Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah
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Reminds me of :
Efez 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Efez 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved—
Efez 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Normally people understand better by using different words that mean the same thing...and examples etc. An indoctrinated person wants to hear the same wording over and over again thinking that is being properly understood.
LOL. It's easy to assume one is living by the Spirit. Just keep walking in the power of the flesh and call it holy. Being religiously minded is not being spiritual in Christ. Chronic sinfulness is not the same as being dead in Christ and living by His resurrection life.
The bible is not meant to be explained away.
Not many understand the word. Instead there is a human way of making a religion that is cobbled together to mean the exact opposite of what is intended, too often.
You understand this to be figurative obviously. You haven't yet realized that being seated or walking in heavenly places kinda sounds like a higher walk...or experiencing a higher realm....but an indoctrinated mind doesn't make such obvious connections...
But Jesus did say that faith would be scarce in these last days..
A sound judgment is as lacking today as a sound doctrine since these both require discernment.
Well, the words you haven spoken to me in this thread are in direct opposition to what you preach. You preach holiness, sinless perfection, humbleness, a superior walk in Christ to the rest of us. Your answers to me were not humble, when your opinions are challenged, you become nasty and controlling, you don't take no for an answer and become judgemental.
Just as in the latest example, me quoting from Romans 8, the chapter about walking in the Spirit.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Your answer : LOL. It's easy to assume one is living by the Spirit. Just keep walking in the power of the flesh and call it holy
How do you even know?
You can not.
It's my hope your loyal followers one day can see through your superior and controlling attitude, it's quite funny you speak about discernment, it's exactly what triggered me to write these words to you.
I didn't write the bible or form the heavens and earth. The higher walk is for those whom God elects to do that. To be bothered by that is a sin of pride against the ways of God...a sin that is unable to esteem oneself as small or unimportant. I think you place too much importance on yourself and your place in the grand scheme of things. The irony is lost on you. One must become as nothing to be elevated into the holy walk that is found only IN Christ. I preach the gospel...an offense to the carnal man. The cross is an offense to the sensibilities of man.
That's how your outer man receives it...I am speaking without flowers and obfuscations...the direct truth. And truth has no favourites and doesn't look to molly-coddle the flesh. How many have become spiritually spoiled where a sound doctrine is no longer acceptable? How many have choked down milk for so long that a little strong meat makes them gag?
If you want to be a part of the religious crowd...do so. But that crowd will ever resist the truth in Christ.
Humour is about context. Using a spiritual verse to mean a self-effort is quite the trick. Having begun in the Spirit are we now made perfect by human effort?
The errors you have adopted are so manifold that to correct them is beyond the scope of writing on keyboards. I have ministered to many people over the years, so I have a quick discernment where I see a lack of faith.
Take all your observations about what you think I'm doing and turn them around to see what you are doing...look in the mirror. Humble yourself under the mighty hand of God and He will lift you up.
But I know that once the ego gets ruffled, an uncrucified soul will resist any truth in a bid for self- preservation, and to "save face"...basically being the saviour of oneself. Can a person who seeks to be saved by Another also try to save oneself?
Consider that if you can...or stay as you are. Your choice.
Forgiveness is based on the cross, the shedding of His blood. And as His sacrifice was "better" than that of animals, it accomplished more, so although I believe we do seem to follow the pattern of how it went for the children of Israel, it is on a whole other level. Else the Jews wouldn't have needed the gospel. You equate believers as being on the same level as unsaved Jews, which is categorically incorrect.
Maybe this has to do with why you teach this in an unspiritual way, as though it is a law and we are under the curse of it, rather than as a spiritually organic matter of growing and maturing and seeking to get hold of and walk in what we have received as much as is possible. It might be that you're reflecting your own unconscious self-condemnation for not walking in holiness for 23 years and need to receive forgiveness. You know, sometimes it actually takes humility to let go of self-condemnation and receive the forgiveness that we don't deserve.
That is a popular misconception. Forgiveness is Old Testament. Holiness and glorious perfection are New Testament. Read what God says on the subject in chapters 18 and 33 of Ezekiel. God judges by what we DO not what we believe. Beliefs are not salvific. Faith in God to do the impossible is what gets us translated into holiness. God is looking for faith...a faith like Abraham's who thought God would do the impossible by raising Isaac from the dead after he was sacrificed. But today, the impossible remains impossible because there is no faith, just as Jesus said.
The Jews are trying to improve themselves...just like ALL who are unable to seek God's face for an impossible translation into the kingdom realm. Modern believers are NOT seeking first the kingdom...as these have no idea what that looks like.
You are confusing what is spiritual with the spiritualization of, the "positional theology", the figurative language, that explains away the power of the gospel to save people FROM their sins (not IN their sins).
Was Jesus raised from the dead figuratively? Are the miracles we read in the bible mere spiritualizations? Why do you believe in a gospel without power?
Behold
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My Gospel is Paul's Gospel..... = "Christ Crucified".. "The Preaching of the Cross"...... "Justification by Faith"..
And this... and notice Carefully.. Paul's Teaching.
"""""For the preaching of The Cross is.... to them that PERISH = foolishness"... but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.""""
Notice that you perceive Paul Gospel as foolishness and false.
Paul says you are "perishing"......
Read the verse.
Its talking to you., as you have the issue with The Cross being God's eternal Forgiveness offered to sinners.
You are this one, @Episkopos
"""""For the preaching of the cross is.... to them that PERISH = foolishness"... but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.""""
