Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Spiritual Israelite]

What do you say?

Was his question too difficult for you to answer? In your estimation, is current ethnic Christ-rejecting Israel God's chosen people? Yes or no? I say those who reject Christ in Israel or any other nation are not God's chosen people. What do you say?

 

[pandaflower]

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What do you say?

In your estimation, is current ethnic Christ-rejecting Israel God's chosen people?

No answer.
OK.

 

[covenantee]

Was his question too difficult for you to answer? In your estimation, is current ethnic Christ-rejecting Israel God's chosen people? Yes or no? I say those who reject Christ in Israel or any other nation are not God's chosen people. What do you say?

He's afraid to answer, as it will confirm him as a proponent of the zionist antichrist.

 

[Scott Downey]

I never said “Christ “physically returns to THIS Earth?

Do you think there are “other” Earths?

Doe you think men of “THIS” Earth See Spirits?

Do you think Jesus IS God?

Do you think God is a Spirit?

Do you think Jesus is a Spirit?

Do you think Scripture is True?

Dot think Jesus shall return to “THIS” Earth?

Rev 1:
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.




Who said I read what you are asking?




Yours is typical of a gaslighter… who thinks an other is accountable for what “THEY” did not say!



So you say…. NEVER, NEVER.

Matt 6
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Rev 21:
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Rev 21:
[10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Never on THIS earth, it is right there in the text, it is on the NEW earth.

The 'first earth and first heaven pass away', they are GONE, never to be seen again.
They flee from the Face of God and are found no where.

The Great White Throne Judgment​

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [b]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

Only on this new earth does God dwell together with His people in the New Jerusalem, never the old, first earth for 1000 years.
Christ is not separating again from the Father, He will remain in Heaven until the END of this world.

As only at the END of this world are ALL things put under His feet. He must reign in heaven at the right hand of God as our Mediator and Great High Priest until all things are put under His feet.

 

[Scott Downey]

Revelation 21

1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

2 Then I, [a]John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said [b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

As all can read the New Jerusalem, comes down from the New 'second' heaven to the New 'second' earth.

 

[Scott Downey]

So Rev 21 and the NEW earth is the only time we read where God (Christ) will live directly and dwell together with His people.
And that earth will be a righteous earth having no Satan and nothing evil still hanging around to cause troubles, like the 1000 year earthly reign people promote which is still an evil place of unbelief and rebellion against God and Christ.

No 1000 years trial run on the old earth ahead of that.

 

[LoveYeshua]

1. 
   John 18:36
   Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Logically a king and His servants fight for His kingdom.

No Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.

Jesus received a heavenly kingdom. Some future day, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of God by inheritance and we then have the new earth and the new heaven, but that is not this day yet, nor after any 1000 years longer of a millennial current earthly reign of Christ.

The heathen are still raging and fighting against the Father and the Son.
The only time they can no longer fight is when we get new earth and new heaven in which dwells righteousness.
Even pre-mills admit there is evil rebellion of the wicked and Satan during their earthly millennial reign.

Psalm 2
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Why do the [a]nations [b]rage,
And the people plot a [c]vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed,[d] saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have [e]set My King
[f]On My holy hill of Zion.”
7 “I will declare the [g]decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

9 You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

v9, they are slain

Luke 19

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

Jesus taught that the Kingdom of Heaven begins small but grows into something great and everlasting. He said, “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches” (Matthew 13:31–32). With this parable He showed that though the Kingdom seems hidden or small in the beginning, it will grow until it fills the earth. The Kingdom already begins in the hearts of those who believe, as Jesus said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:20–21). It is like a seed of life planted in the soul, growing as people follow Christ, shaping them to live by His will.

But Jesus also made clear that the Kingdom is not only spiritual now; it will be revealed in power when He returns. He said, “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats” (Matthew 25:31–32). Then He will say to those who belong to Him, “Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world” (Matthew 25:34). This is the promise of His reign on earth, a reign spoken of also in Revelation: “And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years”(Revelation 20:4). During that time, the devil is bound so that he cannot deceive the nations (Revelation 20:2–3), and the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth, fulfilling the words of the prophet Isaiah, “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea” (Isaiah 11:9).

