John 6 Was Jesus speaking literally

[nedsk]

So on another thread about OSAS a discussion has been raging about John 6. Is Jesus speaking literally when he says "Amen Amen I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you do not have life within you. Whoever feeds upon my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day".

Now this is kind of thought experiment. For this discussion we're going to assume Jesus was not speaking literally. With that in mind the experiment is:

What specific words do you think Jesus would have used if he was speaking literally?

Please don't use the l, Jesus would never say such a thing, argument as that's lazy both intellectually and theologically. Please be specific in your replies. Thank you in advance and I'm looking forward to the responses

 

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What specific words do you think Jesus would have used if

Interesting question. What would Jesus say if He meant something else. He didn't. This is a "Gotcha" thread.

It's all answered here:

John 6:61-63 KJV
61) When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62) What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Much love!

 

[nedsk]

Interesting question. What would Jesus say if He meant something else. He didn't.

It's all answered here:

John 6:61-63 KJV
61) When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62) What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Much love!

Lol Im disappointed but not surprise. I dont really think anyone will actually answer it. But that's not the question before you. If you're afraid to answer it just say so. This is what I mean by intellectual and theological laziness. It's been conceded for this argument that Jesus wasnt speaking literally, AGAIN the question is what words would Jesus have used if he did mean it literally?

 

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This is what I mean by intellectual and theological laziness.

Personally I think this is intellectual foolishness, but have at it. If you are afraid, don't be afraid!

Much love!

 

[PS95]

Hi nedsk,
I haven't read other threads on this, but I can offer you my perspective. If I understand you properly you are asking if Jesus was teaching cannibalism, to literally eat him? Of course not. That is what those who didn't fully trust in Him thought which is why they turned away from Him.
Jesus was speaking about his death and shedding of His blood for forgiveness of sins. His Flesh represents sacrifice and sustenance & the blood represents atonement and life. To the Jews there this was offensive because they were not to drink blood or eat flesh. Jesus taught us that- Matt 11:15-29
Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”
13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”
15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”
16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

Clearly, what we eat can't defile us. It goes without saying then, that what we eat can't make us holy either. It all goes into the stomach and into the sewer.

Jesus asked us to partake of communion ( his flesh- the bread and the wine- his blood) in remembrance of Him in all four gospels.
It's symbolic and we are proclaiming His death for us until he comes.

Paul reiterated Jesus' point twice in
1 Cor 11:24-25
and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

1 Cor 11:26
For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.


It's both solemn and serious and also celebratory & hopeful in expectation. We don't do this lightly but introspectively and by examining ourselves and looking to the Lord our only hope.
The ritual itself is symbolic of a spiritual promise. We are remembering what the Lord did for us at Calvary by giving Himself for our sins, His victory over death and sin for us, and we await His return where he will judge the living and the dead and save those who eagerly await Him. There is very real meaning here for all believers- His flesh is true food and blood true drink. We feed off of the Word of God in faith and we live because He offered His flesh for our sakes- and we live due to His blood shed. In the OT the symbol of life was in the blood and in Jesus' blood is found our very life. There is no true sustenance or life in any other. He is where we find forgiveness of our sins and eternal life.

 

[nedsk]

Personally I think this is intellectual foolishness, but have at it. If you are afraid, don't be afraid!

Much love!

I'm not the one avoiding the the question. You and I both know why you won't answer it.

 

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I'm not the one avoiding the the question. You and I both know why you won't answer it.

Really? Because I find it foolishness, that's why I'm not answers. What are you presuming of me?? Seriously, what do you think?

How shall we answer your question?

"And Jesus replied, taking up a knife, and carving a morsel from His forearm, handed it to them, saying, really, you have eat Me . . ."

Foolishness! Utter foolishness.

Much love!

 

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Hi nedsk,
I haven't read other threads on this, but I can offer you my perspective. If I understand you properly you are asking if Jesus was teaching cannibalism, to literally eat him? Of course not.

He's asking, what would Jesus have said if He had in fact been teaching cannibalism.

Much love!

 

[dak]

So on another thread about OSAS a discussion has been raging about John 6. Is Jesus speaking literally when he says "Amen Amen I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you do not have life within you. Whoever feeds upon my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day".

