Spirit filled believer?

[Carl Emerson]

Just as in the first century, Christ’s disciples had to separate from the old corrupted Jewish system, as Jesus’ sacrifice had introduce a new covenant, and a new way to worship the God that Jesus came to teach his fellow Jews about. The true God had been lost in the false doctrines of the Pharisees, long abandoned by the God they claimed to worship.

Where did Jesus and his apostles direct those who wanted to worship the true God in truth?
Congregations were established and the disciples met together for worship (Heb 10:24-25) sometimes in people’s homes, or other places, but the whole Christian movement was directed by a governing body in Jerusalem made up of the apostles and older men, whose responsibility it was to keep the truth from becoming corrupted. Whilst the apostles lived, they restrained the foretold apostasy (2 Rhess 2:6-12) until the last apostle John penned his Revelation and his last three letter, concluding the Bible as we know it.

It is not obedience to the rules of men that we follow, but the rules laid down in the Scriptures by Jesus and his apostles.
We are told to obey those taking the lead among us (Heb 13:17)....are you saying that we don’t need to do that?
Look around you at the hopelessly divided religious system that masquerades as “Christianity” in today’s world, and see what happens when you make up your own rules. Who is following men?

As Jesus himself taught....what is not from God, is from the devil...the one who sowed the “weeds” so long ago that people think that they are flowers and keep on planting them everywhere. The devil has a big crop....but the harvest time approaches...then we will see who is who, and which is which.

Thanks for graciously confirming your position.

I hope you have the Grace to let others communicate freely without being told their experiences of God are Satanic.

 

[Aunty Jane]

She teaches that not ever Christian is Born again.
She teaches that not every Christian goes to Heaven.
She teaches there is no "Hell". no Judgement associated with Hell.

The JW cult is a man - made "doctrine of devils"... Hebrews 13:9

And where does your cult originate? Who are your brethren Behold? What do you call your church?

You hold to doctrines that are not found in the Bible at all, and were never believed by the Jews whose “Scripture was inspired of God”. (2 Tim 3:16-17)

Just as the devil corrupted Judaism, so he has corrupted Christianity....as it was foretold.
Not all Christians are “born again” because only the “chosen ones” (elected) go to heaven...and for a specific purpose.....why do they go to heaven Behold? What is their role in the place where Jesus went to prepare a place for them?

Show us please where “a hell of eternal torment” exists as a punishment for a short lifetime of sin? Where is the justice in a sentence like that? Why would God keep souls alive only to torture them forever?
If that is the God you worship, then he is despicable and sadistic fiend.....but apparently you love him.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Thanks for graciously confirming your position.

I hope you have the Grace to let others communicate freely without being told their experiences of God are Satanic.

I speak the truth....it’s not a convenient truth for the those who still need to see miracles.....it is my experience as a Witness for over 50 years that genuine “experiences of God” in this world are very few and far between at this late stage. A great many of those who claim such experience are themselves confined in psychiatric units.

Soon now Jesus will make his judgment, and we will all know for certain then, which experiences were a cruel trick to ensnare the ones who still ‘demand a sign’ as the Pharisees did.
Faith is described as “the assured expectation of things hoped for....but not seen”....(Heb 11:1)

The miracles had to cease because they had fulfilled their purpose......God was not going to compete with the devil for miracles, because he doesn’t have to.
By ceasing them at the close of the first century, he allowed the apostasy to envelop the world and for his people to prove themselves by the strength of their faith that does not require miracles.

Christians had to grow up and base all their faith on the qualities that would see them through these difficult “last days”, without the devil steering them in the wrong direction by his “angel of light” trick.
This is what people need to “be aware of”.....

 

[Carl Emerson]

Just as in the first century, Christ’s disciples had to separate from the old corrupted Jewish system, as Jesus’ sacrifice had introduce a new covenant, and a new way to worship the God that Jesus came to teach his fellow Jews about. The true God had been lost in the false doctrines of the Pharisees, long abandoned by the God they claimed to worship.

