Survey - Is Repentance important to salvation?

[bdavidc]

Repentance: The Forgotten Command That Determines Eternity

The missing word in today’s Gospel is repentance. When was the last time you heard someone preach repentance? If you had to guess, it’s been a long time for most of us. But flip open the Bible and you’ll find the word on every page. John the Baptist preached, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matthew 3:2). Jesus began His earthly ministry with nothing other than these words (Matthew 4:17). The apostles preached it, the early church lived it, and heaven itself exults when one sinner repents (Luke 15:7). Repentance is not some minor theme of the Bible. It is at the very center of the gospel.

So what does repentance really mean? The New Testament word for repent, metanoia, refers to a change of mind that results in a change of direction. It’s not just feeling bad about your sin. It’s turning from sin and turning to God. Paul described it to the Thessalonians: “You turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God” (1 Thessalonians 1:9). That’s repentance in action, not just regret but a total shift in loyalty.

Repentance and faith are not two steps. They are two sides of the same coin. To truly believe in Jesus is to turn from sin. To truly repent is to put your trust in Him. Peter’s sermon on Pentecost made this abundantly clear: “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38). Faith without repentance is a hollow life and repentance without faith is a life of despair. Together they make up the biblical response to the gospel.

But repentance is not just words. It is something we should see manifested in a changed life. John the Baptist told his hearers to “bring forth fruits in keeping with repentance” (Luke 3:8). The crowd asked, “What then should we do?” And his answer was startlingly practical: share with those in need, stop robbing people, be satisfied with what you have (Luke 3:10–14). Repentance is not merely an inward feeling. It results in outward change. Paul puts it this way: “Repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance” (Acts 26:20).

In my observation, this is where most modern preaching is lacking. People are told over and over that belief in Jesus doesn’t mean anything has to change, and yet Jesus never preached such a message. In fact, He was crystal clear that this is not the way of salvation: “Unless you repent, you will all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). The call of the gospel is not just to add Jesus to your life. It is to turn your life over to Him. It is to deny yourself, take up your cross daily, and follow after Him (Luke 9:23).

And here’s the good news: repentance itself is a gift from God. In Romans 2: 4, Paul says, “The goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance.” God does not expect us to clean ourselves up before coming to Him. He works in us to produce true repentance that leads to life. That’s why 2 Peter 3: 9 says He is patient, “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

True repentance changes lives. It’s not just a one-time event at the moment of salvation, though it does begin there. It should also be a way of life as we continually confess our sins and walk in obedience to Christ (1 John 1:9). Genuine repentance is marked by a changed direction, new desires, and a new life that produces fruit for God’s glory.

So here’s the question: have you repented? Have you turned from sin to God in Jesus Christ? This is not about adding religion to your life. It’s about turning from death to life. Jesus is calling you to repent and believe the gospel. This is the only way to be saved.

 

[PS95]

....And... we are to continually put to death the deeds of the flesh by the Spirit!

 

[Taken]

Salvation…is Only gifted (received) unto a man AFTER an accounted bodily Death.

From my studies…
For a man to receive Salvation… while his Body IS mortally Alive…but accounted Dead

The mans Word … from his Hearts’ (not Mind) thoughts…of Repentance and Belief and willingness of his Body to be Crucified with Jesus’ Body…

IS: the protocol For:
That man to Receive his Gift of salvation ONCE and Forever, while mortally alive.

* The mans Body is Accounted Dead.
* The man is Accounted Forgiven For having HAD unbelief.
* The mans Soul is Restored.
* The man is Baptized by the Lamb of God..
* The mans Heart is circumcised.
* The man receives the Seed of God.
* The Seed of God births the mans new Spirit.
* The man receives the “Spirit of Truth.”
* The man is “Risen up”, (often from a water baptism ritual) Accounted a new Creature.
* The man OCCUPIES “Christ Jesus” Glorified Risen Body…Until his own body is Risen Glorified.
* The man is Called:
....IN Christ
….Converted
….Saved
….Born Again
….With the Lord God.
….Christs Church
….Bride of Christ
….mans Name entered INTo the “Lambs Book of Life”
….Prepared; to Serve God
….Prepared; to be Redeemed BY The Lord;
….Raptured
___________

** Any UNSAVED living man…(without the mark of the Beast) who Heart-fully Believes … WITHOUT his Word of Confession having been Given…AND
At the TIME of his mortal Death…
God Shall;
Search that man’s Heart for the mans Truth..
Man HAS Belief?
* His Faith, SHALL save him…
* God Shall forgive him For having HAD unbelief.
* God Shall Bring his “saved soul”, to heaven.
* the mans dead body shall return to the Earth.
* the mans body shall be raised in glory in Gods First Resurrection.


