Jesus is God

[Hiddenthings]

I can discuss it with some. I think there are 3 types of Uni's.. but not with ones who deny Jesus' preexistence.
I find them to be incorrigible

It's because you fail to understand the mind of Christ and force your T dogmas onto every word he speaks. It's a terrible blight and eats like canker at your mind.

It’s evident throughout your posts, and your use of Hebrews 2 was a particularly poor example of misinterpreting the truth being conveyed. I could point you to many similar passages, but I know the more evidence I show, the more you retreat into the safety of creedal dogmas.

In the end we can't even discuss the text because you are so far away from its meaning.

 

[Hiddenthings]

God created all things by Jesus Christ

True, but it's the how which evades them.

 

[Muna]

It's because you fail to understand the mind of Christ and force your T dogmas onto every word he speaks. It's a terrible blight and eats like canker at your mind.

You are certainly one to talk

 

[Muna]

True, but it's the how which evades them.

Why are you an ass?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Why are you an ass?

I guess as the saying goes "it takes one to know one"...but if "the how" is unknown to you and you think you know - explain, otherwise do what you do best.

 

[Muna]

I guess as the saying goes "it takes one to know one"...but if "the how" is unknown to you and you think you know - explain, otherwise do what you do best.

What is this "in your face" I dare you way about you that you carry around with you push yourself forward on everyone with, its a bad approach.

 

[Hiddenthings]

What is this "in your face" I dare you way about you that you carry around with you push yourself forward on everyone with, its a bad approach.

When someone cannot clearly explain their hope or make sense of it, desperation often leads them to resort to name-calling. As an example, PS misquoted Hebrews 2 out of ignorance, but instead of acknowledging the mistake and admitting, “Yes, it does emphasize that Jesus did not have divine nature,” they only dug themselves deeper, ultimately being buried under their own pride.

Do you know how many times I've seen this behavior in this forum? More than anyone should!

 

[PS95]

As I mentioned to PS, who is still struggling with the embarrassment of being unable to prove hypostasis, any further attempt is futile. It is far better to acknowledge this honestly and work faithfully with the Scriptures we do have, rather than inserting concepts that are unbiblical.

You are a twisted person HT. It's as if I am speaking with a bold faced liar.
I told you it is a complete waste of time to discuss hypostasis with someone who INSISTS that Jesus had no pre-existence.
Does that make a lick of sense to you? Not much does so probably not..
You deny the plain words of the Lord, and you look for everything to be hidden and you fall on your face because of it.

Jesus was speaking PLAINLY and you reject Him John 16-
25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

29His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. 30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. 31Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?


Go and pray about this and stop your nonsense. I will not cast another pearl. The good Lord said not to.

 

[ProDeo]

This response is a case in point. Instead of engaging with the many passages of Scripture that speak directly to Christ’s true nature, you bypass them and focus only on his glorified state, which does nothing to bring you closer to the truth.

I don't deny Jesus was fully human, neither do I deny His life with the Father before the world existed.

Imagine we are talking about the theme love and you keep taking me to verses on hatred.

That's effectively what you are doing...and I think you know it.

Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own.
-- Jonathan Swift

 

[Hiddenthings]

You are a twisted person HT. It's as if I am speaking with a bold faced liar.
I told you it is a complete waste of time to discuss hypostasis with someone who INSISTS that Jesus had no pre-existence.
Does that make a lick of sense to you? Not much does so probably not..
You deny the plain words of the Lord, and you look for everything to be hidden and you fall on your face because of it.

Jesus was speaking PLAINLY and you reject Him John 16-
25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

29His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. 30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. 31Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?


Go and pray about this and stop your nonsense. I will not cast another pearl. The good Lord said not to.

You have no pearls to offer—that’s the core issue. Even now, you cannot cite a single verse about Jesus’ nature.

Not one. Do you know why?

I do.

In fact, each time you distance yourself from the Apostles’ understanding of Christ’s true nature, you reveal your lack of spiritual wisdom on the matter.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I don't deny Jesus was fully human, neither do I deny His life with the Father before the world existed.

Okay, so you step a little closer to the Master but then you take three steps back. I watch with anticipation.

Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own.
-- Jonathan Swift

Now if you were able to apply the truth of what PS and you are doing then and only then can we enter the subject.

Misusing (your quote) to excuse criticism or deflect self-reflection misses the heart of what he was saying!

Perhaps you and PS should regroup and approach the topic of Christ’s nature from the starting point the Apostles used?

Just a thought!

 

[ProDeo]

Paul addresses this frequently in his writings. He understood that Christ bore the penalty of sin in his own body, which is why we read passages declaring that he “died to sin once” and was even “made sin.” Only a correct grasp of Christ’s nature can lead to a right understanding of the atonement. While PS asserts one position, the verses themselves teach another, further proving my original point about the impossibility of establishing hypostasis.

I asked you (with your spiritual knowledge in mind) how it can be a human can live sinless as He did.

It can not.

Rom 3:10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;

Except Jesus because His origin is divine.

Or do you really think a mere human can take away the sins of the world?

Oh wait, it's what you haven chosen to believe.

Lack of Spiritual insight my friend.

 

[Muna]

Okay, so you step a little closer to the Master but then you take three steps back. I watch with anticipation.

Heres that life coach again, sheesh

 

[Hiddenthings]

You are a twisted person HT. It's as if I am speaking with a bold faced liar.
I told you it is a complete waste of time to discuss hypostasis with someone who INSISTS that Jesus had no pre-existence.
Does that make a lick of sense to you? Not much does so probably not..
You deny the plain words of the Lord, and you look for everything to be hidden and you fall on your face because of it.

Jesus was speaking PLAINLY and you reject Him John 16-
25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

29His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. 30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. 31Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?


Go and pray about this and stop your nonsense. I will not cast another pearl. The good Lord said not to.

Out of interest PS - if I asked you what the context was to the Masters words here would you say he was teaching to the subject of pre-existence?

Be honest.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I asked you (with your spiritual knowledge in mind) how it can be a human can live sinless as He did.

It can not.

Can I ask why?

Rom 3:10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;

And yet the Law cursed Jesus as a sinner. Galatians 3:13

Except Jesus because His origin is divine.

The Master's beginning was by the Power of the Holy Spirit and spoke nothing of him pre-existing or being given divine nature.

Or do you really think a mere human can take away the sins of the world?

A sinless human can.

Lack of Spiritual insight my friend.

It's the spiritual I am showing you!

 

[HealthyShape]

Just means he was born of a woman just like you. Same nature just like you.

But it was not His only nature.

"No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known."
J 1:18

"Who [Jesus], existing in the form of God, did not consider to be equal with God something to be grasped"
Phil 2:6

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form"
Col 2:9

 

[Hiddenthings]

But it was not His only nature.

"No one has ever yet seen God. The only begotten God, the One being in the bosom of the Father, He has made Him known."
J 1:18

"Who [Jesus], existing in the form of God, did not consider to be equal with God something to be grasped"
Phil 2:6

"For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form"
Col 2:9

Speaking to his glorified state.

We are talking about his nature as the Son of Man - the Apostles spoke a lot on this subject but those in this thread, cannot.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I'm waiting for them to quote a single verse on his nature and nothing so far. Plenty of notion forcing on John! But that's all folks!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Here is a verse which speaks to Christ's nature:

Romans 6:9: "We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him."

How did death have dominion over Jesus?

 

[HealthyShape]

Speaking to his glorified state.

We are talking about his nature as the Son of Man - the Apostles spoke a lot on this subject but those in this thread, cannot.

He is both the Son of God and the Son of Man.

The Son of God from eternity, the Son of Man since incarnation.