Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[amigo de christo]

He HAS saved us from our sins, by forgiving them. But it doesn't end there, it is a new beginning. Like new born babes, we are to be feeding on the word of God, undergoing His teaching/discipline/chastisements etc, as His disciples, and begin to grow. And it costs us, we pay a price to follow Him.

He sure does forgive us our sins and in him we are made the rigtheousness of GOD .
But here is what he told those who did not BELEIVE , there is that word again that so many no longer beleive , IN HIM
YE SHALL DIE in your sins for if you Beleive not that I am HE then you will die in your sins .
There is no man that has not sinned and as in adam all were dead
WELL NOW IN JESUS THE CHRIST we are made alive again , DO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE and a very good end too .
Not so for the unbelievers for they shall have their part n the lake of fire .
Do you want to hear some real lovely words that JESUS once said . Sure you do .
For this cause was i born , for this reason came i into the world
TO TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH . all who are of the TRUTH COME TO ME .
And WHO IS THE TRUTH . JESUS IS , not just speaks , BUT IS THE VERY TRUTH ITSELF .
JESUS does not just give life unto his own , HE IS LIFE ITSELF .
HE is the RESSURECTION itself . All who come unto me shall never die .
Though a man were dead YET SHALL HE LIVE .
JESUS IS THE ONLY NAME , the ONLY SOLUTION , and the ONLY HOPE one has .
SO its high time we get real busy exposing this inclusive lie
and preachign ONLY JESUS CHRIST and reminding of all things HE did say , as well as what the apostels left us to read ,
as well as all bibical holy doctrine . written for our own learning and admoniton .
SO allow me some parting words .
ITS TIME to RAISE those hands up and praise and thank and rejoice in the GLORIOUS LORD .
And as light does make manifest
SO let us who are of HIS light expose the darkness and point ONLY to the truth .
NOW to the trenches for the hour is late and grows only later .
Regulators and contenders for the true faith , MOUNT up
for the enemy has many co workers who have infiltrated even much of christendom and now work
to deceive this people and the world by a promise , a lie of course , that they call love and has made
the road to GOD very very broad , and an accepter of many sins and even OF UNBELEIF ITSELF .
TO the trenches one and all . The devil and his co wokers take no time off to deceive ,
WE take no time off to correct and to expose the lies of darkness , pointing ONLY TO CHRIST JESUS .

 

[Episkopos]

Paul's Gospel is not the Gospel of the Kingdom.

As false as can be. Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom as related in the bible at least 4 times. You don't understand the bible, the gospel or the kingdom...and are led by semantics not the words from God.

But chew on these verses and learn something...

Acts 28:30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.


And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. Acts 28:23

And he (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. Acts 19:8

And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I (Paul) have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Acts 20:25

Learn from your errors...

 

[Behold]

take apart a false understanding is beyond the scope of this forum. I present the truth in its full resolution,

Your ego is dripping in your posts.
You have some twisted idea that you are the "light".
Your theology is not just theologically ignorant and heretical, its Cross Rejecting, so that makes you dangerous, regarding any noob Christians on this Forum, or anyone who has no understanding of God's actual Plan of Salvation.
You post a lot of spiritual talk, . its a smoke screen. Its a pretense...... "oh EPI that sounds spiritual"... as that is your end game, and so, this has the capacity to attrack and fool weak minded religious people who have no understanding of God's Salvation, but are drawn to somethat theologically false, that is presented as sounding spiritual.
You've mastered that game.

You have not even understood the Reason that Jesus came here........the purpose of His Death.
Which is to offer a sinner like you........forgiveness for your sin, as found on THE CROSS.... so that you can be reconcilled to God, having received the "imputed righteousness of Christ".

You are trying to do this for yourself by your bizarre "im doing righteousness, so that makes me righteous" nonsense theology...and it fact, it just makes you heretical and not of the real faith.
What you prove in most of your Threads and posts is that you are a endlessly self righteous person.

