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Is repentance necessary for salvation according to the Bible?

  • 1. Yes — Repentance is essential and directly tied to forgiveness of sins.

  • 2. No — Only faith in Jesus is required, repentance is not part of salvation.

  • 3. Repentance is just a change of mind about Jesus, not turning from sin.

  • 4. I’m not sure, I need to study what the Bible really says about it.


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"Salvation…is Only gifted (received) unto a man AFTER an accounted bodily Death."



Obviously you have a comprehension issue,
Between the ACT of Confessing Belief And RECEIVING Salvation.

My statement was…

"Salvation…is Only gifted (received) unto a man AFTER an accounted bodily Death."



So your argument IS you believe Salvation is Received…before an Accounted Bodily DEATH.

Then you quote Scripture in another post…



Then you say…



Perhaps you should Stop spending your time ACCUSING others of Lying, twisting Scripture…and Reflect on your own Incompetence.

A mans Confession of Belief is MADE, by the “old man”, while the “old man IS bodily Alive”…
No one said otherwise! (As you implied).

The Scriptural Teaching…IS:
Confession of Heartful Belief IS MADE by the “old man”…(the Naturally Alive man.)
No one disputed.

The Natural mans Heart’s Confession IS:
Searched BY the Lord God.

IF ( the condition ) the Lord God finds the man Confession “IS True”…

THEN ( the condition ) shall the Lord God ACCEPT THAT mans
* Word of Belief… (True Testimony)
AND ??
Accept (That mans)
* SIN OFFERING
.

Obviously … you are ignorant of the knowledge that A man Offers God ”A Sin Offering Before God FORGIVES the mans Sin”!

In the OT, a mans Sin Offering was The bodily Death of an Animal, “For” the mans forgiveness of Sin.

Seems you MISSED, the Highlight of the NT.


In the NT, men can Offer…
Their Heartful WORD (Testimony)
AND
Their own DEAD BODY For their Sin Offering unto the Lord…

The OPTION (and TIMING) For the man…
IS: twofold…
* An Accounted Bodily mans DEATH by Crucifixion With Christ Jesus’ Body …
OR
* An Accounted Bodily man’s DEATH by martyrdom.

Either Option a MAN Chooses…
The Result IS:
That mans Sin Against The Lord God (of having HAD unbelief) IS FORGIVEN.


Once the Lord God HAS (received and Verified) the mans (Accounted Dead Body) SIN OFFERING…

Then shall The Lord God GIFT that man With the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation…
Circumcision of the mans HEART.
The Lamb of Gods BAPTISM.
The Lord Gods SPIRIT of TRUTH, with IN.
Restoration of the mans SOUL.
Rebirth of the mans SPIRIT.
Mans OLD accounted Dead Body, Cleansed, Prepared, to BE RISEN UP in a new Eternally Living Glorified Body.


Obviously…you are preaching your OWN gospel…——>



The Lord Gods Forgiveness (of having Had unbelief)…
and —->
The Lord Gods Gift of Salvation…
ONLY is GIVEN a man..After a mans SIN OFFERING of his own body unto Death is GIVEN to the Lord God, by the man.

According to Scripture…It is a foolish man who thinks otherwise!

There IS no “new creature”… until the “old man…BODY of Sin, is Accounted Dead!”



1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool,that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

You can argue Against Gods Word all day long, and falsely accuse people all day long…and All day long…you will remain in Error.
You accuse me of having a comprehension issue, but the real issue is that you’re preaching a false gospel. The Bible says confession and belief bring salvation now (Romans 10:9–10), not after death. Jesus said, “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life” (John 3:36). That’s present tense. Your claim that a man must offer his own body as a sin offering is blasphemy against the cross. Scripture says Christ was offered once for sin (Hebrews 9:28). There is no other offering, and certainly not your own corpse.

You twist 1 Corinthians 15:36 out of context. That passage is about the resurrection body, not salvation. Salvation is now, resurrection is later. And Hebrews 9:27 says after death comes judgment, not another chance.

I don’t have time to waste on someone so blatantly rejecting the finished work of Christ. You’ve been shown the truth. If you keep preaching another gospel, then Galatians 1:9 says it plainly: you are accursed. Repent before it is too late for you. I am putting you on ignore.
 

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Nice to see that all 3 who voted marked off YES....
repentance is necessary for salvation.

Now let's watch the rejections get posted.

FAITH ALONE is not biblical.

This is because other qualities are taught besides faith.