This reign of Christ is the first stage of the Kingdom to come, but it is not the end. After the thousand years, Satan will be released for a short time to test the nations, but then he will be destroyed forever (Revelation 20:7–10). After that, John saw a vision of the final and eternal Kingdom: “Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea” (Revelation 21:1). In this Kingdom, God Himself will dwell with His people: “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God” (Revelation 21:3). In that place there will be no more pain, no more sorrow, and no more death, for “God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away” (Revelation 21:4). Jesus promised the same when He said, “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth” (Matthew 5:5), showing that His faithful followers will live in God’s renewed creation forever.

So the Bible shows two stages of God’s Kingdom. First, the reign of Christ on this present earth when He returns, a time when righteousness and peace will cover the world and His people will share in His authority. Then, after all evil is destroyed, comes the final and eternal Kingdom: the new heaven and new earth, where God Himself dwells with His children and life continues without end. The Kingdom of Heaven is both the seed growing in us now and the great tree that will fill the world, first in the thousand-year reign of Christ and then in the eternal glory of the new creation.

 

[shepherdsword]

David's physical throne was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar more than 2,000 years ago. Christ will not be sitting upon it because it does not exist.

It will exist again once He returns and occupies it. It will usher in the Millennial Kingdom.

 

[shepherdsword]

The passage does NOT say these martyred saints will reign during a future millennium that shall come.

That's exactly what it says

 

[rwb]

I never said “Christ “physically returns to THIS Earth?

Do you think there are “other” Earths?

Doe you think men of “THIS” Earth See Spirits?

Do you think Jesus IS God?

Do you think God is a Spirit?

Do you think Jesus is a Spirit?

Do you think Scripture is True?

Dot think Jesus shall return to “THIS” Earth?

Rev 1:
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

How does quoting Rev 1:7 prove that Christ physically returns to THIS earth to establish the Kingdom of God HERE for one thousand years?
When Christ returns with the clouds and every eye shall see Him it won't be to set up an earthly kingdom! Because when He returns this earth and everything still living upon it shall be utterly burned up, then ALL things shall be made new again on the new earth that shall be AFTER this first earth passes away!

Revelation 21:1-5 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Who said I read what you are asking?

If you don't learn from the Scriptures, where or who has taught you the unbiblical doctrines you cling to?

So you say…. NEVER, NEVER.

Matt 6
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Rev 21:
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Rev 21:
[10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

You make no distinction between the earth that now is, that is destined to utter destruction, and the new earth that shall be when Christ comes again. You cannot distinguish between what is and what is to come because you are fixated upon the physical and lack ability to understand the Kingdom of God is NOT of THIS earth and shall NEVER be physically upon THIS earth, not even for one thousand years! For His Kingdom shall not be inhabited by mortal flesh and blood, for the Kingdom of God is a spiritual Kingdom where immortality and incorruption dwells FOREVER!

 

[rwb]

What religion do you follow?

Zechariah 14:4
4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

Zechariah's prophesy was fulfilled when Christ walked THIS earth a man!

 

[Wish-it]

Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

9 You shall break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

v9, they are slain

I'd like to add a few more scripture concerning who the rod of iron is.
There appears to be numerous mentions of the rod of iron in scripture.
Rev 2.26+To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’ —just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give that one the morning star.
Rev 19.15+ Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.

Thesse two scripture seem to indicate to that we will be his kingdom and priests who will reign on earth with him for 1000 years. That we ARE that iron sceptre to assist Him during that time.
Rev 5.10+ You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
Rev 20.6+ Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
The plan of God was to have a people called by His Name to serve with Him on earth. First Adam and Eve, but they failed Him, next Gods Chosen people, they failed Him. Finally He has a people who desire to serve Him, honor and worship Him and be called by His Name. We are that people, and so the 7th day we will enter His rest, we will rule and reign with Him for 1000 years. It is and will be a joy to serve Him and teach others as priests of God.
Isaiah 66.19-24.
After the 1000 years, then the judgment, Rev 20.11+ then new heaven and new earth. Rev 21.
Seems we are on earth now, we will be during the final period of the 7th day, the 1000 years, and finally on the new earth.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Zechariah's prophesy was fulfilled when Christ walked THIS earth a man!

is the mount of olives split in 2?

