666 the Unholy Trinity

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I was just pointing out there is nothing about being killed if one does not take the mark. Food can be purchased before the mark, or traded for etc. Paul wrote of those who survive the trib who asre saved, so they don't take the mark but are still able to survive.

Rev 13:16-18
(16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
(17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
(18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

You guys got everything wrong.

The theories, like yourse, about these who buy and sell are as wild, varied and groundless as the theories about the number six hundred sixty-six itself. Nevertheless, the buyers and sellers are NOT literal, it is symbolism illustrating the merchants of the congregations who make the Lord's house "spiritually" a place of robbers and thieves. What people often forget is that we cannot define words by Webster's dictionary, nor make interpretations by world politics, economics reports, or Youtube with flavor of the month. The interpretations of Scripture must be defined by a sound Biblical hermeneutic. In other words, "bread" by Webster's dictionary is simply a food from a starchy food group, but by God's definition it could be the Word of God. A Temple by Webster's dictionary is a literal religious building where people go to worship, but by God's definition it may be the body of Christ. By Webster's Dictionary, a highway in the desert that is made straight is a crooked road fixed by construction workers, but by God's definition it's the correction of unrighteousness. By the same token, a den of thieves by Webster's dictionary is a room with a group of criminals who steal, but by God's definition it may be the false prophets in the congregations. Selah!
And not interpreting these things in the way God intended is NOT having the wisdom and understanding that Revelation chapter 13 says is required to "count the number of the beast." This is the major reason why so many people come to so many erroneous conclusions about what the book of Revelation means. Discernment is from spiritual ears, not from reading things and defining terms by Webster's dictionary, by secular history, or by the precepts of men. We compare Scripture with Scripture to see HOW God defines His own terms. And clearly, God is not prophesying about grocery store clerks who will only sell to people with a physical mark on their heads. That is not what is in view AT ALL with these buyers and sellers. And frankly, it's amazing that so many people like you actually teach this. Yet the gospel message is not about economics, it's about the good news of salvation. The interpretation of Revelation is not found "out there" somewhere, it's found right here, "in" the Scriptures. Even the very context of this chapter should tell us that it's speaking about false prophets deceiving by means of miracles that the people will worship a false god. Because that's the context. So then, do these false prophets work in department stores and super markets and have power to restrict people buying goods unless they are literally marked in the head and hand? Of course not! The false prophets work in churches, and that is where their buying and selling is done!!! Get this TRUTH in your head first! The gospel of Christ isn't about world politics, computer chips, economics, or AI. It's about the Word of God in salvation and judgement. This symbolic language found in Revelation is imagery illustrating false prophets make evil merchandise of the gospel. They sell the things of God. For example. look at Esau. He sold his birthright for a crumb of bread. And doing so, He was cut off from God and brought into servitude of Satan. Jacob and Esau were brothers, both sons of Issac. Both are the children of the congregation. But one was truly elect, while the other one never really was. It was this son that was not elect, that was cut off.

Romans 9:11-13

• "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
• It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
• As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

Many sons in the New Testament congregation of our day sell their birthright for less than Esau did! They are those in "works gospels," which fundamentally deny that we are already "bought" with a price by Christ. Other false gospels deny the authority of Scripture, either verbally or by deeds. Still other false gospels seek signs and wonders adding to the revelation of God, and hold to these in place of Biblical truth. But every false prophet sells you a lie in place of the gospel truth. And it is spiritually as if they are stealing from God. Because they use God's name in selling you goods which are of no real value. And it is God who equates those false prophets to buyers and sellers, thieves and robbers who are stealing from Him! Selah! This was "clearly illustrated" in the first advent of Christ. Remember when He came to Jerusalem, He threw the "Buyers and Sellers" out of the Holy Temple of God? This pointed to the fulfillment of the Old Testament Scripture prophesying of false prophets in the Lord's house. For example, God, not I, has equated the Buyers and Sellers of the Temple, to the false prophets who were prophesied to come and serve other gods in Israel. Consider Matthew and Jeremiah carefully:

Matthew 21:12-13

• "And Jesus went into the Temple of God, and cast out all them that Sold and Bought in the Temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers and the seats of them that SOLD DOVES,
• And said unto them, it is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

These buyers and sellers in the Temple fulfilled the prophecy of Jeremiah that false prophets would come and serve false gods in the House of the Lord, making it an abomination. And when Christ says "it is written," He is exhorting the faithful to search the Scriptures and discern the truth from "where" it is written.