WE ARE TO CONFESS. ROMANS
REPENT....ACTS
BE BAPTIZED....ACTS
CONFESS OUR SINS....JOHN
PRAY....ROMANS, MATTHEW
SEEK THE THINGS FROM ABOVE....COLOSSIANS
CALLED TO BE SAINTS....CORINTHIANS
ETC

To say nothing of the qualities Jesus teaches in the beginning of the beatitudes,
Matthew 5.

FAITH ALONE is not a biblical teaching.
 

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Follow up question . . . are you aware of every sin you commit? Myself, I'm still growing in self-awareness and self-knowledge, and I find that learning the real depth of sin in my flesh is a continuing experience.

I find that it's not about a list of do's and don'ts but rather, walking in the Spirit or walking according to flesh.

I wonder whether anyone actually is aware of and confesses every sin they commit. I suspect that we are alike, and that there are things we may not realize now that are from the flesh, but may come to realize it in the future.

I wonder whether there are those who are walking according to flesh, though not doing the "that shalt not's", and think, I'm OK, I'm not sinning, even though they are being critical of others, or have an inflated view of themself, or what not.

Why is it that sins committed as a Christian separate us from our Father? I'm reconciled to God in Christ, not in myself. Right? For He has said, I will never leave you, nor forsake you, don't you believe that is true?

Another question . . . when am I in greater need of help from my heavenly Father than when I'm caught up in some sin??
Paul asked if we should sin more so that grace may abound more.
He said:
MAY IT NEVER BE!

So maybe we should sin a lot so we could need God more?
Confession and restoration? Isn't Jesus' death enough?
Enough for what?
For you to not even be SORRY for your sins?

John was an Apostle.
John said to confess our sins.

Isn't that good enough for you?

If we say we have no sin...we are liars.


1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

I find communion with my Father even in the worst of times, and as I find Him even in the lowest parts of my life, this is what begins to lift me out.

Where is it that you find intimacy with God? Is it only when you approve of your own behavior? And what if you are mistaken, and think you are OK, and you are not? Aren't you glad God isn't so technical about it?

Well . . . . he confessed to these, but not to those . . . Nope, there will be no comfort to his heart . . .

How reconciled are you in Christ? Enough to live, but not enough to have ongoing relationship? Trust in Christ, and not in your own self-approval.

Paul said he didn't even judge himself. Why would we? It's just measuring ourselves by ourselves. Jesus is our true judge. Not us.

And knowing that, well, our reconciliation had better be complete! And it is. So if you find yourself committing sin, simply stop, and return to walking in the Spirit, by trusting in Jesus' death to have completely reconciled you to God. And thank Him for making Him forever His!

Much love!
 

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Follow up question . . . are you aware of every sin you commit? Myself, I'm still growing in self-awareness and self-knowledge, and I find that learning the real depth of sin in my flesh is a continuing experience.

I find that it's not about a list of do's and don'ts but rather, walking in the Spirit or walking according to flesh.

I wonder whether anyone actually is aware of and confesses every sin they commit. I suspect that we are alike, and that there are things we may not realize now that are from the flesh, but may come to realize it in the future.

I wonder whether there are those who are walking according to flesh, though not doing the "that shalt not's", and think, I'm OK, I'm not sinning, even though they are being critical of others, or have an inflated view of themself, or what not.

Why is it that sins committed as a Christian separate us from our Father? I'm reconciled to God in Christ, not in myself. Right? For He has said, I will never leave you, nor forsake you, don't you believe that is true?

Another question . . . when am I in greater need of help from my heavenly Father than when I'm caught up in some sin??

Confession and restoration? Isn't Jesus' death enough? I find communion with my Father even in the worst of times, and as I find Him even in the lowest parts of my life, this is what begins to lift me out.

Where is it that you find intimacy with God? Is it only when you approve of your own behavior? And what if you are mistaken, and think you are OK, and you are not? Aren't you glad God isn't so technical about it?

Well . . . . he confessed to these, but not to those . . . Nope, there will be no comfort to his heart . . .

How reconciled are you in Christ? Enough to live, but not enough to have ongoing relationship? Trust in Christ, and not in your own self-approval.

Paul said he didn't even judge himself. Why would we? It's just measuring ourselves by ourselves. Jesus is our true judge. Not us.

And knowing that, well, our reconciliation had better be complete! And it is. So if you find yourself committing sin, simply stop, and return to walking in the Spirit, by trusting in Jesus' death to have completely reconciled you to God. And thank Him for making Him forever His!

Much love!
This is a really good question and gets to the heart of what the Bible says. I am not saying that all of my sins are always apparent to me, but I do know this: the Holy Spirit will put it on my heart, He is not shy about convicting me. Jesus said the Spirit “will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment” (John 16:8). So while I may not see everything at once in myself, God is faithful to illuminate the darkness where He wants me to repent and grow. That is what Psalm 139: 23–24 is asking God to do, “Search me, O God, and know my heart… see if there be any wicked way in me.”