I read your Testamony fella...and its like an acid trip.......>"i saw letters coming into my eyes".......and suddenly i understood i was a Christian'.

SAY WHAT? ?????????????????????????????

What IS THAT nonsense......that is not how you become a Christian.
That's religious science fiction.
Your Testimony has nothing in it that is recoginized by real Christians as you having become one.

You can revise it, and re-post it.... but i know what you stated originally, so, i'll edit you, if you try to lie with a revised salvation testimony that you can this day INVENT that you believe would be what Real Christians would believe... @Episkopos

 

[shepherdsword]

I'm trying to grasp what the aorist tense means....does it indicate something already accomplished, or something in process of being accomplished....or both?

aorist is punctiliar, as in it has already happened. If it was something that had happened and was still happening it would be in the perfect. If it was something happening now it would be present:

 

[shepherdsword]

Everything I speak of is meant to be understood very simply by faith. People will want proof...syntax, proof-texting...etc...but the point is missed. To take apart a false understanding is beyond the scope of this forum. I present the truth in its full resolution, and no one understands it. They only get glimmers and perhaps a few questions are asked...most facetiously. It's the flesh at work. And people think that their displays of the flesh and unbelief are somehow acceptable to God. People think I'm as carnally minded as them. But rather than actually study to prove me wrong, most just assume I'm wrong. To follow the path I'm relating would take far too much effort for most...and then again, can people see what is being presented to them? Can they hear what the Spirit is saying?

I remain hopeful that even the mockers are not too far gone that they can write off most of the bible for a few mistranslated or misunderstood verses.

Who is interested in having their paradigms challenged.?..the benefit is intimacy with God in truth.

I look around and see deception everywhere, who am I to think that I myself and not also deceived. However, I do know the reality of being set free from sin. How grievous and habitual sins I once committed were overcome by the power of the Spirit. It was something outside myself and greater than I. Alot of "myself" and "I" in there and I see that as the problem. What was the original sin? Pride? Well how could that be unless one first looked at himself and compared that with others. The first sin, the first missing of the mark is to look at one's own self instead of a total focus on God in His Glory. "All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God". What was the first thing Adam and Eve noticed after their sin? Their own nakedness that could only be detected by looking at themselves. Something the Spirit is showing me is to focus by faith on God alone, the total abandonment of self consciousness and stand in awe at the majesty and splendor of God in His glory. If I only behold him by faith then when He looks at me all He will see is Himself. I used to be held in reputation as a man of great knowledge and understanding. I see that as the carnal dung of ego and pride now. I know nothing as I ought to know. However. I do know this... when I focus only on Him no matter the circumstance He is pleased. I ask you questions because you are a very unique person in the grip of a powerful spirit, I am just not sure if it is the Holy Spirit or something else. I think it best not to judge. I see too many clueless people doing that already. However, I will continue to ask and to search out what you say.

 

[HeReigns]

Forgiveness is not on the same level as holiness. Forgiveness is based on righteousness and holiness is based on...holiness. I think you don't yet understand the difference as vast as it may be.

Start there.

Start at the beginning one would think. Because the BASIS and power for Christian growth and holiness is that we WERE forgiven and HAVE received Christ's righteousness, which we now are learning to submit to. Submitting to the new man and Spirit within, no longer submitting to our old man and flesh.

 

[Episkopos]

Start at the beginning one would think. Because the BASIS and power for Christian growth and holiness is that we WERE forgiven and HAVE received Christ's righteousness, which we now are learning to submit to. Submitting to the new man and Spirit within, no longer submitting to our old man and flesh.

Forgiveness and the power over sin are as wide apart as the Old and New Covenants. Forgiveness is Old Covenant. Holiness is New Covenant. So you are in the very same pursuit as Jews. But the New Covenant is about a new nature and power over sin...to walk as Jesus walked in HIS perfection, and anointing.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with growth in righteousness, quite the opposite. But let's not compare the weight of a mouse and that of an elephant on the same scales.