Survey - Is Repentance important to salvation?

Yes…but it is not always verbal…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[bdavidc]

Salvation…is Only gifted (received) unto a man AFTER an accounted bodily Death.

From my studies…
For a man to receive Salvation… while his Body IS mortally Alive…but accounted Dead

The mans Word … from his Hearts’ (not Mind) thoughts…of Repentance and Belief and willingness of his Body to be Crucified with Jesus’ Body…

IS: the protocol For:
That man to Receive his Gift of salvation ONCE and Forever, while mortally alive.

* The mans Body is Accounted Dead.
* The man is Accounted Forgiven For having HAD unbelief.
* The mans Soul is Restored.
* The man is Baptized by the Lamb of God..
* The mans Heart is circumcised.
* The man receives the Seed of God.
* The Seed of God births the mans new Spirit.
* The man receives the “Spirit of Truth.”
* The man is “Risen up”, (often from a water baptism ritual) Accounted a new Creature.
* The man OCCUPIES “Christ Jesus” Glorified Risen Body…Until his own body is Risen Glorified.
* The man is Called:
....IN Christ
….Converted
….Saved
….Born Again
….With the Lord God.
….Christs Church
….Bride of Christ
….mans Name entered INTo the “Lambs Book of Life”
….Prepared; to Serve God
….Prepared; to be Redeemed BY The Lord;
….Raptured
___________

** Any UNSAVED living man…(without the mark of the Beast) who Heart-fully Believes … WITHOUT his Word of Confession having been Given…AND
At the TIME of his mortal Death…
God Shall;
Search that man’s Heart for the mans Truth..
Man HAS Belief?
* His Faith, SHALL save him…
* God Shall forgive him For having HAD unbelief.
* God Shall Bring his “saved soul”, to heaven.
* the mans dead body shall return to the Earth.
* the mans body shall be raised in glory in Gods First Resurrection.


Survey - Is Repentance important to salvation?

Yes…but it is not always verbal…

Glory to God,
Taken

I sure don’t know what you’ve been studying, but it’s not what the Bible says. Salvation does not come after death or some mystical “accounted death.” The Bible is clear: “Now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation” (2 Corinthians 6:2). We must repent and believe while we are alive, not after we die. When a person dies their destiny is determined: “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). There is no searching of the heart after death for some hidden belief to be found.

Salvation is by repentance and faith in Christ right now. “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). “If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved” (Romans 10:9). That is not a secret, silent process, it is turning from sin to God and confessing Christ openly.

Your list of steps may sound nice and spiritual, but it’s mixing man’s ideas into what God has already revealed in very clear terms. The gospel is not complicated. Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:3–4). Whoever repents and believes this has forgiveness and eternal life right now (Acts 3:19, John 5:24).

So yes, repentance is absolutely essential to salvation, but not the convoluted way you describe. It is a change of heart and direction that turns to Christ in faith. Anything else is a different gospel, and Paul warned those who preached such a message are accursed (Galatians 1:8–9).

 

[Pierac]

Repentance is the visible fruit of salvation... Salvation is of God and God alone!

NASB Eph 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

NASB Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws (Gk. DRAGS) him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
CEV Joh 6:44 No one can come to me, unless the Father who sent me makes them want to come. But if they do come, I will raise them to life on the last day.

NASB Rom 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to
those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?

NASB Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

ESV Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for
dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his
power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'"

NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

CEV Act 13:48 This message made the Gentiles glad, and they praised what they had heard about the Lord. Everyone who had been chosen for eternal life then put their faith in the Lord.

These verses are not about heaven or hell.... but the 1000 year reign, the coming kingdom.

 

[bdavidc]

Repentance is the visible fruit of salvation... Salvation is of God and God alone!

NASB Eph 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

NASB Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws (Gk. DRAGS) him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
CEV Joh 6:44 No one can come to me, unless the Father who sent me makes them want to come. But if they do come, I will raise them to life on the last day.

NASB Rom 8:28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to
those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?

