WOMEN ARE TO KEEP SILENT

[Doug]

[1Corinthians 14:34-35 KJV] 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

In this verse women are to keep silence, What does this mean?

First of all look at the verse below. Men were also to keep silence, so this was not directed only to women.

[1Corinthians 14:28 KJV] 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Paul was setting order and instruction to speaking in tongues. Women were not to speak in tongues in the church.

Now as to verse 35 if a women learned anything to edify the church they should ask their husbands about it. It is the husband that should reveal it in the church. The women were not permitted to speak in the assembly.

Women were allowed to speak to other women in the church.[Titus 2:4 KJV] 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

Women could labor in the ministry. [Philippians 4:3 KJV] 3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and [with] other my fellowlabourers, whose names [are] in the book of life.

 

[Wynona]

True

 

[Davy]

[1Corinthians 14:34-35 KJV] 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

In this verse women are to keep silence, What does this mean?

First of all look at the verse below. Men were also to keep silence, so this was not directed only to women.

[1Corinthians 14:28 KJV] 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Paul was setting order and instruction to speaking in tongues. Women were not to speak in tongues in the church.

Now as to verse 35 if a women learned anything to edify the church they should ask their husbands about it. It is the husband that should reveal it in the church. The women were not permitted to speak in the assembly.
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That was NOT Apostle Paul's meaning of that 1 Corinthians 14:34 verse.

That verse has been used and abused against women speaking in the Church per that old tradition of men for centuries, just because those don't pay attention to everything Paul said in that specific section of 1 Cor.14 Scripture.


You failed to complete what Paul said there. You instead went with man's tradition against women speaking in the Church.

1 Cor 14:34-38
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Look how Paul responded after his above statement...

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

What? Did The Word of God come out from you men only, or to you men only? That is what Paul is asking above.


It is obvious that The Word of God came to women also. That does not mean the woman is to lord it over their husbands or over the Church, for Paul was against that. But as for God also revealing The Gospel to women, and their ability to teach that Gospel (just not as pastors in the Church), He gave that ability to women also.

Per Acts 18, the Christian Aquila and his wife Priscilla both expounded the way of God more perfectly to the believer called Apollos, showing that Priscilla was also able and allowed to teach.


37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
KJV

 

[Bladerunner]

That was NOT Apostle Paul's meaning of that 1 Corinthians 14:34 verse.

That verse has been used and abused against women speaking in the Church per that old tradition of men for centuries, just because those don't pay attention to everything Paul said in that specific section of 1 Cor.14 Scripture.


You failed to complete what Paul said there. You instead went with man's tradition against women speaking in the Church.

1 Cor 14:34-38
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Look how Paul responded after his above statement...

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

What? Did The Word of God come out from you men only, or to you men only? That is what Paul is asking above.


It is obvious that The Word of God came to women also. That does not mean the woman is to lord it over their husbands or over the Church, for Paul was against that. But as for God also revealing The Gospel to women, and their ability to teach that Gospel (just not as pastors in the Church), He gave that ability to women also.

Per Acts 18, the Christian Aquila and his wife Priscilla both expounded the way of God more perfectly to the believer called Apollos, showing that Priscilla was also able and allowed to teach.


37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
KJV

"Old Tradition" I thought it was GOD's Word and that does not change. It is not a living Bible.

 

[pandaflower]

[1Corinthians 14:34-35 KJV] 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

In this verse women are to keep silence, What does this mean?

First of all look at the verse below. Men were also to keep silence, so this was not directed only to women.

[1Corinthians 14:28 KJV] 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Paul was setting order and instruction to speaking in tongues. Women were not to speak in tongues in the church.

Now as to verse 35 if a women learned anything to edify the church they should ask their husbands about it. It is the husband that should reveal it in the church. The women were not permitted to speak in the assembly.

Women were allowed to speak to other women in the church.[Titus 2:4 KJV] 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

Women could labor in the ministry. [Philippians 4:3 KJV] 3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and [with] other my fellowlabourers, whose names [are] in the book of life.

Isn't it odd. Paul said Jesus said there is no male or female,we are all one in Christ. And yet there are those who don't realize when Paul taught these things he was talking of and to those in the churches he started.

Jesus cannot contradict himself.

 

[Davy]

"Old Tradition" I thought it was GOD's Word and that does not change. It is not a living Bible.

Old tradition from MEN, and not from God, that is what the false interpretation of that 1 Cor.14:34 verse against women speaking in Church is, that Paul was addressing. And Paul responded in the 36th verse with "What? came the word of God out from you? or came it to you only?", with Paul speaking to men in the Church.

 

[Iina]

[1Corinthians 14:34-35 KJV] 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

In this verse women are to keep silence, What does this mean?

First of all look at the verse below. Men were also to keep silence, so this was not directed only to women.

[1Corinthians 14:28 KJV] 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Paul was setting order and instruction to speaking in tongues. Women were not to speak in tongues in the church.

Now as to verse 35 if a women learned anything to edify the church they should ask their husbands about it. It is the husband that should reveal it in the church. The women were not permitted to speak in the assembly.

Women were allowed to speak to other women in the church.[Titus 2:4 KJV] 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

Women could labor in the ministry. [Philippians 4:3 KJV] 3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and [with] other my fellowlabourers, whose names [are] in the book of life.

I think it means what people have thought it meant for most of Christian history: women cannot hold positions of religious authority and shouldn't talk in church. I think the people who believe in equality are delusional. There is no equality on Earth, and there's not much evidence of it in Heaven, either.
American/liberal Christianity is so annoying I'm just going to not engage the 'other side' here.

Isn't it odd. Paul said Jesus said there is no male or female,we are all one in Christ. And yet there are those who don't realize when Paul taught these things he was talking of and to those in the churches he started.

