WHAT DID PAUL MEAN IN SAYING TO KEEP THE ORDINANCES?

[Doug]

[1Corinthians 11:2 KJV] 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you.

Paul was not saying that the saints had to keep the ordinances of water baptism. the Lord's supper, or any other sacraments.

Paul was saying to keep his teachings and instructions.

 

[complete]

[1Corinthians 11:2 KJV] 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you.

Paul was not saying that the saints had to keep the ordinances of water baptism. the Lord's supper, or any other sacraments.

Paul was saying to keep his teachings and instructions.

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
Now I praise you, brethren,
that ye remember me in all things,
and keep (hold fast) the ordinances (traditions),
as I delivered them to you.'
(1Co 11:1-2)

Hello @Doug,

Yes, Paul praises the Corinthian believers for 'remembering' Paul, not only what he said, but what he did. He so lived as to be an example to them in word and deed. John did the same.

'Hereby perceive we the love of God,
because He laid down His life for us:
and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need,
and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him,
how dwelleth the love of God in him?
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue;
but in deed and in truth.
And hereby we know that we are of the truth,
and shall assure our hearts before Him.'
(1Jn 3:16-19)

* I ask myself if my life would bear the same scrutiny?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Davy]

Good grief, you mean the 'traditions' Paul mentioned DID NOT include water baptism and communion with Christ?

YES, the 'traditions' Paul mentioned to keep DO INCLUDE water baptism and taking The Lord's Supper! Those are two main ordinances that ALL... Christians are held to.

But... I have noticed today that 'some' churches (which I call beth-avens, or houses of vanity), claim those in Christ have no need of repentance anymore, nor keeping The Lord's Supper, communion. Those are NOT Christian Churches, they are CULTS, beth-avens, houses of vanity.

 

[Doug]

Good grief, you mean the 'traditions' Paul mentioned DID NOT include water baptism and communion with Christ?

YES, the 'traditions' Paul mentioned to keep DO INCLUDE water baptism and taking The Lord's Supper! Those are two main ordinances that ALL... Christians are held to.

But... I have noticed today that 'some' churches (which I call beth-avens, or houses of vanity), claim those in Christ have no need of repentance anymore, nor keeping The Lord's Supper, communion. Those are NOT Christian Churches, they are CULTS, beth-avens, houses of vanity.

Then show me the verses where Paul commands water baptism and commands keeping the Lord's supper

 

[Davy]

Then show me the verses where Paul commands water baptism and commands keeping the Lord's supper

The 1 Corinthians 11:23-34 Scripture is Paul's direction on how to observe the Lord's Supper. You should read it, for it's apparent your church hasn't shown you about it.

Paul understood Christ's command for believers on Him to be baptized of water...

Acts 16:14-15
14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.
KJV

Apostle Paul was not called and chosen to baptize, though he did some of that...

1 Cor 1:13-17
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
KJV

That does NOT mean Paul did not support water baptism like you are TRYING... to claim he didn't.

Water baptism and the Lord's Supper those in Christ are called to keep today. Jesus is Who commanded it originally.

 

[Doug]

The 1 Corinthians 11:23-34 Scripture is Paul's direction on how to observe the Lord's Supper. You should read it, for it's apparent your church hasn't shown you about it.

You arent showing me where Paul commanded the Lord;s supper be kept.

 

[Doug]

That does NOT mean Paul did not support water baptism like you are TRYING... to claim he didn't.

Paul said to keep the ordinances HE DELIVVERED not what Christ commanded his disciples..................[1Co 11:2 KJV] 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you.

Wher did Pau;l command water baptisms? You havent shown this either

 

[Davy]

You arent showing me where Paul commanded the Lord;s supper be kept.

Jesus commanded it, so there is no need to show about Paul commanding it. Don't you get what Paul said about it? He wouldn't have taught about HOW to keep The Lord's Supper in a worthily manner if he didn't recognize Jesus commanded His servants to observe it! What's the matter with you, are you that deceived by men's false doctrines?

Luke 22:19-20
19 And He took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of Me."
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you."
KJV


And thus Apostle Paul taught...

1 Cor 11:23-26
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which He was betrayed took bread:
24 And when He had given thanks, He brake it, and said, "Take, eat: this is My body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of Me."
25 After the same manner also He took the cup, when He had supped, saying, "This cup is the new testament in My blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of Me."
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till He come.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Paul said to keep the ordinances HE DELIVVERED not what Christ commanded his disciples..................[1Co 11:2 KJV] 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you.

Well, my previous post #8 just destroyed your above false notion.

Paul mentioned what Jesus commanded about keeping The Lord's Supper, and Paul said He received that directly from Jesus. So those teaching you against that have LIED to you, big time!

1 Cor 11:23
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which He was betrayed took bread:

Wher did Pau;l command water baptisms? You havent shown this either

Paul did't command baptisms, Jesus did, and like Paul said, he was called to preach The Gospel, not baptize. But Paul did... baptize some, like he said, and I posted that Scripture. So what's your problem? Can't you believe the false men you've been listening to have LIED to you?