Jeremiah 7:8-11

• "behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.
• will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;
• And come and stand before Me in this house, which is called by My name, and say, we are delivered to do all these abominations?
• is THIS HOUSE, which is called by My name, become a Den of Robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the Lord."

This is the passage that the Lord Jesus referenced illustrating that it was fulfilled as He threw the Buyers and Sellers out of the Lord's house. It's a word picture or 'type' of them being cut off from their God. To be thrown out of The Temple is a "sign" of this cutting off of Israel. These Buyers and Sellers were tokens of the false prophets of the Lord's house that Jeremiah spoke of. They had made the Lords House a house of lies and false gods. Moreover, indeed the Jews came and asked Jesus for a "sign" that would show them that He had authority to throw these buyers and sellers out of the temple. And Christ responded illustrating that the "sign" fulfillment, was that they would crucify Him.

John 2:18-19

• "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
• Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

They asked for a sign of His authority to cast the buyers and sellers out, and Christ told them what the sign would be. They would be cut off as Christ was cut off in His death for the sins of the people!! The point here is, the Buyers and Sellers signified those of the Temple that were to be cut off. They would destroy Christ the Temple, and that would be the 'sign' of His authority to cast them out. Get it?

Thus in Revelation chapter 13, these Buyers and Sellers are symbolic of the very same people who would be cut off from their God because they make His house abominable. This is what the number 666 signify of which you need to COUNT that number to find that truth (explain this later). Therein lies the significance of them being marked of Satan and numbered with his name. It now fits perfectly how only "they" could be those who buy and sell as thieves and robbers, while the faithful in the House of God cannot. It has nothing whatsoever to do with world economics, it has to do with carnality and spirituality of the Devil, right in God's House. The Church where the false prophets and christs rule. Those in the congregaiton who are deceived by false prophets to serve other gods in the House of the Lord, make evil merchandise of the church. And they are not thieves and robbers as Webster's dictionary defines it, and not Buyers and Sellers as Webster's dictionary defines it, but as God defines it and as those with wisdom and understanding, as a gift from God, have eyes to see and ears to hear the truth. Thieves are an illustration of those who come into the congregation with false teachings. Look again at what symbolism Jesus uses to illustrate this.

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John 10:8

• "All that ever came before Me were thieves and Robbers: but the sheep did not hear them."

Was Jesus talking about literal thieves and robbers who His servants could not hear? No, He is talking about false teachers who came to deceive the people of Israel into following them, and how God's true people (Elect) wouldn't listen to them. Jesus equates those false teachers to being thieves and robbers whom the true people of God (sheep) would not follow. Just as those verses in Matthew and Jeremiah points out. They are false teachers, prophets and leaders, out to deceive into serving other gods.
Obadiah 1:4-5

• "Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
• If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? If the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?"

The thieves, locusts or grasshoppers, the Buyers and Sellers in the House of the Lord symbolize these false teachers who exalt themselves in God's congregation. The classic example of the story Jesus told of the certain man who fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead (Luke 10:30). It was the good Samaritan who had compassion on him, helped him, and bound up his wounds pouring in oil and wine. This is a picture of us, the church in the ministry of Christ, and how they have compassion on those whom the false teachers deceive. The church by the power of the gospel brings these half dead back to life! The gospel we bring is that which heals in the spiritual oil of the anointing, and the wine of the blood of Christ. Thieves signify those false prophets who rob and kill, and the Saints the good Samaritans having compassion, who come to heal! See? These spiritual truths all point us to understand more fully the imagery, the symbolism, and the spiritual nature of the gospel language.
The true believers will not hear these thieves (buyers and sellers) that come into the Lord's house by the windows, nor will they be marked of them to worship the image of the beast as those to be cut off. Because they are the Lord's sheep and listen ONLY to the Good Shepherd, Jesus Christ. They keep God's Word and aren't deceived of Satan that they receive his name to Buy and Sell in the Temple. They know false teachings when they hear them because they are His sheep who's authority is that word.

