Spirit filled believer?

[Aunty Jane]

If you knew Jesus, you would not have any questions.

I don’t have any questions now....they have all been answered from the information that God had recorded in his word.

John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

I know Jesus.

Again......that’s what they all say...and yet they do not share the same ‘brand’ of “Christianity”.
Does the Christ exist divided? Who then are Jesus’ sheep?....because the “goats” are also bleating...and the wolves are wearing a sheep suit. This is what Jesus himself taught.
How do we tell the difference?
Whose voice are the majority listening to? Is there more than one truth?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Matthew 22:14 - For many are called and few are chosen. I read this verse as literal

I have a completely different interpretation of that verse......read the whole passage and see who Jesus was referring to. (Matt 22:1-13)

many are called, and they are, and Jesus chooses a few. That is why I and a "few" more here, declare our chosen status. Yet, many are called. There are many ways to be called, but make no mistake, you'll know when you are called.

The many who were initially “called”, proved unworthy...and so God “invited” others, considered by the Jews to be unworthy.....but who gladly accepted the invitation. This is about Jews and gentiles.

Put your bible down and pray to Jesus, humbly and in submission, for His salvation.

What makes you think that I haven’t submitted to Christ? That is a bit arrogant, isn’t it?....and putting the Bible down is exactly what satan wants us to do. Since “all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for setting all matters straight” (2 Tim 3:16-17)...putting down the Bible is the very reason why we have so many divisions in a basically useless and divided “church” system that just confuses people.

If you have pride, Jesus won't hear you. Get rid of trying to control your life. Submit to Jesus and make Him Lord over you, then it is no longer you who lives, but Christ in you.

Are you yourself not demonstrating pride in what you believe about yourself and others? Where is the proof of your calling or choosing? Anyone can make the claims that you make.....and there is no doubt that you believe it.......but that doesn’t make it true....as I said, Jesus knows who his sheep are, and that’s all that matters.

 

[Rockerduck]

I have a completely different interpretation of that verse......read the whole passage and see who Jesus was referring to. (Matt 22:1-13)


The many who were initially “called”, proved unworthy...and so God “invited” others, considered by the Jews to be unworthy.....but who gladly accepted the invitation. This is about Jews and gentiles.


What makes you think that I haven’t submitted to Christ? That is a bit arrogant, isn’t it?....and putting the Bible down is exactly what satan wants us to do. Since “all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for setting all matters straight” (2 Tim 3:16-17)...putting down the Bible is the very reason why we have so many divisions in a basically useless and divided “church” system that just confuses people.

Are you yourself not demonstrating pride in what you believe about yourself and others? Where is the proof of your calling or choosing? Anyone can make the claims that you make.....and there is no doubt that you believe it.......but that doesn’t make it true....as I said, Jesus knows who his sheep are, and that’s all that matters.

When you are in Christ you relinquished the pride. When receiving the Holy Spirit of promise, you have been crucified with Christ and live for Christ, because Christ is in you. Jesus knows His sheep, and His sheep know His voice. John 10:4. There is two parts of that. Jesus knowing you and you know His voice.

Proof? Doesn't an atheist ask the same question? Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:8 - The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

 

[Carl Emerson]

I have spoken with many Christians about this but few can actually say they saw the hand of God or a miracle or divine intervention

So if I give hard evidence including hospital records - what then... ???

 

[Aunty Jane]

Jesus knows His sheep, and His sheep know His voice. John 10:4. There is two parts of that. Jesus knowing you and you know His voice.

Yes, and this is important as Matt 7:21-23 demonstrates. Claiming Jesus as your “Lord” clearly doesn’t make you one who is recognized by him....nor does claiming “powerful works”, as these can be duplicated by the devil. It then becomes a choice between the truth and a deception. Is God going to compete for miracles with the devil in the post apostolic age? Why would he?

The deceiver has the “many” no matter what they claim......Jesus has the “few” who find the narrow gate and enter the cramped road, unencumbered by the weighty doctrines of Christendom, fully prepared for the roadblocks and rough times ahead.

