Is it possible to lose salvation?

[pandaflower]

“…if we deny him, he also will deny us…” (2Ti 2:12, KJV)

No. That doesn't pertain to the Saved who are irrevocably saved.

You would learn a lot about Christians if you looked up the definition of, irrevocable.

You are free to insist Christians are not eternally secure in Christ.

You're wrong. Yet, you are free to continue to be wrong.

God is not a man that he should lie.

His salvation of us as individuals is eternal and irrevocable. Not transitory and impermenant.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I don't see where that says the seal of God's Holy Spirit will be retracted and they shall be damned to die in their sins again.

You don’t want to see, that’s all.

“Cut off” means separation from all the benefits bestowed from God, which would obviously include retraction of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“…if we deny him, he also will deny us…” (2Ti 2:12, KJV)

No. That doesn't pertain to the Saved who are irrevocably saved.

“Us” are the saved.

You rather believe a feel good false doctrine than to be trained in the fear of God by the word.

 

[pandaflower]

You don’t want to see, that’s all.

It's a tragedy how you insist Jesus failed and Christians are not eternally Saved the way Jesus said.
You're calling him a false teacher is part of your nature you fail to see.

“Cut off” means separation from all the benefits bestowed from God, which would obviously include retraction of the Holy Spirit.

Obviously? How absurd.
When Jesus says we are eternally irrevocably saved,you are obviously misrepresenting the truth of God in Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't see where that says the seal of God's Holy Spirit will be retracted and they shall be damned to die in their sins again.

they can not see how they reject the cross. and try to replace it with their works.

Judaism in the modern sense is what I call it.

 

[pandaflower]

“Us” are the saved.

You rather believe a feel good false doctrine than to be trained in the fear of God by the word.

The falsehood is you.
You should study. Rather than work ,and fail, to assail the Gospel.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Rom 11:22, KJV)

Spoken to the gentile church, Not induvidual believers

Pray tell, what are “the gentile church” being cut off from in his scripture?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“Us” are the saved.

You rather believe a feel good false doctrine than to be trained in the fear of God by the word.

maybe maybe not

John answers this question.

Who are those that deny him. What are they called?

What did John say?

1 John 2: 22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

and what does he say about these people

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

does it say they lost salvation? Of course not. It says they were never saved.

God is omniscient, he does not make mistakes.. He knows who truly believes and who are make believers.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Pray tell, what are “the gentile church” being cut off from in his scripture?

Pray tell. what did Israel get cut off from?

can you understand context?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You don’t want to see, that’s all.

“Cut off” means separation from all the benefits bestowed from God, which would obviously include retraction of the Holy Spirit.

yes from benefits. Anyone who goes into church recieved benefits. its called blessing by association.

if they leave, they leave those benefits.

 

[pandaflower]

they can not see how they reject the cross. and try to replace it with their works.

Judaism in the modern sense is what I call it.

Humanism.
The artificial, I Am....saving myself by choice.


Naturally,when egocentrism lives that way it must also I still the idea the sufferer can equally choose not to save themselves. Self-criticism,self-policing, self-absorbed.


It takes a lot though to,in the coarse of such a pursuit,to call Jesus a liar.

He doesn't forget that.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's a tragedy how you insist Jesus failed and Christians are not eternally Saved the way Jesus said.
You're calling him a false teacher is part of your nature you fail to see.



Obviously? How absurd.
When Jesus says we are eternally irrevocably saved,you are obviously misrepresenting the truth of God in Christ.

its sad he thinks God fails..

Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

They can not remove self from the equation. that is why they can not be confident that God will continue what he started..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Humanism.
The artificial, I Am....saving myself by choice.


Naturally,when egocentrism lives that way it must also I still the idea the sufferer can equally choose not to save themselves. Self-criticism,self-policing, self-absorbed.


It takes a lot though to,in the coarse of such a pursuit,to call Jesus a liar.

He doesn't forget that.

He will still forgive if they repent

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Peter denied him three times.. Did Jesus deny peter?

Peter was not saved when he denied the Lord.

In fact, none of the disciples were saved until Jesus appeared to them…

For:

“Afterward [Jesus] appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.” (Mrk 16:14, KJV)

Now produce a scripture where Peter denied the Lord after this…

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Peter was not saved when he denied the Lord.

Yes he was..lol Now your really out there.. Jesus said he would not lose anyone. peter is included in that..

In fact, none of the disciples were saved until Jesus appeared to them…

For:

“Afterward [Jesus] appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.” (Mrk 16:14, KJV)

Now produce a scripture where Peter denied the Lord after this…

lol.

Using this argument, King David or moses was not saved either.

try again

John 6 shows Peter believed he was the messiah..

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Pray tell. what did Israel get cut off from?

From salvation.

From which the believers are also being threatened to be cut off from, unless::

“…thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Rom 11:22, KJV)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Peter was not saved when he denied the Lord.

In fact, none of the disciples were saved until Jesus appeared to them…

For:

“Afterward [Jesus] appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.” (Mrk 16:14, KJV)

Yes he was..lol Now your really out there..

Sir, you cannot be saved without believing the gospel (which includes the resurrection).

Are you suggesting that one can be saved in unbelief?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

maybe maybe not

John answers this question.

Who are those that deny him. What are they called?

What did John say?

1 John 2: 22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

and what does he say about these people

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

does it say they lost salvation? Of course not. It says they were never saved.

God is omniscient, he does not make mistakes.. He knows who truly believes and who are make believers.

Now you are desperately bouncing around unrelated scriptures to remain in your delusional state…

 

[Michiah-Imla]

you insist Jesus failed and Christians are not eternally Saved

I did no such thing.

If you return to a life of willful sin and loose your salvation YOU FAILED, not Jesus.

 

[LoveYeshua]

How unfortunate you appreciate that what denies the Gospel.

you are the one who denies and twist the gospel of Christ, it is well known on this forum.