Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[Episkopos]

Jesus has come, and His Righteousness is Imputed to the Believer.

As David explaines it like this..

Romans 4:6​

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6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputed RIGHTEOUSNESS....without works"..​

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So, @episkopos......you are trying to "do righteousnes" while not having it, as you deny that God gives His righteousness to anyone.​

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Your False teaching, is LEGION, on this forum, and everywhere else you post it.​

You are too easily duped. Nowhere does it say that the imputed righteousness is Christ's own or God's own. Your error places you beyond the pale of the most ridiculous false claims yet.

Those who enter INTO Christ by translation into Zion are COVERED with an anointing that causes them to overcome all things.

 

[Behold]

You are too easily duped. Nowhere does it say that the imputed righteousness is Christ's own or God's own.

I posted the verses for you.

And its a ludicrus statement you posted.......as obviously the only Righteousness is God and Christ.........so, they are the Righteousness, and so, "the gift of Righteousness" is obviously from them....

Notice how Paul correlates God's GRACE, with "the Gift of Righteousness".......as its the Grace of God that is bestowing the "gift of Righteousness" to any and all Believers.

Romans 5:17​

KJV​

17: """" For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness = shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.."""""​

Those who enter INTO Christ by translation into Zion

Your Religious science fiction is up and running again @Episkopos .

So, let me show you the "Translation".

The Born again have been """"Translated from DARKNESS..........to LIGHT""".

This means that they are become a "CHILD of the LIGHT".........a Saint who now exists as "seated in Heavenly places".. in the KOG.
How?
By becomeing (born again) = "One with God"....who exists "IN LIGHT"......and becoming """ IN CHRIST."""..who is "The Light of the World".

 

[Episkopos]

Indoctrination into badly translated verses like 2 Cor. 5:21 is rampant...and can easily be corrected. That verse should read...


"He was made to be sin by us (evil men), who knew no sin, that we (who believe) might fulfill the righteousness of God in Him."


It was evil men that made Jesus to have sin.....who knew no sin...that we who have the faith of Christ might FULFILL the righteousness of God in Christ. His will be done in us through Christ. So the EVIL that men did (not God) God made a way into His perfect will...fulfilling His will on earth.

The idea is an old one...

“But as for you, you thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.” Gen 50:20

 

[Behold]

"He was made to be sin by us (evil men), who knew no sin, that we (who believe) might fulfill the righteousness of God in Him."

The reason that a sinner can't go to Heaven, is because of their SIN.

"SIN" separates us from God...so it separates us from Heaven.........and God has to resolve this, as we can't.

A sinner can't resolve their own sin.

So.........God sent His Son to The Cross.........to forgive our sin, and this resolves it.. And then God "imputes" the righteousness of Christ" as "the Gift of Righteousness" to the Believer, who is then "made righteous" having become "the righteousness of GOD.... IN CHRIST"

See, every Christian is "IN CHRIST" and "ONE with God"........ and you can't be that one, unles your righteous is equal to God's.
So, this is why God has to give the Believer = "the Gift of Righteousness".......or we can't become Righteous.

We have to be "made righteous", based on "the Gift of Righteousness"..

Romans 5:17​

KJV​

17 : " For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the GIFT of Righteousness = shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ..""""​

It was evil men that made Jesus to have sin....

All men-women are evil, by nature., as all have the "sin nature".

However, they didnt "make" Jesus have sin., as you falsely posted. @Episkopos

Its God who supplied the Body and Blood of Jesus as the ETERNAL sacrifice for the sin of the World, and its the Love of Jesus for us, who was willing to offer His Body and Blood TO GOD...so that our sin can be forgiven.

"""God hath made Jesus........to ... BE SIN........for us""".

"US", = is specifically everyone who will trust in Christ........but its also the free offer of Jesus's sacrifice for the sin of the WORLD........ John 3:16

 

[NayborBear]

I am sure there is a level of walk that most will not enter into. However, those with humble faith and a sincere spirit can expect mercy and a certain measure of grace.

This statement is oh so correct!
The "conflict and confusion" comes when so called "teachers/preachers/instructors/professors etc etc", create this "glass ceiling" so to speak.
Teaching that you can go "This far!" And "No farther!"
Mostly, but not always all that willing to "Press on!" "To the high calling of God in (through) Christ Jesus!"
Because that demands this:
1 Peter 2:5 (KJV)
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
"THIS" is the "level of walk most will not enter into!"
There's a term used in scripture for people such as these!
Yes indeedy Petey!
I coined these as ones that "Know they don't wanna know!"
The Bible "classifies" em as "Willingly Ignorant!"
And it has More to do with "inheritance" then is does with "salvation!"