Proof? Doesn't an atheist ask the same question? Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:8 - The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Blind faith is not worth anything, because it can easily be undermined and dismissed as error.....unless there is a firm knowledge base for what we believe, (not thin, church theology) we will be become like the doubter that James described....

“If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.” (James 1:5-8 ESV)

But the reverse of that is having faith in something that is proven to be an error, and yet stubbornly refusing to admit that error.

An example of thin, church based theology was your assertion regarding a Matt 22:14.
Your theology gave you the wrong slant on the single verse you chose to highlight. Context revealed the true meaning which you simply ignored. (Pride?)

Running away with an emotional connection to Christ does not provide us with a firm foundation for what we believe, and so it is easily disputed and proven false. Why we believe something is much weightier than the belief itself.

Christendom’s adherents rarely acknowledge their errors when pointed out.....it’s like water off a duck’s back. They then become unteachable, thinking that “the church” knows it all, when they actually know very little when pressed for evidence for their differing beliefs.

The atheist then has the advantage because he will at least demand that evidence.
God does the rest. (1 Cor 3:6-7)

 

[Cross8527]

So if I give hard evidence including hospital records - what then... ???

I do not need evidence just a real testimony and what brought you to the point where God's divine intervention was needed

 

[Aunty Jane]

So if I give hard evidence including hospital records - what then... ???

Hard evidence of what? If we recall the things that the devil inflicted on Job, doesn’t that indicate the kind of power he can demonstrate on a human body? He was told he could afflict Job in whatever way he chose but he was not to take his life.
What if can also reverse the malady so as to deceive those who want to believe that miracles still take place? The healings of today, when compared to those in the apostolic era, are poor imitations of what God’s spirit can do.

Most ignore the fact that miraculous healing and resurrections of the first century took place with unbelievers......not a single miracles was enacted on a believer. The apostles never used the gifts on themselves or each other. They were given to bring people to Christ.
Who are claiming the miracles of today? Whose power is being demonstrated? Can we deny that the devil has such power, and is allowed to use them for the same reason in our day?

 

[Cross8527]

Hard evidence of what? If we recall the things that the devil inflicted on Job, doesn’t that indicate the kind of power he can demonstrate on a human body? He was told he could afflict Job in whatever way he chose but he was not to take his life.
What if can also reverse the malady so as to deceive those who want to believe that miracles still take place? The healings of today, when compared to those in the apostolic era, are poor imitations of what God’s spirit can do.

Most ignore the fact that miraculous healing and resurrections of the first century took place with unbelievers......not a single miracles was enacted on a believer. The apostles never used the gifts on themselves or each other. They were given to bring people to Christ.
Who are claiming the miracles of today? Whose power is being demonstrated? Can we deny that the devil has such power, and is allowed to use them for the same reason in our day?

Even if the devil does make fake miracles to deceive or imitate God the question we should be asking is if he is doing this what is the reason for it because he only works against God and he always has a plan to work against us and God, so the purpose of fake miracles is to deieve correct? but if one does fall for such deception I have never heard of anyone falling away from faith for believing in what seems impossible.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Even if the devil does make fake miracles to deceive or imitate God the question we should be asking is if he is doing this what is the reason for it because he only works against God and he always has a plan to work against us and God, so the purpose of fake miracles is to deieve correct?

Yes...to deceive...”disguised as an angel of light”.....what is the purpose of that? He is the sower of the “weeds”...false Christians whose doctrines are not from the Bible, but from the sower of an imitation Christianity, designed to lure people away from the truth....why would he not use fake miracles to attract people to his counterfeit “church” system instead of the real thing? What a confused rabble Christendom is, and adding miracles to the mix just confuses people even more.

The devil knows what people want to hear and so he tickles their ears.....
2 Tim 4:2-5...NASB...Paul warned Timothy...
“preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.”