Where did Jesus and his apostles direct those who wanted to worship the true God in truth?
Congregations were established and the disciples met together for worship (Heb 10:24-25) sometimes in people’s homes, or other places, but the whole Christian movement was directed by a governing body in Jerusalem made up of the apostles and older men, whose responsibility it was to keep the truth from becoming corrupted. Whilst the apostles lived, they restrained the foretold apostasy (2 Rhess 2:6-12) until the last apostle John penned his Revelation and his last three letter, concluding the Bible as we know it.

It is not obedience to the rules of men that we follow, but the rules laid down in the Scriptures by Jesus and his apostles.
We are told to obey those taking the lead among us (Heb 13:17)....are you saying that we don’t need to do that?
Look around you at the hopelessly divided religious system that masquerades as “Christianity” in today’s world, and see what happens when you make up your own rules. Who is following men?

As Jesus himself taught....what is not from God, is from the devil...the one who sowed the “weeds” so long ago that people think that they are flowers and keep on planting them everywhere. The devil has a big crop....but the harvest time approaches...then we will see who is who, and which is which.

Thanks for graciously confirming your position.

I hope you have the Grace to let others communicate freely without being told their experiences of God are Satanic

 

[Aunty Jane]

Thanks for graciously confirming your position.

I hope you have the Grace to let others communicate freely without being told their experiences of God are Satanic

I am under obligation to tell the truth.....others are free to evaluate what I say, just as they are free to evaluate what you say......God is watching and listening.....Jesus will then render his judgment...not yours or mine.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I am under obligation to tell the truth.....others are free to evaluate what I say, just as they are free to evaluate what you say......God is watching and listening.....Jesus will then render his judgment...not yours or mine.

We are all under obligation to tell the Truth but not all have ears to hear.

Your truth comes to a great extend through the filter of Mr. Russell.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I am under obligation to tell the truth.....

Is that the watchtower "truth" the jehovah's witness are hawkin?

I'll pass since none of that stuff is biblical.

The miracles had to cease because they had fulfilled their purpose......

No, they did not cease for those that believe God's promises.

Those that don't believe God's promises won't be bothered with miracles

So you are speaking for yourself there, not for those living by the Faith of Jesus Christ.

 

[Aunty Jane]

We are all under obligation to tell the Truth but not all have ears to hear.

Indeed....one man’s truth is another man’s trash. Those deluded by Satan never see what is right in front of their noses. (2 Thess 2:9-12) If you hold a majority view, you are on the wrong path. God has never been with the majority.

Your truth comes to a great extend through the filter of Mr. Russell.

It began with Charles Russell and his associates, but by no means finished with them....”the light on the path” has increased significantly since then. (Prov 4:18) ....”the wheat” are all Christ’s disciples, from the first century down till now. The “weeds” have not increased in knowledge since the devil sowed them. They have nothing more to learn apparently.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

It began with Charles Russell and his associates, but by no means finished with them....”the light on the path” has increased significantly since then. (Prov 4:18) ....”the wheat” are all Christ’s disciples, from the first century down till now. The “weeds” have not increased in knowledge since the devil sowed them. They have nothing more to learn apparently.

Charles Taze Russell was definitely a tare.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Is that the watchtower "truth" the jehovah's witness are hawkin?

I'll pass since none of that stuff is biblical.

That is entirely up to you....but I don’t think you have any idea what is biblical if you subscribe to what the churches reach....they all teach different truths...how many are there do you think?

No, they did not cease for those that believe God's promises.

Those that don't believe God's promises won't be bothered with miracles

So you are speaking for yourself there, not for those living by the Faith of Jesus Christ.

If you say so....those who live by faith don’t need miracles that can be duplicated by the devil. The “angel of light” has many followers....he’s like the Pied Piper.