 

[shepherdsword]

This statement is oh so correct!
The "conflict and confusion" comes when so called "teachers/preachers/instructors/professors etc etc", create this "glass ceiling" so to speak.
Teaching that you can go "This far!" And "No farther!"
Mostly, but not always all that willing to "Press on!" "To the high calling of God in (through) Christ Jesus!"
Because that demands this:
1 Peter 2:5 (KJV)
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
"THIS" is the "level of walk most will not enter into!"

It's hard to be a living stone if you are sitting on a pew in a dead church.

There's a term used in scripture for people such as these!
Yes indeedy Petey!
I coined these as ones that "Know they don't wanna know!"
The Bible "classifies" em as "Willingly Ignorant!"
And it has More to do with "inheritance" then is does with "salvation!"

Such ones would not be walking in accordance with this:

Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

When I was speaking of a higher walk, I wasn't referring to those with an ungodly walk. I was just pointing out that there is a level of anointing and walk that very few reach, even among the early disciples. Not everyone could raise the dead, have healing when just their shadow passed by or by their used handkerchiefs. Yet they still walked in obedience and laid their life down. It is always good to press on towards the high calling...Jesus, calling us on high.

 

[Episkopos]

Yes, there are different anointings for different purposes. raising the dead and healing the sick are for outward miracles...and these could have temporal benefits. But God hides His intimacy for those who seek Him with a whole heart, and are humble and broken. The inward miracles are greater in that these elevate people in an eternal way, knowing the Lord. Which is greater, resurrection life or power? What is the use of power without the life it proceeds from?
How many wonderful works can be done in His name without the requisite intimacy with God? How can Jesus reject those who emphasized miraculous outward works?

 

[shepherdsword]

Ultimately , intimacy is the real test. When Jesus says to some "depart I never knew you" he was using a term for a sacred form of intimacy. He used the same wording as and "Adam knew his wife Eve" in the Septuagint. He was saying "I never had any intimate fellowship with you that reproduced my fruit within you" I sincerely believe that we will one day be taken in the fellowship of the Trinity on a level that no other creation has ever experienced. We get a taste of it here and now when we fellowship with Jesus.

 

[Behold]

Ultimately , intimacy is the real test. When Jesus says to some "depart I never knew you" he was using a term for a sacred form of intimacy.

When Jesus said "depart from me i never knew you" He was talking to people who were not Of Him.
They were fakirs.

You find the same with John taking about fakirs, who "left us, because they were not Of Us".

This means they are not born again.


You find Paul talking about fake "brethren"........in Galatians 2.

This means they are not born again.

 

[marks]

When Jesus says to some "depart I never knew you" he was using a term for a sacred form of intimacy.

"ginosko", "I know". It covers, "I know what is for dinner", "I know who you are", "I know true doctrine", and yes, "to know" is used as a euphemism for sex. Not "a sacred form of intimacy", no, the word was used euphemistically for intercourse.

Are you suggesting we are to have sex with Jesus? Because that's how you are coming across! Either you mean to have sex, or you mean "know" in the way we normally use the word.

Much love!

 

[marks]

"He was made to be sin by us (evil men), who knew no sin, that we (who believe) might fulfill the righteousness of God in Him."

That's not correct, as we can clearly see below:


Not "fulfill" . . . "may be becoming"

You are not translating, you are rewriting, and that's not good.

Much love!

 

[shepherdsword]

"ginosko", "I know". It covers, "I know what is for dinner", "I know who you are", "I know true doctrine", and yes, "to know" is used as a euphemism for sex. Not "a sacred form of intimacy", no, the word was used euphemistically for intercourse.

It is used in the Septuagint for "Adam knew his wife Eve and she conceived

Are you suggesting we are to have sex with Jesus? Because that's how you are coming across! Either you mean to have sex, or you mean "know" in the way we normally use the word.

Much love!

I am not suggesting that you have "sex with Jesus" I am referencing the Mystery Paul spoke of in Ephesians 5:

Eph 5:31-32 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

 

[shepherdsword]

When Jesus said "depart from me i never knew you" He was talking to people who were not Of Him.
They were fakirs.

You find the same with John taking about fakirs, who "left us, because they were not Of Us".

This means they are not born again.


You find Paul talking about fake "brethren"........in Galatians 2.

This means they are not born again.

He means this:

Eph 5:31-32
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

 

[undergrace1]

How can so many believers all agree on things that are NOT found in the bible...and all collectively ignore what is indeed written in the bible...without the slightest protest?

It is indoctrination. The way that children believe in Santa Claus. The answer is to put away childish things and embrace the truth in knowledge, wisdom and understanding.