With a lack of sound Bible knowledge, the devil gives them seemingly impossible “miracles” that defy explanation......except that that the Bible explains them well. Who is listening?

Most have no idea how powerful the devil is, and how deceptive his whole world system is (1 John 5:19)....the world is ruled by corrupt governments under his influence, who sacrifice their own citizens to gain the ascendency over their enemies.....greedy merchants, so eager to sell you their goods that they will pester you at every possible opportunity....and a range of false religions who mislead their charges into believing that those outside of their faith are their enemies. Even within Christendom we see people so divided over politics that they will kill anyone who disagrees with them...even a fellow “Christian”.

but if one does fall for such deception I have never heard of anyone falling away from faith for believing in what seems impossible.

I have spoken to many who have attended faith healing sessions, with the highest of hopes for a miracle to take place, only to have those hopes dashed and their faith shattered at the suggestion that it was their fault that the miracle failed...that they did not have enough faith. You think that doesn’t do damage?

Those healed by Jesus and the apostles did not need faith in Jesus to be cured....all who were brought to him may have had hope, but faith came as a result of the miracle, not the other way around.

 

[Cross8527]

Yes...to deceive...”disguised as an angel of light”.....what is the purpose of that? He is the sower of the “weeds”...false Christians whose doctrines are not from the Bible, but from the sower of an imitation Christianity, designed to lure people away from the truth....why would he not use fake miracles to attract people to his counterfeit “church” system instead of the real thing? What a confused rabble Christendom is, and adding miracles to the mix just confuses people even more.

The devil knows what people want to hear and so he tickles their ears.....
2 Tim 4:2-5...NASB...Paul warned Timothy...
“preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.”

With a lack of sound Bible knowledge, the devil gives them seemingly impossible “miracles” that defy explanation......except that that the Bible explains them well. Who is listening?

Most have no idea how powerful the devil is, and how deceptive his whole world system is (1 John 5:19)....the world is ruled by corrupt governments under his influence, who sacrifice their own citizens to gain the ascendency over their enemies.....greedy merchants, so eager to sell you their goods that they will pester you at every possible opportunity....and a range of false religions who mislead their charges into believing that those outside of their faith are their enemies. Even within Christendom we see people so divided over politics that they will kill anyone who disagrees with them...even a fellow “Christian”.

I have spoken to many who have attended faith healing sessions, with the highest of hopes for a miracle to take place, only to have those hopes dashed and their faith shattered at the suggestion that it was their fault that the miracle failed...that they did not have enough faith. You think that doesn’t do damage?

Those healed by Jesus and the apostles did not need faith in Jesus to be cured....all who were brought to him may have had hope, but faith came as a result of the miracle, not the other way around.

Here is what I know, and that is that faith is not the same as hope. You know I am legally blind and have been praying for healing for eight years now many have prayed for me as well and yet still nothing.

I have every reason to not believe that I can be healed I have tried and tried prayed and prayed believed and have not recieved and the sad thing is it wasn't even my fault that I lost my eye sight it from neglect and abuse. Jesus himself said this Jesus said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible

And I have been to healing sessions before had people laying hands on me pretending to speak in tongues and I have read every verse that speaks on how faith can move mountains read every story of God doing the impossible for those who believed and had faith not hope but faith there is a difference I have listened to testimonies and all kinds of things like podcasts youtube videos ect.

Yes I have been through it all yet I still believe and still have faith that one day my eyes will be restored not because I have seen it for myself or recieved it nor because of the teachings of these false teachers who prey on the hearts of the desperate but because of what I have come to know of God himself.

These people who fell away from faith because they were told it was their own fault or because they didn't have enough faith my heart breaks for them because they relied on man not God they had hope but not faith they believed but did not recieve and yes this is indeed the way the enemy works but for someone like me who has seen it all been through it all yet still believes and still has faith what is the thing that allows me to do so?

Most would have given up and not believed in miracles anymore they would have cried out in anger to God for decieving them lying to them tricking them they would have thrown away their faith entirely but I remain strong in my belief and why is that? some would say it is ignorance I say it is love.