Matthew 7:28-29

• "And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
• For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes."

Likewise, when we listen to the Word of God, we are listening to the power of God, the true authority of the church. Sadly, there is coming upon the earth a time when men will not endure sound doctrine, and Satan will be loosed of God. Lawless man will then rule in the Holy Temple and exalt himself to the throne of God, and this abomination will be judged. The Lord's Temple will again be made as a den of thieves and robbers by the Buyers and Sellers who have the mark of the beast. It is a time when iniquity will abound and the love of God will grow cold so that there is a great forsaking God (2nd Thessalonians 2). This is the prophecy put forth in the imagery of the man of lawlessness (sin) sitting as ruler in the Temple, as if he was God. Man with the spirit of disobedience making his own laws and serving a god, the creation of his own hands. And because there is no Word being preached there, there is spiritual famine and no life there. The life of the church is Christ, and without the Word of God as authority of the church, there is no life there. The true witnesses will have been killed (Revelation 11:7) after their testimony, and these false prophets, now rules there without law.
Mark 11:15-17

• "...and Jesus went into the Temple, and began to cast out them that Sold and Bought in the Temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;
• and would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the Temple.
• And He taught them, saying unto them, it is written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves."

Christ would not suffer that any man carry any vessel through the Temple. A prelude signification of the end time church when the two witnesses are killed and there is no mercy. The congregation (as prophesied) will become abominable and will not be serving God, and their judgment is that they will be left desolate. And just as Jesus threw these Buyers and Sellers out of that Temple to signify the destruction of His Old Testament house by them, near the end of the world, the Lord's New Testament house will again be as a den of thieves and robbers and they will be cast out. Biblical history repeats itself, as it is written, there is nothing new under the sun!!!

These things, we can better understand why only those who received the mark would worship the beast, and be those who buy and sell. In other words, the false teachers who operate in the church. Because they are the ones deceived, and the ones to be cut off by God. And we read that those who would not bow down to worship the beast and would not receive the mark, would be killed (Revelation 11:7). These are the two witnesses who represent the truthful or "faithful" witnesses of the church.
God is talking about THIS PEOPLE who will be cut off from house. THis is what 666 signifies. How? What is the number six hundred, sixty, and six "counted" as a fraction or as part of this whole? It breaks down to two-thirds!!

Zec 13:7-9
(7) Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
(8) And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
(9) And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Two parts of the congregation will be cut off, and only one part will be saved. God Himself has assigned the number—a fraction to count those Christ brings to salvation, and those who will be cut off. A remnant is saved, while the rest are deceived and destroyed.


The true believers are counted as one-third. The unsaved—cut off from God—are counted as two-thirds. This is God’s own definition of the portion of mankind separated from Him. And that number—two-thirds—directly connects to the number of man, 666.

The number written on the forehead and hand represents the spiritual condition of the mind and the works of the hand - - both given over to the beast. This is nothing new. It is the same spiritual idolatry God condemned in His Old Testament congregaiton at the time of Christ's death. Likewise, God condemns His New Testament congregation today at the time of Two Witnesses' death.

Understand this clearly: The mark of the beast is not a worldwide phenomenon for all Earth. It is focused on God’s congregation—those not sealed by Him—who are open to deception.

That is why we now see so many professing Christians inside the church blindly buying what the false prophets and false christs sell! They only can do it as long as they bear the mark of the beast, not on their skin, but in their hearts and minds.

Selah!

 

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That is why we now see so many professing Christians inside the church blindly buying what the false prophets and false christs sell! They only can do it as long as they bear the mark of the beast, not on their skin, but in their hearts and minds.

Just the same, the mark of the beast is an engraving or mark of some kind placed on the forehead of the right hand, and it's for everybody. That's if you believe what's written, like I do. If you, then there is no accounting for what you may come up with.

Much love!

 

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Just the same, the mark of the beast is an engraving or mark of some kind placed on the forehead of the right hand. That's if you believe what's written, like I do.

Much love!

Really, then you agree that to count the number of the beast, 666, is 2/3? Humm? Read again, if you did not read my post carefully. It calls for wisdom.

Much wisdom!

 

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Really, then you agree that to count the number of the beast, 666, is 2/3?