 

[Doug]

Good grief, you mean the 'traditions' Paul mentioned DID NOT include water baptism and communion with Christ?

YES, the 'traditions' Paul mentioned to keep DO INCLUDE water baptism and taking The Lord's Supper! Those are two main ordinances that ALL... Christians are held to.

But... I have noticed today that 'some' churches (which I call beth-avens, or houses of vanity), claim those in Christ have no need of repentance anymore, nor keeping The Lord's Supper, communion. Those are NOT Christian Churches, they are CULTS, beth-avens, houses of vanity.

I just came across this and though late thought of you

[Lev 18:4 KJV] 4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I [am] the LORD your God.

There was no Lord's supper then

ordinances are statutes

 

[Jack]

[1Corinthians 11:2 KJV] 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you.

Paul was not saying that the saints had to keep the ordinances of water baptism. the Lord's supper, or any other sacraments.

Paul was saying to keep his teachings and instructions.

Preaching against water baptism??? Wow!

 

[indentured servant]

Pardon my intrusion, I just have an inquiry.

I really only wanted to read about how others view this interesting topic, but I'm having a time trying to understand the variety in versions and interpretations being used.

When I read this passage, there are two words that are closely related, in Greek, but have confusing translations in this conversation.

The base word for "I delivered,' is the Greek 'paradidōmi.'

The word 'paradosis' is the same word, but is used in a different grammatical operation.

My confusion, (and please forgive me if it "should be obvious"), is why 'paradosis, seems to be translated with words not related to its meaning.

I'm seeing the English words, like "traditions," "ordinances," and such, for a word that is previously translated "deliver."

Please accept my advanced apology if anything I've observed, or asked about, made anyone uncomfortable.

 

[Doug]

Preaching against water baptism??? Wow!

Where in Paul, who is our apostle and conveys our teachings and instructions and commandments, do you find commandments to observe the Lord's supper and be water baptized?

My second question is, Why would you be water baptized?

 

[Jack]

Where in Paul, who is our apostle and conveys our teachings and instructions and commandments, do you find commandments to observe the Lord's supper and be water baptized?

My second question is, Why would you be water baptized?

So you reject the rest of the NT?

 

[Davy]

I just came across this and though late thought of you

[Lev 18:4 KJV] 4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I [am] the LORD your God.

There was no Lord's supper then

ordinances are statutes

Well, you failed to think deep enough about me, because you trying to APPLY the old covenant OVER ON TOP of The New Covenant means you reject what Lord Jesus Christ offered at His cross, for He fulfilled the handwriting of ordinances in the law upon His cross.

Col 2:13-17
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV

Those in Christ are NOT under the 'old covenant' anymore. The old covenant contained blood ordinances and religious ceremonial worship that Jesus nailed to His cross.

But God's moral law, His commandments, statutes, and judgments other than the above Scripture, are still in effect, as Apostle Paul showed in 1 Timothy 1, 1 Corinthians 6, and Galatians 5. For example, God's commandment against murder is still in effect for the wicked today, as it can still warrant the death penalty.

 

[Doug]

So you reject the rest of the NT?

I dont reject the new testament, I believe the NT, I can learn from the NT. I do, however, rightly divide the NT and understand God's purpose in it, I dont follow commands given solely to others in the NT, I do know that Paul is our apostle in this dispensation, he communicates our teaching and commandments and reveals God's purpose now.

 

[Jack]

I dont reject the new testament, I believe the NT,

All of it?

I can learn from the NT. I do, however, rightly divide the NT and understand God's purpose in it, I dont follow commands given solely to others in the NT, I do know that Paul is our apostle in this dispensation, he communicates our teaching and commandments and reveals God's purpose now.

Which parts of the NT do your reject?

 

[Doug]

All of it?

Which parts of the NT do your reject?

Here are some I dont reject but I am not compelled to obey

[Mar 16:16 KJV] 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I believe but dont require water baptism.....I am baptized by the Spirit......Paul says one baptism which is Spirit only

[Mat 19:17-19 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I am not under the law...........All the commandments are found in Paul's epistles except the sabbath

[Luk 18:22 KJV] 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Israel was commanded to sell all

[Mat 28:19-20 KJV] 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus gave this commandment to the disciples...............I have a different command.....................[2Co 5:20 KJV] 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[Jack]

Here are some I dont reject but I am not compelled to obey

[Mar 16:16 KJV] 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I believe but dont require water baptism.....I am baptized by the Spirit......Paul says one baptism which is Spirit only

[Mat 19:17-19 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I am not under the law...........All the commandments are found in Paul's epistles except the sabbath

[Luk 18:22 KJV] 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

Israel was commanded to sell all

[Mat 28:19-20 KJV] 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus gave this commandment to the disciples...............I have a different command.....................[2Co 5:20 KJV] 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

My question was: "Which parts of the NT do your reject?"

 

[Doug]

My question was: "Which parts of the NT do your reject?"

I answered you
I gave scripture........ there are no parts