 

[covenantee]

It will exist again once He returns and occupies it. It will usher in the Millennial Kingdom.

Is that what Peter said? Scripture's last word regarding David's throne was his.

 

[rwb]

is the mount of olives split in 2?

Those who view the Scriptures through physical sight cannot understand that which is already SPIRITUALLY fulfilled/being fulfilled since the first advent of Christ, lacking spiritual understanding of the spiritual Kingdom of God.

The passage from Zechariah is both being fulfilled and has been fulfilled during the age (day) the prophet writes as "the day of the LORD" that was to come. This day of the LORD that prophet writes of began with the first coming of Christ and shall end when the last/seventh trumpet begins to sound the Lord has come again.

Zechariah 14:1 (KJV) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Christ came in His Kingdom when He came to earth a man. Dispensationalists don't understand the Kingdom of God that came with Christ is NOT a physical kingdom! It is a spiritual Kingdom! You're waiting for the Kingdom of God to come physically to THIS earth and have not spiritual understanding. Believe the words Christ spoke when He tells us "the kingdom of God is come upon you." Christ came casting out devils and demons as proof the Kingdom of God HAS come.

Luke 11:20 (KJV) But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Matthew 12:28 (KJV) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

When Christ came to earth a man the Gentile kingdoms of this earth belonged to Satan. By casting out devils and demons Christ not only proved the Kingdom of God had come, but He also showed He has all power over Satan, and by casting out devils and demons, Satan's kingdom was divided against itself as many witness the greater power of Christ turning to Him in faith, believing!

We cannot physically observe the Kingdom Christ came with because His Kingdom cannot be known (see) or entered until we are born again! If Christ had not come with the spiritual Kingdom of God, why would Christ speak of the necessity of being born again to both know and enter the Kingdom of God?

John 3:3-5 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[rwb]

That's exactly what it says

They were martyred for their faithfulness unto death! That means in life, before they were martyred (beheaded) for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, and did not receive the mark of the beast upon their foreheads or in their hands is when "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." John sees them as martyred souls in heaven because during this time he writes "a thousand years" they "lived and reigned with Christ" while alive in bodies of flesh and blood on this earth.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

You appear to believe they will be martyred after living and reigning with Christ for ONE thousand literal/physical years on this MORTAL/CORRUPTIBLE earth?

 

[rwb]

is the mount of olives split in 2?

Spiritually, yes, the mount has spiritually split! Divided between those who look to a physical mountain and those who understand Mt. Zion of God where the spirits of just man are made perfect. Don't be like the Pharisee's of Old who cling to a physical mount olive (Jerusalem of Old) missing Mt Zion of God where we, the assembly of saints spiritually dwell with angels in heavenly Jerusalem when we have been born again.

Hebrews 12:18 (KJV) For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Revelation 21:10 (KJV) And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

 

[PinSeeker]

Two things:

Number 1:

There is no place for anti-semitism or discrimination against any human being of any ethnicity, for that matter. But physical Israel and God's Israel are two different... entities. God's Israel includes many ethnic Jews, but a true Jew of God is not necessarily ethnically Jewish. Paul is very clear about this in Romans 2:28-29, Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:25-26.​

Number 2:

God does not say, "Behold, I am making all new things." God does, however, say, "Behold, I am making all things new." (Revelation 21:5) This is a very important distinction. <smile>​

Grace and peace to all.

 

[pandaflower]

Zechariah's prophesy was fulfilled when Christ walked THIS earth a man!

Jesus was God made flesh when he walked this Earth.

 

[shepherdsword]

They were martyred for their faithfulness unto death! That means in life, before they were martyred (beheaded) for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, and did not receive the mark of the beast upon their foreheads or in their hands is when "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." John sees them as martyred souls in heaven because during this time he writes "a thousand years" they "lived and reigned with Christ" while alive in bodies of flesh and blood on this earth.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

You appear to believe they will be martyred after living and reigning with Christ for ONE thousand literal/physical years on this MORTAL/CORRUPTIBLE earth?

That's what I said: they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.