The whole idea that a person can declare themselves righteous because they read in the bible that believers are justified in Christ. This takes self-righteousness to a whole new level beyond even what the Pharisees declared for themselves...after all they only claimed to have a human righteousness, but the modern pretenders claim to be as righteous as God Himself. These have fallen into the trap of not reading the bible with the requisite humility and honesty and fear of the Lord. With a new covenant comes a whole new order of self-righteousness. Such is the collateral damage caused by making a higher walk available to men. So much assuming and presuming. Jesus said that we are to raise the dead as a witness of His power. You won't find many who name and claim that level of walk. Likewise the bible comes to us in understatements and we exaggerate our own claims where we can without proof or power.

God justifies believers personally by translating them into the higher walk in the kingdom realm of Zion in a walk without sin by the grace of God in resurrection power and life. But people have made a figurative religion out of some preferred bible statements that have no basis in eternal reality. It is no wonder that so many will be rejected on judgment day with... "Depart from Me, I never knew you" (personally).

So why is it so important to make foolish and lofty claims? The religious pride of the sinful uncrucified outer man. Does God now give grace to the proud?

‘’’’God justifies believers personally by translating them into the higher walk in the kingdom realm of Zion in a walk without sin by the grace of God in resurrection power and life.’’’’



You perfectly without slip obey all of the following?



Let’s start with the Ten Commandments:

Do you ever put anything before God in your life?

Do you ever build any graven images in your mind?

Do you always honour your parents without exception.

Have you ever looked at a woman with lust in your eye? (Jesus ratified the commandment)

Have you ever fibbed about anyone, or been untruthful about a person in anyway?

Have you dwelt on any impure thought?

Do you ever desire ANYTHING of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household?

Do you fully obey the law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break?

Jesus commands:

If someone asked to lend from you would you gladly lend to them without ever expecting anything back?

If someone stole from you, would you offer them more than what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them?

Do you not invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind, lame and beggars?

If you have ever fasted, have you even hinted to anyone you are fasting?

Do you truly in your heart love your enemies, those who may malign, harass or persecute you?

Do you leap for joy if you are persecuted?

Do you always truly love all those you come into contact with in thought, word or deed, constantly, including our enemies, those who may be unkind to us, persecute or harass us?



All examples of what it takes to obey the TC, Christ’s teaching and the second greatest commandment.

 

[shepherdsword]

You are too easily duped. Nowhere does it say that the imputed righteousness is Christ's own or God's own. Your error places you beyond the pale of the most ridiculous false claims yet.

Those who enter INTO Christ by translation into Zion are COVERED with an anointing that causes them to overcome all things.

Wow....I did a Berean check on you concerning this. You are correct. It's doesn't say that imputed righteousness is the righteousness of God.
In fact, The Righteousness of God is something we submit to and not something imputed:

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

I have always held the same assumption Behold has. It seems I was incorrect. I am not saying I agree with 100% of what you say. However, you do say some very interesting things that need to be considered.

 

[shepherdsword]

That's not correct, as we can clearly see below:

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Not "fulfill" . . . "may be becoming"

You are not translating, you are rewriting, and that's not good.

Much love!

Actually "fulfill" is a good translation as the word actually means "to come into being"

 

[marks]

It is used in the Septuagint for "Adam knew his wife Eve and she conceived

Yes, I got all that. I've known these things a long time. It does not change what I said. You have "adjusted" the use/meaning of a Biblical idiom into something it was not used for, so you can make your case, and I do not go along with that.

When Jesus said, "I never knew you" He was not parsing types of relationships, he was declaring there was no relationship. And if in fact you do have this relationship with Jesus, there is no "half-way". You are either in or out.

So yes, "to know" is used as an idiom for sex. It's primary meaning is exactly as we use the word, Know. You are endeavoring to alter the meaning of the idiom to support your assertion. I think you would do better to alter your assertion so you don't have to do these sleights of hand with Scripture.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Actually "fulfill" is a good translation as the word actually means "to come into being"

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Come into being, generate.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It's doesn't say that imputed righteousness is the righteousness of God.
In fact, The Righteousness of God is something we submit to and not something imputed:

Philippians 3:7-11 KJV
7) But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Much love!

 

[shepherdsword]

Yes, I got all that. I've known these things a long time. It does not change what I said. You have "adjusted" the use/meaning of a Biblical idiom into something it was not used for, so you can make your case, and I do not go along with that.

I didn't twist anything. You just fail at understanding it

When Jesus said, "I never knew you" He was not parsing types of relationships, he was declaring there was no relationship. And if in fact you do have this relationship with Jesus, there is no "half-way". You are either in or out.

So yes, "to know" is used as an idiom for sex. It's primary meaning is exactly as we use the word, Know. You are endeavoring to alter the meaning of the idiom to support your assertion. I think you would do better to alter your assertion so you don't have to do these sleights of hand with Scripture.

Much love!

The relationship that Jesus has with his church is compared to a man becoming one with his wife. It's in the scriptures.