I have come to know who he is his triats his nature I have even had the honor of meeting him face to face several times but what really makes me believe in my opinion is that I believe in him from what I have come to know of him not from recieving or seeing miracles but because I believe and trust in him even if I never recieve it.

The enemy would love nothing more than to break me than to make me not want to believe and I have more than every reason not to. Jesus taught that faith as small as a mustard seed could move a mountain he taught that believing even when you have not seen for yourself makes you blessed scripture itself testifies that faith is the essence of things hoped for think of all the times that God moved mightily in the bible what did he always require every time? obedience and trust in him.

But if the enemy has made it so obvious that miracles have died out by making fake miracles then surely those who would fall away from faith because they were mislead are not in faith because they put their faith in recieving the miracle not in God himself and trusting his will.

Sometimes one never gets healed because God has a plan and so my understanding is that there is many a scripture that speaks on hope and faith but no scripture that says that the miracles have ended, and if the word of God itself is to be taken seriously then we need to do that take it seriously.

I have also had the real thing happen to me they real tongue speaking the real laying of hands to feel God's power so much you are just stunned unable to move or speak just smiling I got a small taste of it true I was not healed but I could feel him his power his glory his awesomeness his wonder and beauty


For those who desire to know him he reveals himself to those who choose to believe even without seeing they are blessed if II could speak to those lead astray I would say to them to trust in the God of miracles not the miracles themselves, even if you never recieve it trust in him not the works of man

That is why they fell away they trusted in the miracle not God himself they thought if they had enough faith they could be healed but this is not always God's plan

 

[Aunty Jane]

@Cross8527 Let me just say this to you.....I am so sorry to hear of your loss of sight....I can only imagine the frustration it has caused over these years, but have you realistically asked why Jesus seems to be ignoring your sincere requests and the prayers of others to have your sight restored? In the first century people just showed up and were cured without faith.....just hope. The faith came from the hope fulfilled....from gratitude and awe that was demonstrated in the power of God....something that affected them so personally.
Why is it different now? How is it that people of faith no longer experience what was seen in Jesus’s day...nothing even close to it?

Have you ever asked why the miracles concentrated on pain, suffering and disability?....and why, when Jesus cured the multitudes, and fed them before he continued preaching to them? They had stayed with him for three days with little to no provisions, proving that they were genuine in their interest to listen to what he had to say.
No one was then distracted from his message by pain or hunger....being 100%....completely cured....en masse.

Why did Jesus raise the dead, but not many? Again, this is what we can expect in the “new earth” to come.
Jesus will call all the dead from their graves so that they can be reunited with their lost loved ones (John 5:28-29)....death was not supposed to happen.....but thanks to the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus, we get back all that we lost, and those who accept and appreciate that grand gesture from Jesus and his Father, will benefit in more ways than we can imagine. (Isa 65:17-25)

The miracles of the first century (the apostolic period) were for a time and a reason.....it was the time to show Jesus’ first century audience (his Jewish brethren) what the kingdom will do for all who accept him as savior. What humanity lost after the fall, was all that God will restore by the rulership of his kingdom. We were created to live forever in paradise....but we was robbed! We never got to live that life.

Not a soul who is granted life under the kingdom’s rule will have any pain, suffering or disability....they will not grow old or get sick....they will never be hungry or lack shelter, nor will any living thing do them harm.

This is the world we yearn for....the one we were born to live in...but the one that was taken from us. Jesus gave his life to get it back for us.....God’s will can finally “be done on earth as it is in heaven”.

I myself experience the pain of what living in this world throws at us. I lost my husband to Huntington’s Disease and now I am watching it happen again to my son. God is the one who provides the strength, day to day to stand up to awful circumstances that life can throw at us...but one thing is sure....all the things that weigh us down in this world are temporary....we will have forever to enjoy the real life...in the new world now so close at hand. (Rev 21:2-4)

I have been watching some YouTube videos lately with those who were born colour blind, seeing colour for the first time.....it reduced them (and me) to tears......it gives me a small idea of how wonderful it will be for the blind to see...the deaf to hear, and those with disabilities to be made whole. To see an end to poverty, war, crime and violence, and to have only those who love God as our neighbors.