NASB Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

ESV Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for
dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his
power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'"

NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

CEV Act 13:48 This message made the Gentiles glad, and they praised what they had heard about the Lord. Everyone who had been chosen for eternal life then put their faith in the Lord.

These verses are not about heaven or hell.... but the 1000 year reign, the coming kingdom.

You say these passages are only about the 1,000 year reign, not heaven or hell. This position is not tenable with Scripture. The Bible is clear that repentance and faith are required for salvation, and that the verses you quoted are concerned with eternal life, not kingdom rewards. “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). Repentance is not just fruit of salvation, but is integral to the call of the gospel itself, yoked with faith as the appropriate response to God (Acts 20:21). Jesus also said in John 6:44, “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” That is resurrection unto eternal life, not a blessing for the millennium. Romans 8:29–30 speaks of God’s perfect work of salvation: foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification, and glorification. These are eternal realities that secure our status before God for all eternity. Ephesians 2:8–9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.” Acts 13:48 does not say those chosen for a temporary reign believed, it says, “as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” To reduce that to a 1,000-year kingdom demeans the text and twists what God clearly said. Yes, the millennium is real and is taught in Revelation 20. But these verses are speaking of eternal salvation itself, whether a soul is forgiven, justified, and given everlasting life through Christ. The real issue is life or death, heaven or hell.

FYI: The CEV is not biblically faithful and trustworthy. It is not for serious study. It often replaces God’s exact words with man’s interpretations. If you want to know the pure Word of God without distortion, then the CEV falls short. Better choices are the KJV, NKJV, NASB, or ESV, which translate closer to the original text instead of rephrasing for “readability.”

 

[Taken]

I sure don’t know what you’ve been studying,

Gods Truth.

but it’s not what the Bible says.

Disagree.

”Salvation does not come after death”

To which Scripture Says to you:

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

 

[Taken]

We must repent and believe while we are alive, not after we die.

And?

Where did I say What you accuse?

Quote me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

if one has not yet repented. they are still in a state of unbelief. so they can not be saved by grace through faith

 

[Pierac]

You say these passages are only about the 1,000 year reign, not heaven or hell. This position is not tenable with Scripture. The Bible is clear that repentance and faith are required for salvation, and that the verses you quoted are concerned with eternal life, not kingdom rewards. “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). Repentance is not just fruit of salvation, but is integral to the call of the gospel itself, yoked with faith as the appropriate response to God (Acts 20:21). Jesus also said in John 6:44, “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” That is resurrection unto eternal life, not a blessing for the millennium. Romans 8:29–30 speaks of God’s perfect work of salvation: foreknowledge, predestination, calling, justification, and glorification. These are eternal realities that secure our status before God for all eternity. Ephesians 2:8–9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.” Acts 13:48 does not say those chosen for a temporary reign believed, it says, “as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” To reduce that to a 1,000-year kingdom demeans the text and twists what God clearly said. Yes, the millennium is real and is taught in Revelation 20. But these verses are speaking of eternal salvation itself, whether a soul is forgiven, justified, and given everlasting life through Christ. The real issue is life or death, heaven or hell.

FYI: The CEV is not biblically faithful and trustworthy. It is not for serious study. It often replaces God’s exact words with man’s interpretations. If you want to know the pure Word of God without distortion, then the CEV falls short. Better choices are the KJV, NKJV, NASB, or ESV, which translate closer to the original text instead of rephrasing for “readability.”So

So your saying the NASB is better?

Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.


Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient time’s things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,' Or... I will accomplish my WILL!!!

Psa 115:3 Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases.


1Ti 2:3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires 2309 all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

Note: “desires 2309” In 1 Titus 2:4 is assigned Strong’s number 2309 θέλω / ἐθέλω thelō / ethelō Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon Definition: 1) to will, have in mind, intend

Will mans desires overcome Gods??? I think not!!!

1Ti 4:9 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance. 10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. 11 Command and teach these things.

Now... your teaching Satan along with Adam and Eve... made God a failure as 90% of all humanity have never either heard of or accepted Jesus... yet we know... 1Ti 2:3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires 2309 all men to be saved

I guess your God has failed and Satan has taken the majority of humanity against Gods will and/or desire and made Jesus a complete failure???

1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. 20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

1Ti 4:9 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance. 10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. 11 Command and teach these things.

You need to rethink the power of the Blood of Jesus the Christ in relations to God's will!