No one receives the righteousness of another as their own. Each person will be judged by what THEY did...according to their righteousness. This idea spins the head of modern believers. But nothing else is biblical. No one will be judged by their beliefs. All will be judged by their works...what they did with what they have been given. To whom much is given MORE is required.

Many have been called with a sample of grace, but very few indeed are chosen for glory. Most see the sample as if they have the glory already. But the sample is meant to interest us in a full surrender to actually enter into the kingdom life and realm.

Read about the parable of the pearl of great price...whereby a man, after sampling the treasure, sells ALL he has to BUY the field where the treasure is. The treasure is Christ, and the field is Zion in the kingdom realm where Jesus is. "Where I am you may be also." Seek to enter in by the narrow gate.

 

[HeReigns]

Forgiveness and the power over sin are as wide apart as the Old and New Covenants. Forgiveness is Old Covenant. Holiness is New Covenant. So you are in the very same pursuit as Jews. But the New Covenant is about a new nature and power over sin...to walk as Jesus walked in HIS perfection, and anointing.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with growth in righteousness, quite the opposite. But let's not compare the weight of a mouse and that of an elephant on the same scales.

No one receives the righteousness of another as their own. Each person will be judged by what THEY did...according to their righteousness. This idea spins the head of modern believers. But nothing else is biblical. No one will be judged by their beliefs. All will be judged by their works...what they did with what they have been given. To whom much is given MORE is required.

Many have been called with a sample of grace, but very few indeed are chosen for glory. Most see the sample as if they have the glory already. But the sample is meant to interest us in a full surrender to actually enter into the kingdom life and realm.

Read about the parable of the pearl of great price...whereby a man, after sampling the treasure, sells ALL he has to BUY the field where the treasure is. The treasure is Christ, and the field is Zion in the kingdom realm where Jesus is. "Where I am you may be also." Seek to enter in by the narrow gate.

We have already received a new nature and spirit within. HIS. We're a new man, a new creature now. However, we need to walk in it....we either walk in the flesh/old man or walk in the spirit. The spirit lusteth against the flesh and the flesh lusteth against the spirit. God helps us on the way there with spiritual weapons and sufferings, as we do battle with our flesh and old man. Yes, paying the price for it.

 

[Episkopos]

We have already received a new nature and spirit within.

You have received a sample of the new man...the way to walk in it is to go to God and enter into the narrow way to walk in another realm...that of the Spirit. Again, I'm not disparaging a faithfulness based on a human will....but we must compare like with like...spiritual things with spiritual things, The reason why SO MANY will be rejected on judgment day is because people mistake a sample of something for the product itself and claim to be something they are not (making them imposters). The cross takes away all power from the flesh....so there is no more sin. Whoever sins is a slave to sin. Being a slave to Christ requires a death of the sinful nature embedded in the outer natural man.

HIS. We're a new man, a new creature now. However, we need to walk in it....we either walk in the flesh/old man or walk in the spirit. The spirit lusteth against the flesh and the flesh lusteth against the spirit. God helps us on the way there with spiritual weapons and sufferings, as we do battle with our flesh and old man. Yes, paying the price for it.

Again, there is nothing wrong with being LED by the Spirit as the Israelites were in the wilderness...streams in the desert...BUT...walking in the Spirit is not a choice of human behaviour. It is by translation.

You are simply parroting what you have been taught...as I hear so often...as a means to explain away the power of the gospel making it sound like the Spirit is unable to empower us and that the fight rests with us.

The battle is the Lord's. Walk in Him and cease from striving. How? Surrender yourself on the altar and be taken up to be WHERE HE IS.

 

[amigo de christo]

Your ego is dripping in your posts.
You have some twisted idea that you are the "light".
Your theology is not just theologically ignorant and heretical, its Cross Rejecting, so that makes you dangerous, regarding any noob Christians on this Forum, or anyone who has no understanding of God's actual Plan of Salvation.
You post a lot of spiritual talk, . its a smoke screen. Its a pretense...... "oh EPI that sounds spiritual"... as that is your end game, and so, this has the capacity to attrack and fool weak minded religious people who have no understanding of God's Salvation, but are drawn to somethat theologically false, that is presented as sounding spiritual.
You've mastered that game.