If that sounds like somewhere you’d like to live, then it will be well worth the wait....not needing cures and miracles now, but holding out for the global fulfilment of God’s promises for all who put faith in him.

The kingdom is coming soon......

 

[Cross8527]

@Cross8527 Let me just say this to you.....I am so sorry to hear of your loss of sight....I can only imagine the frustration it has caused over these years, but have you realistically asked why Jesus seems to be ignoring your sincere requests and the prayers of others to have your sight restored? In the first century people just showed up and were cured without faith.....just hope. The faith came from the hope fulfilled....from gratitude and awe that was demonstrated in the power of God....something that affected them so personally.
Why is it different now? How is it that people of faith no longer experience what was seen in Jesus’s day...nothing even close to it?

Have you ever asked why the miracles concentrated on pain, suffering and disability?....and why, when Jesus cured the multitudes, and fed them before he continued preaching to them? They had stayed with him for three days with little to no provisions, proving that they were genuine in their interest to listen to what he had to say.
No one was then distracted from his message by pain or hunger....being 100%....completely cured....en masse.

Why did Jesus raise the dead, but not many? Again, this is what we can expect in the “new earth” to come.
Jesus will call all the dead from their graves so that they can be reunited with their lost loved ones (John 5:28-29)....death was not supposed to happen.....but thanks to the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus, we get back all that we lost, and those who accept and appreciate that grand gesture from Jesus and his Father, will benefit in more ways than we can imagine. (Isa 65:17-25)

The miracles of the first century (the apostolic period) were for a time and a reason.....it was the time to show Jesus’ first century audience (his Jewish brethren) what the kingdom will do for all who accept him as savior. What humanity lost after the fall, was all that God will restore by the rulership of his kingdom. We were created to live forever in paradise....but we was robbed! We never got to live that life.

Not a soul who is granted life under the kingdom’s rule will have any pain, suffering or disability....they will not grow old or get sick....they will never be hungry or lack shelter, nor will any living thing do them harm.

This is the world we yearn for....the one we were born to live in...but the one that was taken from us. Jesus gave his life to get it back for us.....God’s will can finally “be done on earth as it is in heaven”.

I myself experience the pain of what living in this world throws at us. I lost my husband to Huntington’s Disease and now I am watching it happen again to my son. God is the one who provides the strength, day to day to stand up to awful circumstances that life can throw at us...but one thing is sure....all the things that weigh us down in this world are temporary....we will have forever to enjoy the real life...in the new world now so close at hand. (Rev 21:2-4)

I have been watching some YouTube videos lately with those who were born colour blind, seeing colour for the first time.....it reduced them (and me) to tears......it gives me a small idea of how wonderful it will be for the blind to see...the deaf to hear, and those with disabilities to be made whole. To see an end to poverty, war, crime and violence, and to have only those who love God as our neighbors.

If that sounds like somewhere you’d like to live, then it will be well worth the wait....not needing cures and miracles now, but holding out for the global fulfilment of God’s promises for all who put faith in him.

The kingdom is coming soon......

Yes I have wondered why I have not been able to recieve healing and some have told me that it is because of my sins or that my faith is not strong enough ( the wof people) but when I asked god about it what he told me was that I lost my eye sight so that I would learn to see with his. I am so sorry to hear of your pain and losing loved ones to such a horrible fate I will pray for you and your loved ones.

But you are correct the kingdom is coming and is coming very soon and I believe that there will be a great harvest on the horizon, also as far as the videos you watched I can only imagine what it must be like to see colors for the first time it would bring me to tears as well.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I believe that there will be a great harvest on the horizon

God's Word teaches there is a falling away in the last days.... not a big revival.