Now this is kind of thought experiment. For this discussion we're going to assume Jesus was not speaking literally. With that in mind the experiment is:

What specific words do you think Jesus would have used if he was speaking literally?

Please don't use the l, Jesus would never say such a thing, argument as that's lazy both intellectually and theologically. Please be specific in your replies. Thank you in advance and I'm looking forward to the responses

Lol Im disappointed but not surprise. I dont really think anyone will actually answer it. But that's not the question before you. If you're afraid to answer it just say so. This is what I mean by intellectual and theological laziness. It's been conceded for this argument that Jesus wasnt speaking literally, AGAIN the question is what words would Jesus have used if he did mean it literally?

Most likely this Gospel also was written in either Hebrew or Aramaic, (like Matthew), and thus the answer would be that he would have said the same exact thing. The reason why is the same as the following warning from Mosheh about how we read and understand what the scripture sets before us.

Deuteronomy 30:11-20 KJV
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? [Rom 10:6]
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? [Rom 10:7]
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. [Rom 10:8]
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Everyone who reads the Torah, (and all of the scripture), has a choice to make on how they read and understand it and even this the Master himself warns us about:

Luke 8:18 KJV
18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

H1319-H1320 basar ~ body, flesh, (noun), but also good news, (noun), and to herald good news (verb).

As for blood:

There is the blood of animals and living creatures, there is the blood of mankind, etc., but there is also the blood of grapes: and the pure blood of the grape, (Deut 32:14 KJV), is chamar/chemar/chemer, (H2560, H2516, H2564, rendered as pure in some translations but it refers to a think boiling down of the grape juice more like the thickness of bitumen. During the cooking process the blood of the grape is mixed with acacia-shiyttim tree sap and lamp-black, (charcoal), for making the most ancient ink recipe which was used for writing scripture, the Word, on scroll parchment or vellum, (in the beginning, only lamb skins). Moreover what is it that the Master says is his blood of the covenant in the Pesakh Seder companion passages? (the fruit of the vine, of course). His Testimony is Spirit, (as quoted by another poster above), and we are all made to drink from that same one Spirit because his Testimony is the new Spirit of the renewed covenant foretold in Ezekiel the Prophet, (Eze 11:19-20, Eze 36:25-27, see also John 7:39 but do not add to what is written in the Greek text, as so many errant translators do).

Thus, because the same words would be used in Hebrew: the reader had a choice to make in how they read what they read and how they heard what they heard from statement of the Master referenced in your OP, but that was before it was rendered into Greek, where now this Torah principle from Mosheh cannot be seen, perceived, or understood from the Greek text.

My preliminary study on this went this way:

G2098 ευαγγελιον ~ search various forms in the LXX-Septuagint to find any possible links in Hebrew.......

.......Hey, waddaya know, H1319 basar, good knews, good tidings: 2Sam 4:10, 2Sam 18-27, 1Kngs 1:42, 2Kngs 7:9, Psa 68:11, Psa 96:2, Isa 40:9!!!!!!!

Okay, there are more, but Yeshayah 40:9 is enough for me:

Isaiah 40:9 KJV
9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, [H1319 basar] get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, [H1319 basar] lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!

Well, okay, one more:

Isaiah 52:7 KJV
7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, [H1319 basar] that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings [H1319 basar] of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

Flesh, (basar), is eaten with the mouth. The good news, (basar), is consumed with spiritual ears and eyes that hear, see, and understand the Gospel, (Good News). The true Gospel begins in Deut 30 quoted above: for the Master only preaches the Life and the Good, and not the death which is perceived by those who do not understand the Torah, for as Mosheh warned, choose life!

 

[nedsk]

Really? Because I find it foolishness, that's why I'm not answers. What are you presuming of me?? Seriously, what do you think?

How shall we answer your question?

"And Jesus replied, taking up a knife, and carving a morsel from His forearm, handed it to them, saying, really, you have eat Me . . ."

Foolishness! Utter foolishness.

Much love!

So you think those words would have convinced you more that he was speaking literally than the words he actually used? You're anger betrays you.

 

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So you think those words would have convinced you more that he was speaking literally than the words he actually used? You're anger betrays you.

I don't think He was speaking literally, He said Himself that He was speaking spiritually.

Play with hypotheticals all you like, but it won't get you closer to truth. That's the thing about hypotheticals. They are not real, and the author can turn them any way they wish.