 

[marks]

True repentance changes lives. It’s not just a one-time event at the moment of salvation, though it does begin there. It should also be a way of life as we continually confess our sins and walk in obedience to Christ (1 John 1:9). Genuine repentance is marked by a changed direction, new desires, and a new life that produces fruit for God’s glory.

Do you consider repentance unto salvation something we need to do continually?

I understand metanoia - repentance - to be a change event, that we are one way before, and a different way after. So that the one who repents - Scripturally - and is reborn, doesn't become "unrepented" later. We are different now.

Do you believe we need to receive forgiveness, as Christians, for sins we commit, as Christians?

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Reader,


Turning from your sins, or repenting of them, is not what God requires to fogive you and give you the new birth "In Christ".

The Correct "repentance" that God requires is for you to repent of your UNBELIEF.

Its unbelief that is damnation, continuing.

= John 3:36

So, to repent or to TURN FROM UNBELIEF, to FAITH in CHRIST........is real Repentance, that God recognizes as : FAITH.

Now, a person who has no understanding of the repentance that God requires, is going to talk about sin and sin and repenting of sin.. = stuck on repeat.

So, look carefully reader..... If you repent of your sin, but you dont trust in Christ, you have repented, and you're just as lost as you were before you repented of all your sin.

Whereas, when you turn from unbelief to FAITH.....when you REPENT of your UNBELIEF......then "while we were yet SINNERS, God saved Us"...

See it?

 

[bdavidc]

And?

Where did I say What you accuse?

Quote me.

You're entire post.

"Salvation…is Only gifted (received) unto a man AFTER an accounted bodily Death."

 

[bdavidc]

So your saying the NASB is better?

Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.


Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient time’s things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,' Or... I will accomplish my WILL!!!

Psa 115:3 Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases.


1Ti 2:3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires 2309 all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

Note: “desires 2309” In 1 Titus 2:4 is assigned Strong’s number 2309 θέλω / ἐθέλω thelō / ethelō Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon Definition: 1) to will, have in mind, intend

Will mans desires overcome Gods??? I think not!!!

1Ti 4:9 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance. 10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. 11 Command and teach these things.

Now... your teaching Satan along with Adam and Eve... made God a failure as 90% of all humanity have never either heard of or accepted Jesus... yet we know... 1Ti 2:3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires 2309 all men to be saved

I guess your God has failed and Satan has taken the majority of humanity against Gods will and/or desire and made Jesus a complete failure???

1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. 20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.

1Ti 4:9 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance. 10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. 11 Command and teach these things.

You need to rethink the power of the Blood of Jesus the Christ in relations to God's will!

Stop trying to change the subject. This is not about which English translation is “better,” it’s about the truth of God’s Word. You are twisting Scripture to fit your false teaching, and in doing so you are lying about what God clearly said. The Bible does not reduce salvation to a temporary 1,000-year reign. Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). The Greek word metanoeō means to turn, to change your mind and direction, not to stay in sin and argue about translations. Without repentance and faith, you perish. That is eternal judgment, not missing out on a reward.

Acts 13: 48 does not say “appointed to a millennium,” it says, “as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” The Greek word tassō means appointed, set in place. Eternal life, not temporary. Romans 8:29–30 is just as clear: those God foreknew, He predestined, called, justified, and glorified. Glorification (doxazō) is eternal glory with Christ, not a 1,000-year phase.

You quote 1 Timothy 2:4 about God’s will for all to be saved, but you ignore the rest of Scripture. The Greek word thelō means to will or to desire. God’s will is perfect, but man resists. Jesus said, “Ye will not (thelō) come to me, that ye might have life” (John 5:40). That’s man’s rebellion, not God’s failure. To claim that Jesus failed because most reject Him is blasphemy. The Bible says, “Our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased” (Psalm 115:3). Christ is no failure. The failure is in unbelieving sinners who resist the truth.

Ephesians 2:8–9 makes it unshakable: “For by grace are ye saved (sōzō—delivered, made whole) through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.” That is eternal salvation, secured by God, not a temporary reign.

Stop twisting Scripture. You are not teaching the gospel, you are perverting it. Paul said, “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:9). Repent of your lies, or you will face God’s wrath.

Your teaching is rooted in universalism and the age-old lie that God’s Word can be bent to fit human reasoning. It’s the same serpent’s tactic, “Yea, hath God said?”, to twist God’s truth, trying to make Him look like a failure, and give sinners a false hope that they can reject Christ and still be fine in the end.