Now, there will be fake revivals by religious organizations that claim to be of God such as the ecumenical movement that deceive people in to joining their religious organization.... but they are deceiving people into a false religious system that eventually turns in to the one world religion which teaches a false "jesus" and a different "gospel"

 

[Cross8527]

God's Word teaches there is a falling away in the last days.... not a big revival.

Now, there will be fake revivals by religious organizations that claim to be of God such as the ecumenical movement that deceive people in to joining their religious organization.... but they are deceiving people into a false religious system that eventually turns in to the one world religion which teaches a false "jesus" and a different "gospel"

I believe that the falling away has already happened and is happening even now

God's Word teaches there is a falling away in the last days.... not a big revival.

Now, there will be fake revivals by religious organizations that claim to be of God such as the ecumenical movement that deceive people in to joining their religious organization.... but they are deceiving people into a false religious system that eventually turns in to the one world religion which teaches a false "jesus" and a different "gospel"

 

[Carl Emerson]

I do not need evidence just a real testimony and what brought you to the point where God's divine intervention was needed

I am talking about seeing healing of others in the public space.

It seems however that you are asking for more of a personal testimony - is that correct ?

 

[Carl Emerson]

The things of the spirit are strange because it defies the flesh, I have always believed that through Christ anything is possible and many say this as well but do we truly believe it?
Do you see people performing miracles? are our prayers requests or are the assurance?
I haven't seen many miracles and I have spoken with many Christians about this but few can actually say they saw the hand of God or a miracle or divine intervention

Then there are the cessationalists who outright deny that the spiritual gifts are for today and for the most part they seem to be right because you don't see many Christians who truly walk in the spirit whose presence can be felt when entering a room or who lays on hands and heals someone.

Even prayer for that matter seems to be a I hope he answers kind of thing it is not like when Jesus prayed or when he performed miracles he was assured he was confident he made his request but even just creating all that fish and bread as he did he seemed assured he would recieve it.

There is however another side to this, there are some believers one whom I even got to be in the presence of who are full of the spirit like I mean you can feel them just by being near them there is life in them and there are some believers out there who can actually lay on hands and heal or pray and be assured they will recieve

So what makes the difference I wonder? what makes one believer spiritually rich while the rest are just kind of well not?

Just reading this OP and addressing your question.

A few issues come to mind.

First off crisis seems to be a necessary component to bring one to deep surrender so He can find a willing soul to work with and through.

Spiritual inheritance can play a part - I have some great saints among my ancestors who prayed heaps for me.

Being taught of Him is essential - consume scripture and nothing else for several years.

However at the end of the day He chooses and it is all Grace - we cant exceed our appointed faith.

I am a prodigal son - given a second chance at life, His hand has been heavily upon me.

Rejoice in what you have and be totally open to Him - fear of total surrender is a common barrier to the exciting life He meant for you.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Reading Auntie Jane, be aware of the position her JW friends hold.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that salvation requires faith in Christ, association with God’s organization (i.e., their religion), and obedience to its rules.

So claims of saving Grace among folks not associated with JW are essentially considered to be demonic including any claim to miracles among them.

 

[Behold]

Reading Auntie Jane,

- claims of saving Grace among folks not associated with JW are essentially considered to be demonic including any claim to miracles among them.

She teaches that not ever Christian is Born again.
She teaches that not every Christian goes to Heaven.
She teaches there is no "Hell". no Judgement associated with Hell.

The JW cult is a man - made "doctrine of devils"... Hebrews 13:9

 

[Aunty Jane]

God's Word teaches there is a falling away in the last days.... not a big revival.

Jesus told his disciples that “the harvest was great but the workers were few”...so he told them to “beg the master of the harvest” to “send out more workers”.
What is the work of these ones? What is the task that they are assigned? (Matt 28:19-20: Matt 24:14)

At the conclusion of these “last days”, when the world of wicked humanity is destroyed, John saw “a great multitude” praising God for their salvation “coming out of the great tribulation”. (Rev 7:9-10; 13-14) So even though the majority will be judged as unworthy of salvation, this “great multitude” are doing something that the others are not.

