Is the New World Translation a valid version of the Bible?

[HealthyShape]

A plan. I read John 1 very differently.

A plan was God?

 

[HealthyShape]

Jesus is the firstborn of the New Creation, and he is also the Creator of the New Creation.

But this is not what the verse is saying, right?

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

 

[HealthyShape]

I believe that Jesus is alluding to the anticipated glory mentioned in Psalm 8:3-6. Note the Genesis creation and the New Creation context, hence Jesus speaking of "before the world began".

Do you think your explanations really make sense in the plain reading of the texts and regarding their cultural and textual context?

Or would you say that, you are rather trying to find some plausible alternative readings that would fit with your belief, even though they are not exactly in the texts? Something like "you must dig deeper to find the real [mine] meaning" kind of thing?

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again HealthyShape,

Do you think your explanations really make sense in the plain reading of the texts and regarding their cultural and textual context?

My plain reading of my OT and NT foundation texts make perfect sense. I am not interested in turning this thread into a Trinitarian vs Unitarian discussion.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[MonoBiblical]

A plan was God?

Another word or worder was Jesus. Ουτος means other something doing the same thing.

 

[PS95]

I am a post-Millenialist. I also disagree with Christadelphian advice.

No you're not. Post millennial doesn't teach that Jesus already returned.

 

[MonoBiblical]

No you're not. Post millennial doesn't teach that Jesus already returned.

But yet I am neither a preterist in the traditional definition or perhaps meaning.

 

[PS95]

But yet I am neither a preterist in the traditional definition or perhaps meaning.

I'm getting the pic. It's all your very own.
Keep studying and keep praying as we all should..

 

[HealthyShape]

Greetings again HealthyShape,

My plain reading of my OT and NT foundation texts make perfect sense. I am not interested in turning this thread into a Trinitarian vs Unitarian discussion.

Kind regards
Trevor

I would not call your explanations "plain reading", because you change the verses, obviously, in your explanations (for examples "all creation" -> "new creation"). But as you wish.

 

[HealthyShape]

Another word or worder was Jesus. Ουτος means other something doing the same thing.

My question was about this:
"And the Word was God".
"kai theos én ho logos".

You said it is about a plan. So I asked - a plan was God? I do not understand what you mean by your answer.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again HealthyShape,

I would not call your explanations "plain reading", because you change the verses, obviously, in your explanations (for examples "all creation" -> "new creation"). But as you wish.

Perhaps one day we could discuss each of your favourite verses that you use to support the Trinity. Over the years I have developed some thorough responses to some of these verses, and if I saw a list like yours I would not answer all of your list, but select the ones that I am confident that I can give a worthwhile and accurate answer. One of my favourites is to discuss John 8:58 and I have discussed this thoroughly recently on another forum. To be honest I avoid some of the others. I consider that there are appropriate answers to these and I could possibly quote some of my reference material, but I do not consider that I am proficient to sufficiently convince someone who holds a different view of these.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[shepherdsword]

"The New World Translation is unique in one thing – it is the first intentional, systematic effort at producing a complete version of the Bible that is edited and revised for the specific purpose of agreeing with a group’s doctrine. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Society realized that their beliefs contradicted Scripture. So, rather than conforming their beliefs to Scripture, they altered Scripture to agree with their beliefs. The “New World Bible Translation Committee” went through the Bible and changed any Scripture that did not agree with Jehovah’s Witness theology"

Is the New World Translation a valid version of the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

Is the New World Translation a valid version of the Bible? Did the Jehovah’s Witnessess intentionally alter the Bible to create the New World Translation?

www.gotquestions.org

IOW, JW's twist the Hell out of nearly every verse in the Bible to change the meaning.

I have one of these and it is what the New World Translation is based on. They even twist the original greek:

 

[Jack]

I have one of these and it is what the New World Translation is based on. They even twist the original greek:

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They must have Bible twisting classes at Kingdom hall.

 

[HealthyShape]

Greetings again HealthyShape,

Perhaps one day we could discuss each of your favourite verses that you use to support the Trinity. Over the years I have developed some thorough responses to some of these verses, and if I saw a list like yours I would not answer all of your list, but select the ones that I am confident that I can give a worthwhile and accurate answer. One of my favourites is to discuss John 8:58 and I have discussed this thoroughly recently on another forum. To be honest I avoid some of the others. I consider that there are appropriate answers to these and I could possibly quote some of my reference material, but I do not consider that I am proficient to sufficiently convince someone who holds a different view of these.

Kind regards
Trevor

I sympathize with keeping the conversation focused on one thing or one verse. It is easier to follow.

However, I do not like reading "thorough responses", I prefer few sentences each post. Keeping it simple, clear and conversational. I do not want to read monologues or even preachings. If I do not agree with the first premises or reasoning, the rest of the text becomes useless and boring to read.

 

[MonoBiblical]

My question was about this:
"And the Word was God".
"kai theos én ho logos".

You said it is about a plan. So I asked - a plan was God? I do not understand what you mean by your answer.

Jesus was the second word or worder in the gospel of John. A worder can be something the informs, but a LOGOS is not a full statement in Greek.

 

[PS95]

I have one of these and it is what the New World Translation is based on. They even twist the original greek:

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Me too. I have 2 editions. It is clear as day what they do. It's awful- and it's all over the scriptures not just the ones that are widely known.
My JW family refuses to look at their own interlinear.. Think about that.
I asked why- and was told that they were told it could confuse them.

 

[PS95]

Jesus was the second word or worder in the gospel of John. A worder can be something the informs, but a LOGOS is not a full statement in Greek.

A plan has no memories of a prior existence. Jesus clearly did, and that is not disputable no matter how much twisting you try to do.

 

[MonoBiblical]

A plan has no memories of a prior existence. Jesus clearly did, and that is not disputable no matter how much twisting you try to do.

Here's the thing. I was talking about his Father.

 

[PS95]

Here's the thing. I was talking about his Father.

The Word was the Father?

 

[MonoBiblical]

The Word was the Father?

There are many LOGOI. There are 4 in the previous sentence. A LOGOS is something that informs in one unit.

Plus, outos means another thing doing something.