordance with the example that Jesus set for us to follow and while he was doing that he was preaching Christ.

Israel only will get the new covenant and a new heart to keep the law

In Acts 15:6-7 they said that Gentiles had heard and received the Gospel message, namely in Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the the message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is, so Gentiles were repenting and living in obedience to God's law in accordance with the Gospel of the Kingdom. Likewise, in Acts 15:8-9, Gentiles had received the Spirit and God had cleansed their hearts, which is in accordance with the Spirit leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27). In Acts 15:10-18, they quoted prophecies about about the inclusion of Gentiles into the restoration of Israel.

A verse for this please

Again, Ephesians 2:12-19.

 

[Doug]

One new man that should walk in God's way, not reject it. Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey God's law by word and by example and while Gentiles do not need to become Jews in order to become his follower, Gentiles can't follow him by refusing to follow what he taught.

We are to follow Paul as he follows Christ.......we can learn from all scripture, but we need to know who to follow

[1Co 4:16 KJV] 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.
[Eph 5:1 KJV] 1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
[Phl 3:17 KJV] 17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
[1Th 1:6 KJV] 6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:

 

[Doug]

In 1 Peter 2:9-10, it is clearly speaking about Gentiles being included. The God of Israel has given instructions for how to know, love, glorify, believe in, and testify about Him by walking in His way, so those who want to do those things should follow His instructions for how to do them regardless of whether they are a Jew or a Gentile.

Lets look at 1 Peter 2:9

A CHOSEN GENERATION

[Deu 10:15 KJV] 15 Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, [even] you above all people, as [it is] this day.
[Isa 44:1 KJV] 1 Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD

[Exo 19:5-6 KJV] 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
[Isa 61:6 KJV] 6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

A HOLY NATION

[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

All pertain only to Israel

 

[Doug]

1 Corinthians 11:25

KJV says testament not covenant..................[1Co 11:25 KJV] 25 After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.

There is controversy over using covenant and testament interchangeably but I think they are related but not the same.......we benefit from his testament not covenant.......only Israel was given covenant

 

[Doug]

Gentiles were repenting and living in obedience to God's law

In Acts 15 they determined not to burden Gentiles with the law only a few stipulations

 

[Doug]

Again, Ephesians 2:12-19.

nothing here that says Gentiles were under the law

 

[rstrats]

In Acts 15 they determined not to burden Gentiles with the law only a few stipulations

Correct, not to burden them with having to keep from having other gods, and from taking the Lord's name in vain, and having to keep from dishonoring one's parents, and from having to keep from murdering people, and from having to keep from stealing, and from having to keep from bearing false witness, and from having to keep from coveting. Oh, and from having to keep the Sabbath.

 

[Doug]

Correct, not to burden them with having to keep from having other gods, and from taking the Lord's name in vain, and having to keep from dishonoring one's parents, and from having to keep from murdering people, and from having to keep from stealing, and from having to keep from bearing false witness, and from having to keep from coveting. Oh, and from having to keep the Sabbath.

[Rom 2:14-15 KJV] 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

The Gentiles were not given the law and should not be burdened to keep which Israel could not keep........the Gentiles were however given conscience to know what is right

 

[Hobie]

Read Gods Word...
Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them...

 

[Doug]

Read Gods Word...
Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them...

Not sure what you want me to see by giving this verse............God will cause Israel to keep the law by the new covenant which would include the sabbath

 

[LoveYeshua]

It seems to me some people don't understand the purpose of the sabbath. Didn't the Lord say we needed a day of rest each week?

they do not want to understand, they prefer the tradition of Men that they follow, the true sabbath God ordained is the last day of the week. it is simple to follow, just to honour GOD, and reserve the day for him and not do do what pleases us it is a day reserved for GOD and for us to rest.

They do not want to change, it would be to admit he church they belong to is wrong. they like to find all sorts of excuses like, "it is for Israel only" which if false!

 

[Brakelite]

We become one new man where there is neither Jew or Gentile..........this says nothing of Gentiles keeping the law and in fact Galatians admonishes against it

Actually, no, it doesn't. It advises that no-one ought to think they are earning justification through their obedience. It is not saying they ought not obey.

 

[Doug]

Actually, no, it doesn't. It advises that no-one ought to think they are earning justification through their obedience. It is not saying they ought not obey.