Now, there will be fake revivals by religious organizations that claim to be of God such as the ecumenical movement that deceive people in to joining their religious organization.... but they are deceiving people into a false religious system that eventually turns in to the one world religion which teaches a false "jesus" and a different "gospel"

You cannot revive something that was never alive to begin with.

When Jesus renders his judgment on the “goats”, (soon now) his statement is clear....”I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME YOU WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS”. (Matt 7:21-23)

What is the “lawlessness” or “iniquity” that they are guilty of? They break the first commandment, (Ex 20:3) worshipping a different god to the one Jesus himself called “my God”. (Rev 3:12) The one whose ‘name he came to make known’.....doing all things “to the glory of God the Father”. (John 17:26; Phil 2:11)

The false religious system that divides the “Christian” world was never serving the true God in the first place. An apostasy was foretold and it happened just as Jesus said it would.....”weeds” of counterfeit “Christianity” were to be sown by the devil.....not recently, but this apostasy was beginning to rear its ugly head towards the end of the first century, whilst some of the apostles were still alive. With their death, there was nothing to stop the rot, and It’s been growing like a cancer ever since.

But at the time of his return, Jesus was to raise up a “faithful and wise slave” to “feed” his household of fellow slaves their “food at the proper time”. (Matt 24:45) If we can identify that slave and feed at his table, we will be saved.

The “wheat” are still in the world, just obscured by the sheer volume of “weeds”....countless divided sects, all teaching different things and yet claiming a unity in Christ that does not exist.

This is the grim reality....Christ’s true disciples are no part of that religious system with its false doctrines and adopted pagan beliefs and practices. (Rev 18:4-5)

Jesus told us that his true disciples would be “few” and that they would be ‘a hated and persecuted minority’, like Jesus’ first disciples were.....(Matt 7:13-14; John 15: 18-21)

We can see already that the dissenters will rally behind each other and support each other in their opposition to JW’s just as the Pharisees and the Sadducees ganged up on Jesus and his disciples even though they disagreed with each other on many things....they were united in their opposition to the truth that Jesus preached. History repeats because humans never learn from the past.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Reading Auntie Jane, be aware of the position her JW friends hold.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that salvation requires faith in Christ, association with God’s organization (i.e., their religion), and obedience to its rules.

Just as in the first century, Christ’s disciples had to separate from the old corrupted Jewish system, as Jesus’ sacrifice had introduce a new covenant, and a new way to worship the God that Jesus came to teach his fellow Jews about. The true God had been lost in the false doctrines of the Pharisees, long abandoned by the God they claimed to worship.

Where did Jesus and his apostles direct those who wanted to worship the true God in truth?
Congregations were established and the disciples met together for worship (Heb 10:24-25) sometimes in people’s homes, or other places, but the whole Christian movement was directed by a governing body in Jerusalem made up of the apostles and older men, whose responsibility it was to keep the truth from becoming corrupted. Whilst the apostles lived, they restrained the foretold apostasy (2 Thess 2:6-12) until the last apostle John penned his Revelation and his last three letter, concluding the Bible as we know it.

It is not obedience to the rules of men that we follow, but the rules laid down in the Scriptures by Jesus and his apostles.
We are told to obey those taking the lead among us (Heb 13:17)....are you saying that we don’t need to do that?
Look around you at the hopelessly divided religious system that masquerades as “Christianity” in today’s world, and see what happens when you make up your own rules. Who is following men?

So claims of saving Grace among folks not associated with JW are essentially considered to be demonic including any claim to miracles among them.

As Jesus himself taught....what is not from God, is from the devil...the one who sowed the “weeds” so long ago that people think that they are flowers and keep on planting them everywhere. The devil has a big crop....but the harvest time approaches...then we will see who is who, and which is which.