You asked why sin causes a break in fellowship if we are reconciled in Christ. The Scriptures make a distinction between our salvation and our fellowship. Our salvation is secure in Christ, “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee” (Hebrews 13:5). That is true. But fellowship is broken by sin. David was still the Lord’s child when he sinned, but in Psalm 32: 3 he said, “When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.” His salvation was not gone, but his joy and closeness to God were. That is why 1 John 1: 9 encourages believers, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

You asked if the death of Jesus is enough. Of course it is, that is why we can confess and be cleansed. His death paid the price, all of it, once for all (Hebrews 10:14). But God has designed fellowship with Him to include ongoing confession of our sin. Confession is not about “earning” forgiveness, it is about walking in the light. “If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another” (1 John 1:7).

You brought up Paul saying he did not judge himself (1 Corinthians 4:3). That does not mean that Paul did not have sin in his life that needed to be addressed. In the same letter to the Corinthians, he told them to “examine yourselves” (2 Corinthians 13:5). The point there is that the ultimate judgment belongs to Christ, but daily self-examination keeps us humble and close to Him.

So yes, our reconciliation in Christ is complete. Nothing can change that. But if we excuse sin, minimize it, or refuse to confess it, we forfeit intimacy with the Father until we humble ourselves again. God is not “technical” about keeping a scorecard, but He is holy and sin always hinders fellowship. That is why Hebrews 12: 6 says, “Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth.” If someone claims they can live in sin with no interruption in fellowship with the Father, they are deceiving themselves, not following the Spirit and most likely not saved at all.

To summarize, Jesus’ sacrifice is enough. Salvation is secure. Fellowship is restored through confession to God, not a man. Salvation is our standing. Fellowship is our walk. Both matter and both are plainly taught in Scripture.
 

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Paul asked if we should sin more so that grace may abound more.
He said:
MAY IT NEVER BE!

So maybe we should sin a lot so we could need God more?
I think you need to check that attitude. No, of course not!

For you to not even be SORRY for your sins?
What are you talking about? That's non-sequitor. Are you assuming I have some kind of light view of sin?

Personally I think that the person who thinks they need to add to what Jesus did, that these are they who think sin is some light thing, as though we can add to Jesus' death our own good opinions of our own behavior. That's all we have you know. When you are not confessing sin, it may be from ignorance, it may be forgetfulness, it may be that you think you are just fine. But you are not the judge, Jesus is, only He knows us well enough.

I think that unless you are trusting completely in Jesus, with nothing from yourself, that you are not where you need to be.

When you realize how completely devastating sin is, that sin kills, you will realize you can't do anything to add to Christ's death. Not even close!

Much love!
 

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David was still the Lord’s child when he sinned, but in Psalm 32: 3 he said, “When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.”
David was before the Cross. We are "in Christ". Shall we discuss the difference?

Fellowship is restored through confession to God,
We are reconciled to God in Christ. The Bible is plain in this point. Reconciliation isn't some half-way measure.

2 Peter 1:3-4 KJV
3) According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Much love!
 
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Is repentance necessary for salvation according to the Bible?
1. Yes — Repentance is essential and directly tied to forgiveness of sins.
2. No — Only faith in Jesus is required, repentance is not part of salvation.
3. Repentance is just a change of mind about Jesus, not turning from sin.
4. I’m not sure, I need to study what the Bible really says about it.

:rolleyes:
Amateur.
 

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That does not mean that Paul did not have sin in his life that needed to be addressed. In the same letter to the Corinthians,
1 Corinthians 4:3-5 KJV
3) But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4) For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

What it means is that Paul recognized that he was not qualified to judge himself. Not that we can't know things about ourselves. Notice what he says here.

"I know nothing by myself", "my conscience is clear, I'm not aware of doing wrong".

"Yet I am not hereby justified", "but that doesn't mean I haven't done anything wrong"

"He that judges me is the Lord", "will make manifest the counsels of the hearts", "It's Jesus that knows our hearts, therefore, He is our judge, not even we ourselves".

What is the significance to this? If you believe you must confess your sins to restore fellowship with God you are in a tough spot. Not even Paul thought he knew every sin he committed. So he deferred judgment to Jesus when He comes.

"Every man examine himself", but you left off the rest of the context, as though the passage were speaking towards our topic. But it does not. Examine yourself to see if you be in the faith. Don't handle the Word dishonestly. Craftily.