And as far as being angry, are you feeling anger and projecting it onto me? You obviously don't know anything about me.

Why is it that so many play this "emotionalism" card? Don't you know I'll know how I feel? Or is it just bluster for others, hoping to marginalize my posts?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Most likely this Gospel also was written in either Hebrew or Aramaic, (like Matthew), and thus the answer would be that he would have said the same exact thing. The reason why is the same as the following warning from Mosheh about how we read and understand what the scripture sets before us.

Deuteronomy 30:11-20 KJV
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? [Rom 10:6]
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? [Rom 10:7]
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. [Rom 10:8]
15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Everyone who reads the Torah, (and all of the scripture), has a choice to make on how they read and understand it and even this the Master himself warns us about:

Luke 8:18 KJV
18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.

H1319-H1320 basar ~ body, flesh, (noun), but also good news, (noun), and to herald good news (verb).

As for blood:

There is the blood of animals and living creatures, there is the blood of mankind, etc., but there is also the blood of grapes: and the pure blood of the grape, (Deut 32:14 KJV), is chamar/chemar/chemer, (H2560, H2516, H2564, rendered as pure in some translations but it refers to a think boiling down of the grape juice more like the thickness of bitumen. During the cooking process the blood of the grape is mixed with acacia-shiyttim tree sap and lamp-black, (charcoal), for making the most ancient ink recipe which was used for writing scripture, the Word, on scroll parchment or vellum, (in the beginning, only lamb skins). Moreover what is it that the Master says is his blood of the covenant in the Pesakh Seder companion passages? (the fruit of the vine, of course). His Testimony is Spirit, (as quoted by another poster above), and we are all made to drink from that same one Spirit because his Testimony is the new Spirit of the renewed covenant foretold in Ezekiel the Prophet, (Eze 11:19-20, Eze 36:25-27, see also John 7:39 but do not add to what is written in the Greek text, as so many errant translators do).

Thus, because the same words would be used in Hebrew: the reader had a choice to make in how they read what they read and how they heard what they heard from statement of the Master referenced in your OP, but that was before it was rendered into Greek, where now this Torah principle from Mosheh cannot be seen, perceived, or understood from the Greek text.

My preliminary study on this went this way:

G2098 ευαγγελιον ~ search various forms in the LXX-Septuagint to find any possible links in Hebrew.......

.......Hey, waddaya know, H1319 basar, good knews, good tidings: 2Sam 4:10, 2Sam 18-27, 1Kngs 1:42, 2Kngs 7:9, Psa 68:11, Psa 96:2, Isa 40:9!!!!!!!

Okay, there are more, but Yeshayah 40:9 is enough for me:

Isaiah 40:9 KJV
9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, [H1319 basar] get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, [H1319 basar] lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!

Well, okay, one more:

Isaiah 52:7 KJV
7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, [H1319 basar] that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings [H1319 basar] of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

Flesh, (basar), is eaten with the mouth. The good news, (basar), is consumed with spiritual ears and eyes that hear, see, and understand the Gospel, (Good News). The true Gospel begins in Deut 30 quoted above: for the Master only preaches the Life and the Good, and not the death which is perceived by those who do not understand the Torah, for as Mosheh warned, choose life!

Just a question to clarify . . . are you surmising which Hebrew or Aramaic word was written by Matthew and that was then translated to Koine Greek, and then are basing your conclusions on the Hebrew or Aramaic word you surmised that Jesus used?

Much love!

 

[PS95]

He's asking, what would Jesus have said if He had in fact been teaching cannibalism.

Much love!

OH. I suppose he would have handed out forks..

 

[dak]

Just a question to clarify . . . are you surmising which Hebrew or Aramaic word was written by Matthew and that was then translated to Koine Greek, and then are basing your conclusions on the Hebrew or Aramaic word you surmised that Jesus used?

Much love!

I am simply strongly suggesting that John was likely also written in either Hebrew or Aramaic just as was Matthew. There are logical reason for this, for example Kepha is either Hebrew or Aramaic, and the same is true with "Messias" employed several times in the Gospel of John, and which appears to be Aramaic transliterated directly into Greek, (but it may also be Hebrew transliterated into Greek and given a case ending).

