Is it possible to lose salvation?

[ProDeo]

Yes the words of eternal life.

Eat my flesh and drink my blood. If you don't you don't have any life within you. You don't like those words. I don't care. Correction I care I just can't do anything about it so I don't spend a.lot of time worrying about it.

John 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet.
John 13:15 For I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.

Does the RCC follow this commandment of Jesus?

Jesus said it literally.

 

[ProDeo]

Jesus/God broke the laws, healing and picking wheat on the sabbath and not doing ritual hand washing. You can follow the law and be a horrible human being. And if it's his law he can change it as he will. If only God would do what you like huh?

Meaning that Lev 17:10-14 is no longer valid ???

Lev 17:10 “If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.
Lev 17:12 Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood.
Lev 17:13 “Any one also of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who takes in hunting any beast or bird that may be eaten shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth.
Lev 17:14 For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.

Acts15:20 - but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.

Still valid.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Will be thinking, thinking, thinking....

the Holy spirit will teach you all things.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I didnt make it something else Jesus did. What's wrong with you? If it wasn't more than that then it was just an execution

Yes you did

You stated his death will not assure everyone who eats it or partakes in it will receive everything Jesus promised.

In other words. you claim his death was not enough

 

[Eternally Grateful]

why would Jesus want people to walk away??

Why did he speak in parables?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't understand ProDeo and this is important to me.
This chapter is why, eventually after much study and pondering, I have come to the conclusion
that Jesus meant His body,,,,His flesh...that we are somehow to consume HIM.

Could you connect John 6:65 to John 6:44?

If you don't have the time,,it's OK.

then why do you not get what he PROMISED once you have consumed him?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And why would they want to walk away if he was only speaking figuratively?

Because they were sickened by what he said.

Because again, As jesus said, you do not see because you do not believe

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Peter didn't walk away because Jesus was teaching them about life, about salvation...
Jesus had the life and He was passing it on.
Jesus also told them John 6:53
OK
I'll stop after this.

Peter did not walk away because he believed.

You have the words of eternal life..

Peter understood.

the rest did not. they wanted a handout. and Jesus was not going to give it to them (judas later walked away for the same reason)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Actually EG....
Communion and Baptism apply AFTER one is born again.
So they are NOT works of righteousness.

according to catholic doctrine they are

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I understand but as I've said before only one church can even begin to try and trace its history back to Peter. If thats true, then if there ever was a church that you could just accept what you're told, it might be that church.

your church killed anyone who did not agree with them, and ruled with the fist of rome

Its sad you do not even really understand your own history

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John 6:22 On the next day the crowd that remained on the other side of the sea saw that there had been only one boat there, and that Jesus had not entered the boat with his disciples, but that his disciples had gone away alone.
John 6:23 Other boats from Tiberias came near the place where they had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks.
John 6:24 So when the crowd saw that Jesus was not there, nor his disciples, they themselves got into the boats and went to Capernaum, seeking Jesus.
John 6:25 When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you come here?”
John 6:26 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves.

Here you go

They wanted a handout. Not to really hear what Jesus had to say.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes. I've considered this.
They came probably looking for more real food, bread and fish.
But they left when Jesus said they must eat HIS flesh.
OK
I get your point.

First jesus called it the food which endures forever

then he called it the bread from heaven

they complained and complained. and could not understand (Jesus said they can not see because they do not believe)

So in the end, after all the complaining, He said they must eat his flesh..

this angered them and sickened them and they walked away

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus/God broke the laws, healing and picking wheat on the sabbath and not doing ritual hand washing. You can follow the law and be a horrible human being. And if it's his law he can change it as he will. If only God would do what you like huh?

excuse me sir. Jesus never broke any command God gave to Israel.

he broke their man made laws.. Not Gods laws.

if Jesus broke any command, he is a sinner, and his sacrifice is mute; no one will be saved. we are lost forever

 

[nedsk]

Meaning that Lev 17:10-14 is no longer valid ???

Lev 17:10 “If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.
Lev 17:12 Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood.
Lev 17:13 “Any one also of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who takes in hunting any beast or bird that may be eaten shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth.
Lev 17:14 For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.

Acts15:20 - but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.

Still valid.

And it's all Gods law. He can do what he likes with it, he doesn't need your approval bro change it.

I will ask you AGAIN if IF Jesus did mean for us to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood what specific words would he have used?

 

[nedsk]

excuse me sir. Jesus never broke any command God gave to Israel.

he broke their man made laws.. Not Gods laws.

if Jesus broke any command, he is a sinner, and his sacrifice is mute; no one will be saved. we are lost forever

Observing the Sabbath is not God's law????

Jesus said eat my flesh and drink my blood otherwise you have no life in you. However much that upsets you its not problem. I could listen you or I could listen to Jesus. If it offends you that I choose Jesus....oh well

 

[ProDeo]

And it's all Gods law. He can do what he likes with it, he doesn't need your approval bro change it.

I will ask you AGAIN if IF Jesus did mean for us to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood what specific words would he have used?

You are impossible but I do like impossible people.

One more try and then you may have the last word on the issue.

Matt 26:26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”

Jesus gave them bread, He did not say to John who sat next to Him - here is my arm, take a bite.

Matt 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
Matt 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Jesus did not wound Himself and said - Peter drink.

Realize what you haven chosen to believe, likely indoctrinated since when ?

 

[nedsk]

You are impossible but I do like impossible people.

One more try and then you may have the last word on the issue.

Matt 26:26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”

Jesus gave them bread, He did not say to John who sat next to Him - here is my arm, take a bite.

Matt 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
Matt 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Jesus did not wound Himself and said - Peter drink.

First Jesus said the bread that I will give is my flesh and then proceeds to tell 3 times eat my flesh and drink my blood or you dont have life within you.

Now I notice you completely ignored the second part of my previous post. That makes sense given that you people have no problem ignoring what Jesus says either. Ignoring me is easier

Let's try AGAIN , if IF Jesus meant for us to literally eat his body and drink his blood what specific words would he have used? Come on focus! I know you can do it! Be specific now. I can't wait for your wisdom to shine through on this

 

[nedsk]

the Holy spirit will teach you all things.

Like when Jesus says eat my flesh and drink my blood or you have no life within you and the holy spirit says you better believe it? Like that? I guess the holy Spirit wants 20,000 Christian denominations even though for 1500 years there was only one Christian church that doesn't teach the silliness you espouse?

 

[LoveYeshua]

@ProDeo That was the perfect verses that proves definitely it was nor meant as literal, I should have thought of it which indicates to me that I must read again the synoptic gospels and fill my soul with Jesus words, the bread of Life.

Blessings

 

[nedsk]

@ProDeo That was the perfect verses that proves definitely it was nor meant as literal, I should have thought of it which indicates to me that I must read again the synoptic gospels and fill my soul with Jesus words, the bread of Life.

Blessings

Of course it was literal that's why people walked away. If Jesus didn't mean eat my flesh then why did he say it 3 times and then said my flesh is real food.and my blood is real drink? Was he just rambling?

Lets assume you're right and he didn't mean it literally what specific words would he have used if he did mean it literally?

If he didn't mean it literally why then did Paul say those that eat without discerning the body of the Lord eat and drink judgment on themselves? You gotta stop this silliness of yours.

In the very earliest days of they taught that Jesus was present in the Eucharist. That was the case for 1500 years but they were wrong and you're right? If you have to contort your understanding to explain away the words that are clearly written then you should look at that but words obviously don't mean anything to you.