There's no distinction in having faith or in being saved in Christ. That's not the same as administrative regulations or the vocation of individuals in the world. Equality is actually nonsense and I am quite frankly already done talking about this. I don't find this productive and I think it's just American liberalism eating into Christianity.

 

[Lambano]

Don't worry about women preaching; nobody's listening anyway. Everybody here thinks they already know what God wants.

 

[MatthewG]

That’s right and to have supper cooked when I get in. Just kidding of course this had to with the church culture itself is why Paul wrote concerning the women in that one region. It was mainly writing to those people in the specific place he had written where it mentions women shall remain quiet in the church. It wasn’t about them never speaking but the priorities and responsibilities which were needed to be done first, and not to become overly zealous.

There many material church buildings that will down play the role and importance and meaningful impact women give in their supporting roles they are given, to do.

 

[Lizbeth]

I'm amazed at how many think being an help meet for the man means nothing more than being a housemaid with benefits and a cook, (although these are honourable tasks which certainly need doing, if one can't afford to pay a servant). It leads to women falling short of being "meet" for the man, and it also can lead to men being inconsiderate in how they live at home, and treating their wives as inferiors, and refusing to help out domestically. But women are not to be in positions of authority over men, leading churches and teaching doctrine, or usurping and trampling on their husband's authority at home.......that I believe.

It seems that women not speaking in church meetings has to do with both distracting with questions and social chit-chat as well as usurping authority......but if the Holy Spirit unctions and gives a woman something to share from HIM, I don't see why she can't, if the men who are leading allow. As long as the men are vigilant and discerning, and not abdicating their role as spiritual protectors/overseers. From scripture, it seems women both prayed and prophesied in the first century gatherings.

 

[Doug]

That was NOT Apostle Paul's meaning of that 1 Corinthians 14:34 verse.

That verse has been used and abused against women speaking in the Church per that old tradition of men for centuries, just because those don't pay attention to everything Paul said in that specific section of 1 Cor.14 Scripture.


You failed to complete what Paul said there. You instead went with man's tradition against women speaking in the Church.

1 Cor 14:34-38
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Look how Paul responded after his above statement...

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

What? Did The Word of God come out from you men only, or to you men only? That is what Paul is asking above.


It is obvious that The Word of God came to women also. That does not mean the woman is to lord it over their husbands or over the Church, for Paul was against that. But as for God also revealing The Gospel to women, and their ability to teach that Gospel (just not as pastors in the Church), He gave that ability to women also.

Per Acts 18, the Christian Aquila and his wife Priscilla both expounded the way of God more perfectly to the believer called Apollos, showing that Priscilla was also able and allowed to teach.


37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
KJV

[1Co 14:33 KJV] 33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Paul was saying that the Corinthian church was not the only church that had these gifts...........did the Corinthian church think they were the only ones who did?

[1Co 14:37 KJV] 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

The Corinthian church was split over Paul's authority, and he was telling them he was setting things in order by commandment of Christ

 

[Doug]

Isn't it odd. Paul said Jesus said there is no male or female,we are all one in Christ. And yet there are those who don't realize when Paul taught these things he was talking of and to those in the churches he started.

Jesus cannot contradict himself.

There was still man and woman in marriage.

There were men and women in the church as well and Paul was setting instructions as to how the church will operate.

 

[pandaflower]

There was still man and woman in marriage.

There were men and women in the church as well and Paul was setting instructions as to how the church will operate.

Yes,his churches.

 

[Davy]

[1Co 14:33 KJV] 33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Paul was saying that the Corinthian church was not the only church that had these gifts...........did the Corinthian church think they were the only ones who did?

The cloven tongue was NOT the subject in that 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 Scripture, which I think you well know, OTHERWISE you would have continued with posting that 34th verse in your post, which you FAILED to do! And I believe you left verse 34-36 out ON PURPOSE.

1 Cor 14:34-36
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Let the wives ask their husbands at home if they want to know anything? Does that sound... like it involves the cloven tongue of Pentecost?? NO! of course not! You obviously have not understood what you read from those Scriptures.

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
KJV

And then Paul rebukes the MEN for thinking that The Word of God only comes out from THEM, and not from women! That's the subject Paul was talking about in that 34-36 verse section. The men in the Church were being conceited for telling the women to keep silence. And let me tell ya, there's a lot of men that are just as gabby talking, and even more so, than a lot of women!

 

[Davy]

I think it means what people have thought it meant for most of Christian history: women cannot hold positions of religious authority and shouldn't talk in church. I think the people who believe in equality are delusional. There is no equality on Earth, and there's not much evidence of it in Heaven, either.
American/liberal Christianity is so annoying I'm just going to not engage the 'other side' here.

There's no distinction in having faith or in being saved in Christ. That's not the same as administrative regulations or the vocation of individuals in the world. Equality is actually nonsense and I am quite frankly already done talking about this. I don't find this productive and I think it's just American liberalism eating into Christianity.

Just so you know, I was definitely NOT pushing women's lib movements. I agree with everything Paul said about women not lording it over their husbands, nor over the Church as pastors. Did you not read that part of what I said?

The problem is... that Paul was making a statement to MEN about women keeping silent in Church. The actual meaning of 1 Cor.14:34 would have been better understood if at the start of the verse it had included a phrase like Jesus used, "It has been said that... women are to keep silent in the Church." That was how Paul meant what he said there, in the sense of prep for a correction of that attitude against women speaking in the Church.

But maybe you are not aware that many mainstream Christian denominations have Sunday School teachers that are women, and there is nothing written against them doing that? Yet according to the men that are ignorant as to Paul's meaning, they draw a hard bias line against women teaching Sunday School also.