What does a “tare” look like? How can you tell?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That is entirely up to you....but I don’t think you have any idea what is biblical if you subscribe to what the churches reach....they all teach different truths...how many are there do you think?

Charles Taze Russell was a tare that taught heresy.

It leads to an eternal place not expected as you folks will be finding out if thou doesn't repent from heresy, and quick!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

What does a “tare” look like? How can you tell?

To find an example of the teachings of the tares... just read the watchtower society's teachings

 

[Carl Emerson]

Indeed....one man’s truth is another man’s trash. Those deluded by Satan never see what is right in front of their noses. (2 Thess 2:9-12) If you hold a majority view, you are on the wrong path. God has never been with the majority.

It began with Charles Russell and his associates, but by no means finished with them....”the light on the path” has increased significantly since then. (Prov 4:18) ....”the wheat” are all Christ’s disciples, from the first century down till now. The “weeds” have not increased in knowledge since the devil sowed them. They have nothing more to learn apparently.

In our country Christians are in large minority.

Yep... Russell and Co. are your theological filter.

Funny - years back I was visited by JW who said that if I did their bible study I would soon know it was true.

Then the Mormons showed up and made the same claim...

What they had in common was a love for my wife's scones.

So I asked them to sort it out between themselves - and they never did.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Charles Taze Russell was a tare that taught heresy.

Who told you that?

It leads to an eternal place not expected as you folks will be finding out if thou doesn't repent from heresy, and quick!

What is a heresy? The Catholic Church taught that anything that was opposed to their teachings was heresy....now we have Protestantism teaching the very same thing for 500 years....so, who are the heretics? And what constitutes an actual heresy?
Can you give me an example backed up by Scripture?....not cherry picked verses, but in context.

To find an example of the teachings of the tares... just read the watchtower society's teachingsView attachment 70018

No..... don’t be lazy....Pick one and we can discuss it.....I have a sneaking suspicion that you have no idea....and you will have to consult our opposers in order to invent one.

I came out of Christendom so I’ve been on both sides of this fence.....I know what you believe, but you don’t know what we believe.....you just go by what others tell you, like the Jews did with Jesus.

 

[walter]

I belong to the same faith as Aunty Jane we can support or beliefs by reading Jesus and the Apostles words alone.
Our foundation of beliefs is explained by Jesus and the Apostles words and the entire Bible. --2 Timothy 3:16-17
What is important to me is to let the Bible do all the talking.

Peace be with you and your family, I extend to you all the kindnesses of the fruit of the Spirit.

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. -Berean Standard Bible

 

[Behold]

And where does your cult originate?

My "church" is actually related to the NT.

Your denomination isnt.

Who are your brethren Behold?

All the born again are the literal "brethren"... regarding Christianity.

But regarding secular Jews, you find John the Apostle refering to them as "brethren", even tho they are not Christians.

What do you call your church?

Messianic, Bible believing.

 

[Behold]

This is the grim reality....Christ’s true disciples are no part of that religious system with its false doctrines and adopted pagan beliefs and practices. (

Your post just perfectly defined the Jehovah's Witness cult.
So, if you kinow its Satanic, why are you here trying to sell your Cult's theology to actual Christians?

 

[Aunty Jane]

My "church" is actually related to the NT.

Your denomination

Who told you that? What about your “denomination”?
From what you post, it is clear to me that you have little knowledge of Scripture and a very confused knowledge of Christendom’s theology, as you depart from the orthodox view yourself. I cannot see where your beliefs in any way reflect the teachings of Jesus Christ...nor do they reflect Paul’s teachings either.

All the born again are the literal "brethren"... regarding Christianity.

So, as far as you are concerned, anyone who claims to be “born again” is your “literal brethren” even if they disagree with your theology? Is that unity? (1 Cor 1:10)
And anyone who says that they are not “born again” (because they know exactly what it means), must of necessity be a heretic.....?
What is a heretic in your definition then? Someone who disagrees with your own heresy?