 

[bdavidc]

Do you consider repentance unto salvation something we need to do continually?

I understand metanoia - repentance - to be a change event, that we are one way before, and a different way after. So that the one who repents - Scripturally - and is reborn, doesn't become "unrepented" later. We are different now.

Do you believe we need to receive forgiveness, as Christians, for sins we commit, as Christians?

Much love!

Repentance unto salvation is not something a Christian continually does to remain saved. Scripture is clear, repentance is the one time turning to God that takes place at conversion. "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3). 2 Corinthians 5:17 states, "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature" (when we repent and believe the gospel). That does not get undone every time we sin. What you're trying to do is muddy the waters between repentance unto life with daily confession, but Scripture separates the two. Daily confession (1 John 1:9) is fellowship with the Father, not for the purpose of regaining salvation. Hebrews 10:14 says, "for by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." Therefore no, repentance for the purpose of salvation is not continual, it takes place one time when a person is born again. What is continual is walking in obedience and confessing sins as children of God. Don’t try muddying the two together to create confusion.

 

[marks]

What you're trying to do is muddy the waters between repentance unto life with daily confession,

No, I'm attempting to clarify for myself what you think. No need to presume some motive of mine when you don't know the hearts of men.

Daily confession (1 John 1:9) is fellowship with the Father, not for the purpose of regaining salvation.

Do you the believe that we are cut off from fellowship with God if we've sinned but not confessed it?

Again . . . to clarify what you believe.

Much love!

 

[Taken]

"Salvation…is Only gifted (received) unto a man AFTER an accounted bodily Death."

We must repent and believe while we are alive, not after we die.

Obviously you have a comprehension issue,
Between the ACT of Confessing Belief And RECEIVING Salvation.

My statement was…

"Salvation…is Only gifted (received) unto a man AFTER an accounted bodily Death."

”Salvation does not come after death”

So your argument IS you believe Salvation is Received…before an Accounted Bodily DEATH.

Then you quote Scripture in another post…

“a new creature”

Then you say…

when a person is born again

Perhaps you should Stop spending your time ACCUSING others of Lying, twisting Scripture…and Reflect on your own Incompetence.

A mans Confession of Belief is MADE, by the “old man”, while the “old man IS bodily Alive”…
No one said otherwise! (As you implied).

The Scriptural Teaching…IS:
Confession of Heartful Belief IS MADE by the “old man”…(the Naturally Alive man.)
No one disputed.

The Natural mans Heart’s Confession IS:
Searched BY the Lord God.

IF ( the condition ) the Lord God finds the man Confession “IS True”…

THEN ( the condition ) shall the Lord God ACCEPT… THAT mans
* Word of Belief… (True Testimony)
AND ??
Accept (That mans)
* SIN OFFERING.

Obviously … you are ignorant of the knowledge that A man Offers God ”A Sin Offering Before God FORGIVES the mans Sin”! ”

In the OT, a mans Sin Offering was The bodily Death of an Animal, “For” the mans forgiveness of Sin.

Seems you MISSED, the Highlight of the NT.

In the NT, men can Offer…
Their Heartful WORD (Testimony)
AND
Their own DEAD BODY For their Sin Offering unto the Lord…

The OPTION (and TIMING) For the man…
IS: twofold…
* An Accounted Bodily mans DEATH by Crucifixion With Christ Jesus’ Body …
OR
* An Accounted Bodily man’s DEATH by martyrdom.

Either Option a MAN Chooses…
The Result IS:
That mans Sin Against The Lord God (of having HAD unbelief) IS FORGIVEN.

Once the Lord God HAS (received and Verified) the mans (Accounted Dead Body) SIN OFFERING…

Then shall The Lord God GIFT that man With the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation…
Circumcision of the mans HEART.
The Lamb of Gods BAPTISM.
The Lord Gods SPIRIT of TRUTH, with IN.
Restoration of the mans SOUL.
Rebirth of the mans SPIRIT.
Mans OLD accounted Dead Body, Cleansed, Prepared, to BE RISEN UP in a new Eternally Living Glorified Body.

Obviously…you are preaching your OWN gospel…——>

”Salvation does not come after death”

The Lord Gods Forgiveness (of having Had unbelief)…
and —->
The Lord Gods Gift of Salvation…
ONLY is GIVEN a man..After a mans SIN OFFERING of his own body unto Death is GIVEN to the Lord God, by the man.