It sounds like you are mixing things up. No, I don't agree. But then I don't expect to agree with you about these things. You and I read the same Bible, but in very different ways.

Much love!

 

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It sounds like you are mixing things up. No, I don't agree. But then I don't expect to agree with you about these things. You and I read the same Bible, but in very different ways.

Much love!

Thought so. We read the same verses, yet one got the right understanding. Obviously not yours.

It is because you do not have the wisdom of Christ to know how to count the number. And you do not understand who the buyers and sellers the Lord talked about are that have everything to do with HIS HOUSE (not the world).

Oh, I dare you—please, enlighten us all—how exactly do you “count the number” with your flimsy little theories of some so-called physical mark? Go ahead, show us chapter and verse. I’ll wait. The actual wisdom comes from Scripture itself, not from a laundry list of conspiracy gimmicks that may sound good to you like the debit cards, the Pope’s mailing address, Greek math puzzles, barcodes, chips, scanners, AI boogeymen, or whatever “flavor of the month” headline you’re hooked on lately on YouTube.

Much wisdom!

 

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Oh, I dare you—please, enlighten us all—how exactly do you “count the number” with your flimsy little theories of some so-called physical mark?

After this short exchange, I'm not of a mind to engage with you about anything.

Try to learn some manners, some respect, maybe we can revisit the question.

Much love!

 

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But it's not, and I for one am not going to treat it as though it were. This is a human observation that has not connection to reality, ascribing to Satan what I will only ascribe to God.

Satan, Satan' son, Satan's spirit. The very idea nauseates me. Biblical fact? That you would suggest such a thing astounds me!

Much love!

You’re wrong to say that’s “not in the Bible.” It is. Scripture has revealed to us that Satan counterfeits what God has done. He imitates and opposes everything God is and does, right down to a warped and twisted attempt at his own Trinity in Revelation.

In Revelation 12: 3 and 9, Satan, “that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world,” is the great red dragon. He is the counterfeit of the Father, the one who demands to be worshipped.

In Revelation 13: 1–8, the beast that comes out of the sea is given his power from the dragon. He is the false messiah, the counterfeit of Christ, worshipped by the world, who demands allegiance and blasphemes God.

In Revelation 13: 11–15, the beast that comes out of the earth performs signs, and causes people to worship the first beast. He is the false prophet, the counterfeit of the Holy Spirit, leading people not to God but to the beast.

In Revelation 16: 13 it all comes together: “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.” That’s the unholy trinity spelled out right there.

The Bible itself presents an unholy trinity to us. It’s not a figment of our imagination, it’s not speculation, it’s God’s Word revealing Satan’s counterfeit. If you can’t see it, maybe you should read the Bible.

 

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After this short exchange, I'm not of a mind to engage with you about anything.

Try to learn some manners, some respect, maybe we can revisit the question.

Much love!

Aww. Typically of those who are offended by Truth or cannot gainsay or resist. My valid question stands.

Much wisdom!

 

[bdavidc]

Maybe toss this one out . . . I think I would.

Much love!

The mention of Skull and Crossbones adds imagery of death, deception, and danger, reinforcing the idea that this “trinity” is both unholy and lethal.


Just as there is a true God, we see a counterfeit trinity, planned to deceive the world. The Antichrist is a counterfeit savior, the False Prophet heralds his worship, and Satan behind the scene makes it happen.

• Revelation 12:3
• Revelation 12:9
• Revelation 13:1–8
• Revelation 13:11–15
• Revelation 16:13

 

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In Revelation 16: 13 it all comes together: “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.” That’s the unholy trinity spelled out right there.

I get it, you are really into this idea. But to me it borders on blasphemy to call the devil et al a "trinity". I reserve that for the True God Who alone is triune.

I know, it's really provocative prose to write out "the unholy trinity" as if it were so, but it's not, and I find trying to push the idea nauseating. I'm not kidding.

At the end of the day, when you use "trinity" to descibe things that are not actually triune in a theological context, you dumb down the word Trinity, removing it's unique meaning.

Someone reading your words could just the same come away thinking you believe the Father, Son, and Spirit are a confederation of individuals in the same way as the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet.

3 unclean spirits are just that, 3 unclean spirits. Not even fallen angels! 3 demons, that's it.