""Jesus knew no sin". "no sin was found in Him".
See, had Jesus sinned, then His sacrifice on The Cross to forgive ALL our sins, would not have been accepted by God.
But because Jesus had no sin IN HIM.......then His Body and BLOOD became this..
= "God hath made Jesus, to BE SIN...for us".
"US", = all the born again believers = specifically.........and in general......Jesus died for the entire sin of the World....... John 3:16... (one believer at a time).
And you are his #1 minister on this Forum, according to your Threads, and Posts.
That's a fact that you've proved, according to your ISSUES you have with The Cross, and with Paul's gospel that you claim is : "FALSE".
Actually you are the false one.
You are the deceiver.....as only a dark light is going to claim that Paul's Gospel is "FALSE". as you claimed.
See....Its YOUR Salvation Testimony, that has no Cross in it, no forgiveness of your sin in it.... and no trusting in Christ, in it.
Did you want to revise it and add in all those that are not in the origianal, and re-post a lie?
You certainly are capable of it, @Episkopos
Still waiting.....
See you there....
God only judged Christ Rejectors..
John 3:36
Its the LAW that judges sin, and that means yours., and if Christ has not forgiven them,.. then when you die, you "die in your sins".. Jesus told you.
And yuo have a real problem, becaue you teach that "The Cross is not about FORGIVENESS"........so, them, how is God going to forgive yours?
There is no other way to have your sin forgiven, and you have openly DENiED more then 10x on this Forum....to ME.... that THE CROSS is about Forgiveness.
You teach that ist NOT about "forgivness"... so, that means you are denying that you are forgiven..
There is no other way to be forgiven you sin, fella.
See The CROSS for the update.
Your verse means that God will judge the world for not being Righteous.
This means that the world is in "Unbelief".......not having Trusted in Christ.........and has not received God's Imputed Righteousness.
Literally that Judgement is......>>"Taking Vengeance upon all THOSE (The World) who do not OBEY THE GOSPEL".
To "OBEY THE GOSPEL" keeps you from being judged as "UNRIGHTEOUS".
The Christian is born again, as "made righteous"......having Received "the Gift of righteousness".
Let me show you for the 3rd time.., for the benefit of the real bible students, as you are not that one..
The born again......have become "The righteousness of GOD, by faith".
Their "Faith is counted by God, as IChrist's) Righteousness"... = imputed to them.
God accepts the Faith of the Sinner, to then give the sinner, "The Gift of Righeousness".
Like this....."blessed is the person to whom God imputes RIGHTEOUSNESS........ without works".
"Doing right" is works, and nothing else.
God does not accept our works to accept us, becaus "All our works are as a filthy wrag" before God's Holiness.
See, religious self righteous people pretend that their works are somehow credible and acceptable when compared to Jesus's righteousness and God's Holiness.
If you actually knew the Lord, you would not be accuising Paul's Gospel of being "False". and you would not be trusing in your works to be accepted by God.
Behold
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There is no holiness, unless the person is forgiven.
Forgiveness is found on The Cross of Christ that you deny.
Did you want to update your theology, as it changes a lot, based on your next opinions..
Behold
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Forgiveness is found on The Cross of Christ.
The Cross of Christ is not found in the OLD TESTAMENT, literally.
In Fact, The Cross of Christ ENDED the OT, because it established the NT, as the NEW Covenant,
Behold
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Born again Christians are already IN the Kingdome of God.......
This is why they are all "seated in Heavenly places IN CHRIST"........right now.
Thay have eternally "passed from darkness to Light".......having been "translatined"......into the KOG.
To be born again, means you have been spiritually birthed by GOD, into the Kingdom of God.
= Bible 101
Behold
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amigo de christo
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I can easily sum it up in one simple word as to why not only epi do as he does
but that many do as they do .
INCLUSIVISM . and many have no idea they are under it either .
Satan is highly clever . And what a lie he has produced .
What a lie . what a lie and it wll gather all to be as one in what all will and shall find common ground upon sister .
While even many under its effects , MIGHT still battle one against another over specific doctrines
More and more this lie will grow upon their hearts and in their minds .
SOON
SOON my dear sister
SOON they will merge as one heart under what they all , at least beleive is love and is of GOD .
INCLUSIVISM is the most cleverly spun lie i have ever seen in my entire life .
But its love god is very wise . But the sheep do not heed his voice or the voices of many who now do his work
even dressed in wool .
So how does one seek God for this empowerment into a higher walk?
I remember this Epi from the old 2004 forum. You fell very hard. I wonder if you are fully recovered from it. Instead of accepting you are just a man in need for forgiveness like anyone else you are now trying to get back to the 2.5 years of total victory over sin? How did that work out? How about it today? How long are you without sin today?
Jesus loves you man.
I strongly suspect it isn't a one-size fits all formula. People so often want to make formulas out of the ways of God. But every soul is unique and has different needs, different strengths and weaknesses, different graces and callings, and different things to deal with and overcome, so the Lord leads each soul in a way that is unique to their particular situation. And everything is according to His will and wisdom and purpose, and even His timing, I believe.
This requires a full surrender to God with a WHOLE HEART. As in...you will find Me when you seek Me with all your heart. Coming from a rich country it's very hard for us to need God to that degree. Jesus said that it was very hard (or impossible) for a rich man to enter into the kingdom. But there is always being a guest...remaining humble and God-fearing. I would say almost all modern believers have a shot at being a guest IF we don't elevate ourselves in presumption and pride.
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