You have not even understood the Reason that Jesus came here........the purpose of His Death.
Which is to offer a sinner like you........forgiveness for your sin, as found on THE CROSS.... so that you can be reconcilled to God, having received the "imputed righteousness of Christ".

You are trying to do this for yourself by your bizarre "im doing righteousness, so that makes me righteous" nonsense theology...and it fact, it just makes you heretical and not of the real faith.
What you prove in most of your Threads and posts is that you are a endlessly self righteous person.

I read your Testamony fella...and its like an acid trip.......>"i saw letters coming into my eyes".......and suddenly i understood i was a Christian'.

SAY WHAT? ?????????????????????????????

What IS THAT nonsense......that is not how you become a Christian.
That's religious science fiction.
Your Testimony has nothing in it that is recoginized by real Christians as you having become one.

You can revise it, and re-post it.... but i know what you stated originally, so, i'll edit you, if you try to lie with a revised salvation testimony that you can this day INVENT that you believe would be what Real Christians would believe... @Episkopos

many now have been drinking of a well whose waters have filled themselves up to the full .
That now if it be possible they could taste their own feet by how much they have consumed the waters of self .
JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED my friend . Do not follow epi , do not follow the nar realm or the liberal realm .
And do not follow the RCC . as i am sure you probably know that , but JUST MAKING sure you do .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your ego is dripping in your posts.
You have some twisted idea that you are the "light".
Your theology is not just theologically ignorant and heretical, its Cross Rejecting, so that makes you dangerous, regarding any noob Christians on this Forum, or anyone who has no understanding of God's actual Plan of Salvation.
You post a lot of spiritual talk, . its a smoke screen. Its a pretense...... "oh EPI that sounds spiritual"... as that is your end game, and so, this has the capacity to attrack and fool weak minded religious people who have no understanding of God's Salvation, but are drawn to somethat theologically false, that is presented as sounding spiritual.
You've mastered that game.

You have not even understood the Reason that Jesus came here........the purpose of His Death.
Which is to offer a sinner like you........forgiveness for your sin, as found on THE CROSS.... so that you can be reconcilled to God, having received the "imputed righteousness of Christ".

You are trying to do this for yourself by your bizarre "im doing righteousness, so that makes me righteous" nonsense theology...and it fact, it just makes you heretical and not of the real faith.
What you prove in most of your Threads and posts is that you are a endlessly self righteous person.

I read your Testamony fella...and its like an acid trip.......>"i saw letters coming into my eyes".......and suddenly i understood i was a Christian'.

SAY WHAT? ?????????????????????????????

What IS THAT nonsense......that is not how you become a Christian.
That's religious science fiction.
Your Testimony has nothing in it that is recoginized by real Christians as you having become one.

You can revise it, and re-post it.... but i know what you stated originally, so, i'll edit you, if you try to lie with a revised salvation testimony that you can this day INVENT that you believe would be what Real Christians would believe... @Episkopos

actually paul did and peter did and they all did preach the KINGDOM of GOD .
Do not let Epi stump you my friend . He is right on that , BUT DEADLY WRONG on how he sees it my friend .
JESUS has BEEN DENIED and EPI has become his own savoir . Though he does not realize that .
I tried to tell us inclusvisim of of anti christ , the devil and all darkness . And it is highly deceptive my friend .
And many is it taking in its web .

 

[ProDeo]

You are creating new words, walking in Zion, holiness sins, higher walk, more ?

No...you are not reading with enough faith...instead relying on a human understanding and experience. The bible is grasped only by faith. God reveals the deeper truth to those who come at it as a child would...not trying to figure things out rationally. The miraculous walk is not based on a superior intellect, but rather a full surrender. Let God show you...but you need to humble yourself and have faith.