Trust in Jesus for your reconciliation, including having ongoing personal relationship with our Heavenly Father. For me, this fact more than any other is what empowers me against sin. That It's already been dealt with, and what's remaining is that I walk in the victory.

Turning that into legalism - no, you cannot have fellowship with God unless you are all confessed up - and - you will only be in fellowship with God until your next sin - is a faith killer, and is "fallen from grace".

Colossians 2:13-14 KJV
13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

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1 Corinthians 4:3-5 KJV
3) But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4) For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

What it means is that Paul recognized that he was not qualified to judge himself. Not that we can't know things about ourselves. Notice what he says here.

"I know nothing by myself", "my conscience is clear, I'm not aware of doing wrong".

"Yet I am not hereby justified", "but that doesn't mean I haven't done anything wrong"

"He that judges me is the Lord", "will make manifest the counsels of the hearts", "It's Jesus that knows our hearts, therefore, He is our judge, not even we ourselves".

What is the significance to this? If you believe you must confess your sins to restore fellowship with God you are in a tough spot. Not even Paul thought he knew every sin he committed. So he deferred judgment to Jesus when He comes.

"Every man examine himself", but you left off the rest of the context, as though the passage were speaking towards our topic. But it does not. Examine yourself to see if you be in the faith. Don't handle the Word dishonestly. Craftily.

Trust in Jesus for your reconciliation, including having ongoing personal relationship with our Heavenly Father. For me, this fact more than any other is what empowers me against sin. That It's already been dealt with, and what's remaining is that I walk in the victory.

Turning that into legalism - no, you cannot have fellowship with God unless you are all confessed up - and - you will only be in fellowship with God until your next sin - is a faith killer, and is "fallen from grace".

Colossians 2:13-14 KJV
13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Much love!
Maybe it will help you if I put this in human terms.
When you say or do something your wife hates- do you apologize?
She married you- took a vow- has been with you through many things- one flesh- etc and you don't fear that she will divorce you because you messed up- but do you want to apologize- for the sake of a better relationship- because you love her..?
It's like that.
This is a relationship with God is it not?
 

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Nice to see that all 3 who voted marked off YES....
repentance is necessary for salvation.

Now let's watch the rejections get posted.

FAITH ALONE is not biblical.

This is because other qualities are taught besides faith.

WE ARE TO CONFESS. ROMANS
REPENT....ACTS
BE BAPTIZED....ACTS
CONFESS OUR SINS....JOHN
PRAY....ROMANS, MATTHEW
SEEK THE THINGS FROM ABOVE....COLOSSIANS
CALLED TO BE SAINTS....CORINTHIANS
ETC

To say nothing of the qualities Jesus teaches in the beginning of the beatitudes,
Matthew 5.

FAITH ALONE is not a biblical teaching.

“the goodness of God leads to repentance” Romans 2:4​

It is not fear of judgment or punishment that leads people to repent of their sins and be saved, but the goodness of God and “the incredible wealth of his grace and kindness toward us, as shown in all he has done for us” --Eph 2:7
God is not a heartless dictator but a merciful, forgiving, loving God-- Ps 25:6, Dan 9:9, Eph 2:4. James 5:11, 1 Pe 1:3--
He is patient with sinners who deserve judgment because He “wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth” - 1 Tim 2:4
Isa 30:18 2Pe 3:9
 

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What does it mean if your "fellowship with God is broken"?

Do you no longer sense Him with you? Does He no longer speak into your heart? Do you feel you are praying into nothingness? Do you no longer have the testimony of the Spirit within?

What is it in your life that tells you "I'm no longer in fellowship with God"?

Much love!
 

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Maybe it will help you if I put this in human terms.
When you say or do something your wife hates- do you apologize?
Well of course!! Why is this even a question?

Do you all suppose that because we're fully forgiven, and eternally reborn, that I don't feel bad about sinning? That I don't apologize to God?
Maybe it will help if I clarify, our emotional responses to our behavior speak towards our maturity, self-awareness, like that. But our reconciliation to God is not determined by our emotional state.

My relationship with God encompasses apologies just like all other aspects of relationship, all made possible by Jesus' death and resurrection, not whether I have this or that feeling at any given time.

My desire to apologize to God when I feel bad about what I've done is an entirely separate matter from whether or not I'm reconciled to God in Christ. Neither my feeling nor my apology add anything to the reconciliation that is mine in Christ.

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What does it mean if your "fellowship with God is broken"?

Do you no longer sense Him with you? Does He no longer speak into your heart? Do you feel you are praying into nothingness? Do you no longer have the testimony of the Spirit within?