You are right but Galatians also spoke of Gentiles not being compelled to keep the law

[Gal 2:3 KJV] 3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

[Gal 4:9 KJV] 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

[Gal 4:21 KJV] 21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

[Gal 5:13 KJV] 13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

 

[Brakelite]

You are right but Galatians also spoke of Gentiles not being compelled to keep the law

[Gal 2:3 KJV] 3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

[Gal 4:9 KJV] 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

[Gal 4:21 KJV] 21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

[Gal 5:13 KJV] 13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

Compelled to be circumcised is one thing. And yes, there was much discussion, debate, and controversy over that particular very important tradition of Israel. It was extremely difficult for the Hebrew people to get around to a different mindset and to understand that circumcisions was no longer necessary, and that part of the Jewish heritage no longer applicable to the converted Christians. And that controversy and debate continued for centuries, and is a major theme in the book of Acts and many of them letters of the NT.
In fact, being compelled to do anything is something no Christian ought to impose upon another. Nevertheless, obedience is compulsory. Who ever could suggest that obeying one's Creator is no longer a valid Christian virtue? The wisdom is in discerning what is to be obeyed and what isn't.
With that said, have you ever wondered why there was not a hint of controversy, debate, or discussion over the supposed change of the Sabbath? Not from the Jews anyway. The controversy raised is persecuting head in later centuries with Sunday keepers persecuting Sabbath keepers, beginning with pagan Rome against unconverted Jews, then papal Rome against Sabbath keeping Christians, even to the point of church councils pronouncing an anathema against them.

 

[Doug]

With that said, have you ever wondered why there was not a hint of controversy, debate, or discussion over the supposed change of the Sabbath?

I dont see where the sabbath was changed for the Jews.

[Act 17:2 KJV] 2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Paul reasoned with the Jews on sabbath days

[Act 21:21 KJV] 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise [their] children, neither to walk after the customs.

Paul was falsely accused of teaching the Jews not to keep the law, which would include the sabbath.

[Rom 14:5 KJV] 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Paul never commanded to keep the sabbath, but he did not rebuke those who did. Many of the believing Jews still kept the law.

 

[Brakelite]

I dont see where the sabbath was changed for the Jews.

[Act 17:2 KJV] 2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Paul reasoned with the Jews on sabbath days

[Act 21:21 KJV] 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise [their] children, neither to walk after the customs.

Paul was falsely accused of teaching the Jews not to keep the law, which would include the sabbath.

[Rom 14:5 KJV] 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Paul never commanded to keep the sabbath, but he did not rebuke those who did. Many of the believing Jews still kept the law.

Paul didn't have to command anyone to keep the Sabbath. Sabbath observance by Israel had been practised since time immemorial, and the early church simply carried on that practise, having absolutely no directive from either the Lord Himself or the apostles that there was any change.

 

[Doug]

Paul didn't have to command anyone to keep the Sabbath.

He would for the Gentiles. The Gentiles werent given the covenant. The Gentiles and the Jews made up the body of Christ and Paul did not command either of them to keep the sabbath

 

[Jay Ross]

He would for the Gentiles. The Gentiles weren't given the covenant. The Gentiles and the Jews made up the body of Christ and Paul did not command either of them to keep the sabbath

Doug, the Salvation Covenant has always been available to everybody, from the very beginning of time when Adam was created.

 

[Brakelite]

He would for the Gentiles. The Gentiles werent given the covenant. The Gentiles and the Jews made up the body of Christ and Paul did not command either of them to keep the sabbath

Read Acts 13:42-48. Here was the perfect opportunity for Paul to teach the Gentiles your take on what day is the Sabbath... He didn't. He agreed to meet them, not the next day the first day of the week, but the next Sabbath. Paul, the Jews, and the Gentiles knew precisely what day the Sabbath is, and they all, without exception, honoured that day. No commands from anyone, or teaching from anyone, that from the time of the resurrection Christians were to meet on Sundays. Nothing. Anywhere. The only "thus sayeth the Lord" they trusted in was that which they had obeyed since creation, and which Jesus Himself affirmed when claiming Himself as Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[Doug]

Read Acts 13:42-48. Here was the perfect opportunity for Paul to teach the Gentiles your take on what day is the Sabbath... He didn't. He agreed to meet them, not the next day the first day of the week, but the next Sabbath. Paul, the Jews, and the Gentiles knew precisely what day the Sabbath is, and they all, without exception, honoured that day. No commands from anyone, or teaching from anyone, that from the time of the resurrection Christians were to meet on Sundays. Nothing. Anywhere. The only "thus sayeth the Lord" they trusted in was that which they had obeyed since creation, and which Jesus Himself affirmed when claiming Himself as Lord of the Sabbath.

The Gentiles came on the sabbath to hear Paul because Paul reasoned with the Jews in the synagogue on the sabbath