But regarding secular Jews, you find John the Apostle refering to them as "brethren", even tho they are not Christians.

I think you are confusing a Jew with an Israeli. What is a “secular Jew”?
What is a Jew who claims to be a Christian?
What are Jews who claim to follow Jesus as Messiah but who refuse to be called “Christians”?
Where are you in that even more confused rabble?
Sounds like the Pharisees and the Sadducees all over again....

Messianic, Bible believing.

So you are part of the Messianic Jewish religion? What parts of the Bible do you believe?

 

[Behold]

Who told you that? What about your “denomination”?

I dont belong to a Denomination.
There are no denominations in Heaven.
My church is not in America or in England or in Europe, as in these locations, everyone is in a Denomination.....(almost).
Whereas in Israel, my church is a Local Assembly, of born again Christians.
And because there are many people who have transplanted into Israel from different countries since '1967......then this church is fortunate to have many who are not originally born in the Middle East.
If you came to visit and you dont speak Hebrews, then we offer you a set of headphones, and a person translates the entire service for you as you sit there and listen.

From what you post, it is clear to me that you have little knowledge of Scripture

You always say the same thing over and over., yet you are unable to prove it.

See, you can't teach "Chrisitanity", as its not built on NT Theology that is recognized by-as Paul's teaching.
The JW Cult, is a man made religious theology, that attaches itself to christianity, and pretends its "christian".

Sure , you can quote verses, and then bend them into JW theology.
But that is all you can do.

So, as far as you are concerned, anyone who claims to be “born again” is your “literal brethren” even if they disagree with your theology? Is that unity? (1 Cor 1:10)

If someone is born again, then they are the body of Christ, the " NT church"
Being born again is the only literal proof a person has become a Christian.
This is why Jesus told you that you "MUST be born again"... before you die.

And anyone who says that they are not “born again” (because they know exactly what it means), must of necessity be a heretic.....?

If you are not born again, then You're not a Chrisitan.
See, a Christian would know this.....
You dont.

What is a heretic in your definition then?

A heretic is person who teaches false theology that pretends its "scriptural".
They can be a Christian, or they can be a religious person who is pretending to be a Christian.

Someone who disagrees with your own heresy?

I only teach Pauline Theology.
You would not recognize it, because your cult is not "OF" Paul's Doctrine that is the NT doctrine for the Chruch, that is taught by Paul.

I think you are confusing a Jew with an Israeli. What is a “secular Jew”?

A non religious (unbelieving) Jew, is "secular".
Exactly as a secular unbeliever, in America, is an American.

What is a Jew who claims to be a Christian?

Messianic

What are Jews who claim to follow Jesus as Messiah but who refuse to be called “Christians”?

They are Disciples.

Where are you in that even more confused rabble?

A Christian.

Im only labeling Christian Jews as "Messianic" for the sake of answering your question.
You're labeling them, and i understand what you mean, so, im just responsing to you according to your limited knowledge.

However, to be theologically correct......then to be "in Christ" there is none of this., there is only.....

= """There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."""

Sounds like the Pharisees and the Sadducees all over again....

You can't hearl the spiritual because you are just very religious., and indoctrined by JW theology.

So you are part of the Messianic Jewish religion?

There is no such thing.
There are just Chrisitan Jews, who are referred to as "messianic".

What parts of the Bible do you believe?

All of it, is the Bible i believe.
But i only Teach Pauline Theology.

What is that?
Its all the doctrine for the Chruch.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Your post just perfectly defined the Jehovah's Witness cult.
So, if you kinow its Satanic, why are you here trying to sell your Cult's theology to actual Christians?

I think that you accuse yourself every time you accuse my brotherhood of being a “cult”.....what is yours then? It sounds way more ‘cultish’ than mine ever could.