According to Scripture…It is a foolish man who thinks otherwise!

There IS no “new creature”… until the “old man…BODY of Sin, is Accounted Dead!”

”Salvation does not come after death”

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool,that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

You can argue Against Gods Word all day long, and falsely accuse people all day long…and All day long…you will remain in Error.

 

[bdavidc]

Do you the believe that we are cut off from fellowship with God if we've sinned but not confessed it?

To clarify what the bible teaches and I believe because the bible teaches it. Scripture is clear to distinguish between salvation and fellowship. Repentance unto life is a one-time event of turning to God in faith through Jesus Christ. Jesus said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). That repentance leads to salvation, for as someone believes God justifies him and gives him eternal life (Romans 5:1, John 3:16). That cannot be undone every time a believer sins, for salvation is based on the finished work of Christ, not our performance (Hebrews 10:14). Daily confession, however, deals with walking in the light and fellowship. 1 John 1: 7 says, “If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another.” When a believer sins and does not confess it, fellowship with God is broken because sin grieves the Spirit (Ephesians 4:30) and quenches His work in our lives (1 Thessalonians 5:19). That does not mean we are cut off from being His children, but it does mean we lose the joy, peace, and closeness of communion until we confess and are restored. David expressed this when he said, “When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long” (Psalm 32: 3), but when he confessed the Lord forgave and restored him. So no, unconfessed sin does not remove salvation, but yes, it does interrupt fellowship until it is dealt with.

 

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it does interrupt fellowship until it is dealt with.

Follow up question . . . are you aware of every sin you commit? Myself, I'm still growing in self-awareness and self-knowledge, and I find that learning the real depth of sin in my flesh is a continuing experience.

I find that it's not about a list of do's and don'ts but rather, walking in the Spirit or walking according to flesh.

I wonder whether anyone actually is aware of and confesses every sin they commit. I suspect that we are alike, and that there are things we may not realize now that are from the flesh, but may come to realize it in the future.

I wonder whether there are those who are walking according to flesh, though not doing the "that shalt not's", and think, I'm OK, I'm not sinning, even though they are being critical of others, or have an inflated view of themself, or what not.

Why is it that sins committed as a Christian separate us from our Father? I'm reconciled to God in Christ, not in myself. Right? For He has said, I will never leave you, nor forsake you, don't you believe that is true?

Another question . . . when am I in greater need of help from my heavenly Father than when I'm caught up in some sin??

Confession and restoration? Isn't Jesus' death enough? I find communion with my Father even in the worst of times, and as I find Him even in the lowest parts of my life, this is what begins to lift me out.

Where is it that you find intimacy with God? Is it only when you approve of your own behavior? And what if you are mistaken, and think you are OK, and you are not? Aren't you glad God isn't so technical about it?

Well . . . . he confessed to these, but not to those . . . Nope, there will be no comfort to his heart . . .

How reconciled are you in Christ? Enough to live, but not enough to have ongoing relationship? Trust in Christ, and not in your own self-approval.

Paul said he didn't even judge himself. Why would we? It's just measuring ourselves by ourselves. Jesus is our true judge. Not us.

And knowing that, well, our reconciliation had better be complete! And it is. So if you find yourself committing sin, simply stop, and return to walking in the Spirit, by trusting in Jesus' death to have completely reconciled you to God. And thank Him for making Him forever His!

Much love!

 

[Behold]

. Daily confession (1 John 1:9) is fellowship with the Father,

Fellowship with the Father is not based on continuing confession of sin, as that would be you contininuing the relationship. Whereas Salvation is All of God, through Christ...."The Gift of Salvation".
If you had to earn it or keep it by confessing sin........ then Jesus didnt need to die on The Cross.... So we are to understand what literally and eternally establishes our spiritual union with God, and also maintains it.

There is no......"well, Jesus started my Salvaiton, and now i confess sin every day to maintain it".

The reality is......Jesus who is our Salvation, is our Salvation, and there is no other way for eternal relationship with God to begin and to continue, and any teaching that tries to add to the finished work of Jesus on The Cross... .(Like works or confessing sin or trying to do this or do that)....., is a false teaching.

Here is the correct teaching...........= God who began Salvation in all the born again, will Himself be FAITHFUL to complete it.
Salvation is COMPLETED by Jesus on THe Cross, 2000 yrs ago, and we receive it COMPLETED, = our relationship with God is completed "in Christ".