Instead of introducing new phrases not mentioned in the Scriptures I prefer Scripture itself as for instance pointed out in Romans 8, the chapter of walking in the Spirit.

Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.

Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

No Zion, no holiness sins, no higher walk, just daily walking in the Spirit, producing fruit.

Matt 13:23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”

You are reading through an unbroken ego...so you are examining what I am writing through a carnal lens.

You could not resist, I understand.

 

[Behold]

As false as can be. Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom

The Gospel of the Kingdom is what John the Baptist preached only to JEWS.

Let me show you..

"repent, as the KOG is at hand"........is John the Baptist's message to the JEWS., and its Peter's message in Acts 2 to THE JEWS..........but Peter stopped preaching that water baptism kingdom gosple message, once he understood that Gentiles could be saved.

See that?

In Fact its Peter's epistle that explains that water baptism, is symbolic.......a "Figure".

So, That is not Paul's Gospel.
Pauil does not preach repent and get water baptized.

Paul said....>"Christ sent me NOT to water baptize".....just to define that His gospel is not "water baptism" or "repent".

Paul's Gosple is "ALL WHO BELIEVE"........."As many as BELIEVE"....= If you Take Christ by faith, God takes you by promise.

Paul's Gospel is......"Jesus on the Cross"... "Justification by Faith"........"all who call on the name of Jesus, believing, shall be saved".

 

[amigo de christo]

The Gospel of the Kingdom is what John the Baptist preached.

Let me show you..

"repent, as the KOG is at hand"........is John the Baptist's message to the JEWS., and its Peter, in Acts 2 to THE JEWS..........but Peter stopped preaching that water baptism message, once he understood that Gentiles could be saved.

See that?

That is not Paul's Gospel.
Pauil does not preach repent and get water baptized.

Paul said....>"Christ sent me NOT to water baptize".....just to define that His gospel is not "water baptism" or "repent".

Paul's Gosple is "ALL WHO BELIEVE"........."As many as BELIEVE".

Paul's Gospel is......"Jesus on the Cross"... "Justification by Faith"........"all who call on the name of Jesus, believing, shall be saved".

Behold you give power unto Epi . because i can easily show you your error .
Even though i know you are trying to do good and expose epi .
Will we please just get back into the scriptures .
Paul , peter , heck they all preached the same gospel , same kingdom of God
and yes they did water baptize too . THOUGH they know and we do too that many can go down a dry sinner
only to rise a wet one still in unbelief . WE KNOW ITS JESUS WHO SAVES .
But i am telling you my friend you have some things wrong . And epi can easily eat ya lunch
and others will see his words are true and yours as error . THAT IS DANGEROUS .
this is why i have been pleading for all to get back into the bible afresh and anew for themselves .

 

[Behold]

Paul , peter , heck they all preached the same gospel , same kingdom of God

Paul never preaches "repent and be water baptized".
Not once., as that is not his Gospel.

Get your bible, and find a verse that shows Paul "preaching the gospel of the Kingdom".......or "repent and be watar baptized".

The Gospel of the Kingdom proclaims that JESUS IS HERE........"He is at hand".

But He's not, currently. He's in Heaven.

This is why the Gospel that we preach is.......>"Jesus on the Cross'........."Christ Crucified"......."The preaching of the Cross".

What we preach is that the born again is born again INTO the KOG........by being "in Christ" and "One with God"..

The KOG is not down here.......Its up there..............and we are born again into it........"translated from darkness to LIGHT".

That LIGHT is the KOG......and we are born again INTO IT.

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul never preaches "repent and be water baptized".
Not once.