Much love!

 

[bdavidc]

I get it, you are really into this idea. But to me it borders on blasphemy to call the devil et al a "trinity". I reserve that for the True God Who alone is triune.

I know, it's really provocative prose to write out "the unholy trinity" as if it were so, but it's not, and I find trying to push the idea nauseating. I'm not kidding.

At the end of the day, when you use "trinity" to descibe things that are not actually triune in a theological context, you dumb down the word Trinity, removing it's unique meaning.

Someone reading your words could just the same come away thinking you believe the Father, Son, and Spirit are a confederation of individuals in the same way as the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet.

3 unclean spirits are just that, 3 unclean spirits. Not even fallen angels! 3 demons, that's it.

Much love!

You’re making this into something it’s not. I never denied or diminished the true Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. What I said was simply pointing out the obvious in Revelation 16:13, the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet operate in counterfeit unity, like an unholy imitation. Calling it an “unholy trinity” is a descriptive phrase, not blasphemy.

You’re acting as if using the word trinity in any other context somehow takes away from the uniqueness of God, but that’s not true. Scripture itself uses words like “gods” and “lords” for counterfeits (1 Corinthians 8:5), and nobody thinks that undermines the reality of the one true God. In the same way, recognizing a satanic counterfeit doesn’t cheapen the reality of the Holy Trinity, it only exposes the lie which was my point.

So no, I wasn’t blaspheming. I was describing what the Bible says plainly. If the devil sets up a false imitation, I’m not going to pretend otherwise just to avoid using a word you don’t like.

 

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I’m not going to pretend otherwise just to avoid using a word you don’t like.

I don't think you understand me. It's not the word, it's the concept. I myself will only apply Trinity to God when I'm speaking in a theological context. Maybe that goes towards my reverence for our Lord, and my love of truth. I would not dream of applying the attributes of God falsely to Satan. But it sure makes for a fun title for a thread, I'll say that!

Enough said!

Much love!

 

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I don't think you understand me. It's not the word, it's the concept. I myself will only apply Trinity to God when I'm speaking in a theological context. Maybe that goes towards my reverence for our Lord, and my love of truth. I would not dream of applying the attributes of God falsely to Satan. But it sure makes for a fun title for a thread, I'll say that!

Enough said!

Much love!

Again, since you don't read my posts:

You’re making this into something it’s not. I never denied or diminished the true Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. What I said was simply pointing out the obvious in Revelation 16:13, the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet operate in counterfeit unity, like an unholy imitation. Calling it an “unholy trinity” is a descriptive phrase, not blasphemy.

You’re acting as if using the word trinity in any other context somehow takes away from the uniqueness of God, but that’s not true. Scripture itself uses words like “gods” and “lords” for counterfeits (1 Corinthians 8:5), and nobody thinks that undermines the reality of the one true God. In the same way, recognizing a satanic counterfeit doesn’t cheapen the reality of the Holy Trinity, it only exposes the lie which was my point.

So no, I wasn’t blaspheming. I was describing what the Bible says plainly. If the devil sets up a false imitation, I’m not going to pretend otherwise just to avoid using a word you don’t like.

 

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Again, since you don't read my posts:

Is that what you tell yourself?

You’re making this into something it’s not. I never denied or diminished the true Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. What I said was simply pointing out the obvious in Revelation 16:13, the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet operate in counterfeit unity, like an unholy imitation. Calling it an “unholy trinity” is a descriptive phrase, not blasphemy.

You’re acting as if using the word trinity in any other context somehow takes away from the uniqueness of God, but that’s not true. Scripture itself uses words like “gods” and “lords” for counterfeits (1 Corinthians 8:5), and nobody thinks that undermines the reality of the one true God. In the same way, recognizing a satanic counterfeit doesn’t cheapen the reality of the Holy Trinity, it only exposes the lie which was my point.

So no, I wasn’t blaspheming. I was describing what the Bible says plainly. If the devil sets up a false imitation, I’m not going to pretend otherwise just to avoid using a word you don’t like.

You don't need to spam me on this. I think what I think, deal with it.

Much love!

 

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Is that what you tell yourself?


You don't need to spam me on this. I think what I think, deal with it.

Much love!

Much love!