What is it in your life that tells you "I'm no longer in fellowship with God"?

Much love!
I'm not sure who you are speaking to?
 
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Well of course!! Why is this even a question?

Do you all suppose that because we're fully forgiven, and eternally reborn, that I don't feel bad about sinning? That I don't apologize to God?
Maybe it will help if I clarify, our emotional responses to our behavior speak towards our maturity, self-awareness, like that. But our reconciliation to God is not determined by our emotional state.

My relationship with God encompasses apologies just like all other aspects of relationship, all made possible by Jesus' death and resurrection, not whether I have this or that feeling at any given time.

My desire to apologize to God when I feel bad about what I've done is an entirely separate matter from whether or not I'm reconciled to God in Christ. Neither my feeling nor my apology add anything to the reconciliation that is mine in Christ.

Much love!

All that I do know that you have taken issue with me and so has Behold- in the past because I confess my sins when convicted. I thought maybe it would help you to understand why I do a bit better if I put it in human terms.
Is it the word, "confess" that troubles you? Do you prefer apologize?
 

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All that I do know that you have taken issue with me and so has Behold- in the past because I confess my sins when convicted. I thought maybe it would help you to understand why I do a bit better if I put it in human terms.
Is it the word, "confess" that troubles you? Do you prefer apologize?
I was addressing the assertion that if we sin as Christians, that our fellowship with God is "broken" whatever that means, until we confess and ask forgiveness, at which time God gives us forgiveness, and relationship is restored.

I maintain that we are forgiven all sin already, and that if this were not so, we could not have ANY fellowship with God whatsoever. Our relationship is possible because we are fully reconciled to God in Christ.

How we go about our relationship with God, I think you are on target with a marriage anology. If I sin against my wife, our marriage isn't "on hold", but things are better if they are addressed.

Much love!
 

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I think you need to check that attitude. No, of course not!


What are you talking about? That's non-sequitor. Are you assuming I have some kind of light view of sin?

Personally I think that the person who thinks they need to add to what Jesus did, that these are they who think sin is some light thing, as though we can add to Jesus' death our own good opinions of our own behavior. That's all we have you know. When you are not confessing sin, it may be from ignorance, it may be forgetfulness, it may be that you think you are just fine. But you are not the judge, Jesus is, only He knows us well enough.

I think that unless you are trusting completely in Jesus, with nothing from yourself, that you are not where you need to be.

WHERE does the NT teach that we are to do nothing? (from ourselves).

I don't remember Jesus making this statement.

I remember Him stating this,,,and it sounds like we're supposed TO DO something:

Matthew 25:41-46
41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
45 "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent * that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."



In fact, I remember Jesus teaching that if we do not bear fruit....
we will be taken away from the vine....

John 15:1-2
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2
"Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;




When you realize how completely devastating sin is, that sin kills, you will realize you can't do anything to add to Christ's death. Not even close!

Much love!
Jesus didn't teach that we're to add something to His death....
Jesus taught that we are to obey God and do good works for His Kingdom here on earth.
 

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“the goodness of God leads to repentance” Romans 2:4​

It is not fear of judgment or punishment that leads people to repent of their sins and be saved, but the goodness of God and “the incredible wealth of his grace and kindness toward us, as shown in all he has done for us” --Eph 2:7
God is not a heartless dictator but a merciful, forgiving, loving God-- Ps 25:6, Dan 9:9, Eph 2:4. James 5:11, 1 Pe 1:3--
He is patient with sinners who deserve judgment because He “wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth” - 1 Tim 2:4
Isa 30:18 2Pe 3:9
Who said God is a heartless dictator?
I'm not Reformed.
 

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“the goodness of God leads to repentance” Romans 2:4​

It is not fear of judgment or punishment that leads people to repent of their sins and be saved, but the goodness of God and “the incredible wealth of his grace and kindness toward us, as shown in all he has done for us” --Eph 2:7
God is not a heartless dictator but a merciful, forgiving, loving God-- Ps 25:6, Dan 9:9, Eph 2:4. James 5:11, 1 Pe 1:3--
He is patient with sinners who deserve judgment because He “wants everyone to be saved and to understand the truth” - 1 Tim 2:4
Isa 30:18 2Pe 3:9
Sorry PS....what I mean is that I don't think you're replying to what I posted.
Unless you can clarify.
 

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Sorry PS....what I mean is that I don't think you're replying to what I posted.
Unless you can clarify.
Hi Grace.. I was only referring to repentance and how some here see it as a WORK which is just stupid and to show that repentance comes to us as a result of seeing God's love for us.- in Christ.
 
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