So if what I have said in the previous post is correct then the words for flesh and good news would have been the same in a Hebrew or (Biblical) Aramaic text. Likewise the word for blood would have been the same either way in a Hebrew or Aramaic text because the word is applied to both animal blood and human blood, but is also used for the blood of the grape.

 

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I am simply strongly suggesting that John was likely also written in either Hebrew or Aramaic just as was Matthew. There are logical reason for this, for example Kepha is either Hebrew or Aramaic, and the same is true with "Messias" employed several times in the Gospel of John, and which appears to be Aramaic transliterated directly into Greek, (but it may also be Hebrew transliterated into Greek and given a case ending).

So if what I have said in the previous post is correct then the words for flesh and good news would have been the same in a Hebrew or (Biblical) Aramaic text. Likewise the word for blood would have been the same either way in a Hebrew or Aramaic text because the word is applied to both animal blood and human blood, but is also used for the blood of the grape.

I've known others who do the same thing. But surmising what other word may have been written first, and then coming to conclusions based on that, well, what if you were to surmise a different word? Doesn't this mean it's just your own opinion based on something that could be true but may not be?

Personally I believe the inspiration of the Koine Greek Gospel of Matthew, and base my studies on that.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So on another thread about OSAS a discussion has been raging about John 6.

Your in error. It is not an OSAS discussion, it is a discussion on John 6

Is Jesus speaking literally when he says "Amen Amen I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you do not have life within you. Whoever feeds upon my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him up on the last day".

Now this is kind of thought experiment. For this discussion we're going to assume Jesus was not speaking literally. With that in mind the experiment is:

What specific words do you think Jesus would have used if he was speaking literally?

Please don't use the l, Jesus would never say such a thing, argument as that's lazy both intellectually and theologically. Please be specific in your replies. Thank you in advance and I'm looking forward to the responses

Lets see what Jesus said

Here is what Jesus said.

the whole conversation

John 6.

26 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ ”
32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
41 The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.” 42 And they said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, ‘I have come down from heaven’?”
43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”
52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.
60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.

why do you want to focus on 7 words. jesus said alot here

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not the one avoiding the the question. You and I both know why you won't answer it.

He did answer it, You just do not like his answer.

 

[dak]

I've known others who do the same thing. But surmising what other word may have been written first, and then coming to conclusions based on that, well, what if you were to surmise a different word? Doesn't this mean it's just your own opinion based on something that could be true but may not be?

Personally I believe the inspiration of the Koine Greek Gospel of Matthew, and base my studies on that.

Much love!

My initial reply matches the passage perfectly. First, the Yhudim of the passage take the words of the Master literally-physically, and therefore chose death, (again, Deut 30:19), and thus they are offended: but what does Peter say at the end of the discussion?

John 6:66-69 KJV
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

So then, although Peter may not have yet completely understood the statements about eating his flesh and drinking his blood, still yet he heard and understood the statement which was just spoken to them, (the disciples), from the Master, which is just a few verses before.

John 6:60-63 KJV
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

I wondered for a long time if there might be an unnoticed underlying reason, (on my own part), why the Master included life in the above statement: then I remembered the admonishment of Mosheh in Deut 30:19, choose Life!, which is to choose the Spirit and the spiritual, for the flesh (physical) profits nothing, especially in doctrine, and we know that the Torah is spiritual, (Rom 7:14a). Those who choose the natural-carnal minded understandings of the Torah choose death.

 

[nedsk]

I don't think He was speaking literally, He said Himself that He was speaking spiritually.

Play with hypotheticals all you like, but it won't get you closer to truth. That's the thing about hypotheticals. They are not real, and the author can turn them any way they wish.

And as far as being angry, are you feeling anger and projecting it onto me? You obviously don't know anything about me.

Why is it that so many play this "emotionalism" card? Don't you know I'll know how I feel? Or is it just bluster for others, hoping to marginalize my posts?

Much love!

Why can't you just answer the questions? We know why because your have to admit Jesus is speaking literally. For 1500 years the church taught Jesus sas present in the Eucharist but somehow you know you better. Lol

 

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We know why because your have to admit

Now you are just having a conversation with yourself. Maybe it's time to go outside and play?

Anyway, you seem to know so much about me, but you don't seem to know what I think of your topic.

Much love!