We do not even fit the definition, because we have no human leader....we have one leader who teaches us all things, and that is Jesus Christ....the son of God. It is he who appointed a “faithful and wise slave” in this time of the end, when he is about to make his “presence” felt as the judge of all mankind.

This “slave” (not an individual) is given the assignment to “feed” his fellow slaves “their food at the proper time”....(Matt 24:45) so if we are not being “fed” this “food” (spiritual knowledge and instruction) in this time period before judgement is passed, we will be found feeding at the wrong table. There are only two.
There are only two kinds of religion in satan’s world...true and false, regardless of what ‘label’ they wear.

Jesus is fully aware of what the devil has sown in this world, and who has fallen for his counterfeit “Christianity”, betrayed by a complete lack of unity.......these “weeds” will soon be gathered and disposed of, leaving only the “wheat” to carry on the work of the kingdom on into the “new earth”.....not a new planet but a cleansed one as it was in Noah’s day...this time not by water, but by the fire of God’s righteous justice.

Our only assignment as Christ’s disciples is to “preach the good news of the Kingdom” to all who have ears to listen (Matt 24:14).....but a precedent has already been set.....”and as the days of Noah -- so shall be also the presence of the Son of Man; for as they were, in the days before the flood, eating, and drinking, marrying, and giving in marriage, till the day Noah entered into the ark, and they did not know till the flood came and took all away; so shall be also the presence of the Son of Man.” (Matt 24:37-39 YLT)

What do you notice about the rendering of that verse in the YLT compared to other translations?
The word “presence” is used instead of “coming”....do you know why? And why it makes a difference?

Strongs defines the word “parousia” as used in most English translations as....

1. “presence”

Yet it is invariably translated as “coming”......Paul’s words at 1 Thess 2:19 reveal the difference between “presence” and “coming”.

“For who is our hope or joy or crown of exultation? Is it not even you, in the presence G1715 of our Lord Jesus at His coming?” (NSAB)

Now here is where the confusion begins.....”presence” and “coming” are both used in this verse, so what is the difference? The difference is in the translation.....
The word translated “presence” in that verse is “emprosthen” which basically means that someone is ‘standing right in front of you’, whereas, “parousia” which means “presence” is not translated correctly.
Why does it matter?

If you are at a gathering and you see someone that you know, their “presence” is obvious, but you did not see them arrive (come). But since they are right there in front of you, you logically assume that they arrived at some time, that you did not discern.

The ‘arrival’ of our Lord Jesus in these end times was to be “in the same manner” as he left. The world at large did not discern it, and the apostles were the only ones who witnessed it. It was not a newsworthy moment to the world, but an amazing miracle for the apostles to see. He rose up from the earth and disappeared into a cloud. (Acts 1:9-11)

So when Christ was to return, in what manner was he to arrive? The world at large would again not discern it, but his true disciples would know by the “sign” he gave them. (Matt 24:3) Monumental world events would signal what the world could not discern in a spiritual way.....unprecedented war, famine, pestilence, major earthquakes, increase in crime and violence and the love of neighbor disappearing from the world as selfishness and greed overtook them. (Matt 24:3-14; Luke 21:8-19) These events have clearly identified the time of Christ’s “parousia” and also the nearness of his “coming” for the final judgment on this world.

What has Jesus been doing all this time? He has been ‘separating the sheep from the goats’, based on the message that he gave his disciples to preach “in all the inhabited earth as a witness to all the nations” before “the end” comes. (Matt 24:14; Matt 28:19-20)

Where will he find the real “Christians” among all that confused and divided mess....those who will claim him as their “Lord”? (Matt 7:21-23) All who claim to be “Christian” are proven by their works, not just their empty words. (James 2:17, 26)

Jesus knows the difference, and his true disciples have been fulfilling their commission now for over 100 years, without let up. This is why the world of our day will also have no excuse, like the world that perished before in Noah’s day. They ignored the warning and ridiculed God’s messenger instead. (2 Peter 2:1-3, 5-6, 9)

History repeats....