Cause you reading parts of his letters and still misunderstanding .
HE did water baptize some
cause he knew it was right to do so . But sure he mainly focused on the preaching of the very same gospel peter did and others did .
He was NOT against water baptism .
Just like he was not against tongues , YET had to write what he did concerning tongues
cause folks were getting out of control with tongues .
Behold you have been listening to men . But i know this can easily be fixed .
YOu read and you enjoy the bible for yourself . Just learn and see my friend .
Epi is dangerous but you are not going to be able to expose him . in fact now he can use all kinds of
scrips to prove you wrong . Making himself look right .
Just please start over in the scriptures . HECK i wish all would just start over in the scrips and learn for themselves .
THINGS can and will be cleared up in time .

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul never preaches "repent and be water baptized".
Not once., as that is not his Gospel.

Get your bible, and find a verse that shows Paul "preaching the gospel of the Kingdom".......or "repent and be watar baptized".

The Gospel of the Kingdom proclaims that JESUS IS HERE........"He is at hand".

But He's not, currently. He's in Heaven.

This is why the Gospel that we preach is.......>"Jesus on the Cross'........."Christ Crucified"......."The preaching of the Cross".

What we preach is that the born again is born again INTO the KOG........by being "in Christ" and "One with God"..

The KOG is not down here.......Its up there..............and we are born again into it........"translated from darkness to LIGHT".

That LIGHT is the KOG......and we are born again INTO IT.

All who beleive , TRULY Beleive JESUS is the Christ is born of GOD .
You wont hear me aruging against that fact my friend .

 

[Behold]

Cause you reading parts of his letters and still misunderstanding .
HE did water baptize some

I didnt post that Paul didnt water baptize.
I posted that His Gospel is not "repent and be water baptized"., His Gospel is not...>>"the KOG is here".
That is John the Baptist's Gospel........."repent and be water baptized, as the KOG is here".
And it was, as Jesus was walking the earth.

Its not here now.........Jesus is not on this earth right now. But when He was, the KOG was down here.

So, for us to enter the KOG.....we have to be born again into it... into Christ......as "In Christ"..........as its a spiritual Kingdom, and that is why we are born again spiritually, as this is how we enter the KOG......and it also enters us.

Jesus said.....>"the KOG is within you"........and that is because HE is the KOG, and He is in all the born again.

 

[amigo de christo]

Instead of introducing new phrases not mentioned in the Scriptures I prefer Scripture itself as for instance pointed out in Romans 8, the chapter of walking in the Spirit.

Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.

Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

No Zion, no holiness sins, no higher walk, just daily walking in the Spirit, producing fruit.

Matt 13:23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”



You could not resist, I understand.

What happens if you remove the P
and captilize the rest. This is not our first RODEO my friend . always remember the all inclusive interfaith is of anti christ
and its solutoin will lead all to perdition .

 

[amigo de christo]

I didnt post that Paul didnt water baptize.
I posted that His Gospel is not "repent and be water baptized"., His Gospel is not...>>"the KOG is here".
That is John the Baptist's Gospel........."repent and be water baptized, as the KOG is here".
And it was, as Jesus was walking the earth.

Its not here now.........Jesus is not on this earth right now. But when He was, the KOG was down here.

So, for us to enter the KOG.....we have to be born again into it... into Christ......as "In Christ"..........as its a spiritual Kingdom, and that is why we are born again spiritually, as this is how we enter the KOG......and it also enters us.

Jesus said.....>"the KOG is within you"........and that is because HE is the KOG, and He is in all the born again.

I just noticed you said something very true my friend . HIS KINGDOM is not here ITS ABOVE .
so then why are so many following the merged nar realm and its whore mother
and behave as though ITS HERE and time to FIGHT for it . I mean you are correct .
And its not on earth . ITS NOT in jersualem on earth either .
THE TRUE JERSUALEM , THE TRUE KINGDOM , its above and by the SPIRIT the true sheep are within it .
So always remember interfaith is of anti christ and its peace leads to perdtion . ITS leaders
have DENIED JESUS CHRIST .
and we darn sure want no part of its interreligious dialgoue THAT HAS DENIED to all false religoins
as well as to christendom THE DIRE NEED TO REPENT AND BELEIVE ON JESUS . no sir ITS MERGGING THEM ALL UNDER THE LIE now .