Does Daniel 7:21–22 Support Amillennialism or Premillennialism?

[Davy]

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

Not a total destruction of the earth, like you have been mistaught. Did the flood of Noah's day totally destroy this earth? NOPE! Neither will God's consuming fire totally destroy this earth, but only cleanse the SURFACE of this earth of man's works. This earth is forever.

So you should work on your 'tunnel vision' focus in Bible Scripture, because there's more written in God's Word about this same earth for after Christ's future return.

There won't be a future 1,000 year kingdom on this earth at the return of Jesus, this teaching is a fabricated fairy tale of man that doesn't exist in scripture

There WILL BE a LITERAL future "thousand years" reign by Lord Jesus and His elect with His promised "rod of iron".

How is it you allowed men's doctrines to trick you into wrongly thinking Christ's future "rod of iron" is meant for God's people? Afterall, the false Amill doctrine of men you follow wrongly teaches all... the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future return, so that means the wicked no longer exist when Jesus uses His "rod of iron". How is it you have failed to figure that out, which confirms beyond all doubt that the Amill theory is from men, and not from God's Word?

 

[Davy]

To understand what I have been saying (post 113 and 116), I suggest that you entertain the truthful view of all the three "comings" of Christ:
1. Past- In mortal flesh.
2. Present- By His Holy Spirit.
3. Future- In flaming fire of Immortality.
Church-ianity has been very neglectful about #2

Doesn't matter what you think about that, the above still does not agree with actual Bible Scripture.

The following verse by Paul in Hebrews is simple and easy, IF heeded, showing only TWO comings by Lord Jesus Christ, not three, not four, etc.

Heb 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
KJV

Break the above verse down...

"shall He appear the second time..." - His 1st time appearing was when? At His 1st coming to die on the cross.

"... without sin unto salvation." - That means at the end of this present world, the "day of the Lord" when Jesus gathers His faithful Church and hands out His rewards to them.

Notice there is NO 3rd coming in that. No rapture prior to that day of Salvation either.


Perhaps an easier to understand Bible version?

Heb 9:28
28 so also the Christ, once having been offered to bear the sins of many, a second time, apart from a sin-offering, shall appear, to those waiting for Him — to salvation!
YLT

 

[Truth7t7]

Not a total destruction of the earth, like you have been mistaught. Did the flood of Noah's day totally destroy this earth? NOPE! Neither will God's consuming fire totally destroy this earth, but only cleanse the SURFACE of this earth of man's works. This earth is forever.

Your claim is false, God will create a completely New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

Revelation 21:1KJV
I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[Earburner]

I get your "sleuth" meaning, but I wouldn't use that term. I'd use something like detective, or powers of deduction, which actually is still not the way to understand this matter in God's written Word.



Yes, a LITERAL CLOUD, in the sky above the earth. Or do you have a problem understanding what a 'cloud' in God's creation is? Apparently you do not understand that.

And your inference above about angels suggests you are saying Jesus is an angel, which He is not. (see Book of Hebrews).

God used a LITERAL CLOUD to guide the Israelites in the wilderness per Old Testament history, and I believe it as written.

But your inferring that can't be how it is meant is only showing your DOUBTING of how God uses His creation as written in His Word, and even how God made His creation.

You instead are trying to compare your flesh existence to try and understand Jesus' ascent to Heaven upon a cloud per Acts 1.

Do you not understand there are TWO separate 'heaven' ideas mentioned in God's Word, each in a different dimension of existence? Or do you use your fleshy carnal mind with wrongly thinking God's Heavenly abode is up in the literal sky atmosphere around the earth like many deceived Jews believe?


God's Word teaches about ONLY TWO different dimensions of existence, this earthly dimension we are in, and then the heavenly dimension of Spirit where God and the angels dwell. That dimension of Spirit is NOT... up in the literal cloud sky atmosphere around the earth. Instead it exists behind a veil that we cannot see, unless God allows us to see it, like He did with Isaiah, Ezekiel, Apostles Paul and John.

What you apparently have little clue about, is that on the day of Christ's future return on the "day of the Lord", that veil is going to be removed for all... peoples. This was even hinted at in the Old Testament prophecy in Isaiah 25 where Apostle Paul pulled from about death being swallowed up in victory. The Heavenly dimension is going to be revealed right here, ON EARTH, when Jesus returns. Both this earthly dimension and that Heavenly dimension will be joined together, just as it was before prior to Satan's original rebellion and fall.

Thus what 1 Thess.4:16-17 is showing with Jesus' future DESCENT back to this earth IN A CLOUD, happens once He comes out of the Heavenly dimension of Spirit, and into our earthly cloud atmosphere on His way to the Mount of Olives at Jerusalem. And Apostle Paul taught that at Jesus' resurrection His body was made a "quickening spirit", which means of that Heavenly dimension order, and not our flesh order. The type body of the world to come is the "spiritual body" Paul taught; looks like flesh, feels like flesh, can eat earthly food and live upon this earth, but is not real flesh, but is made of Spirit and cannot perish unless only God Himself causes it to be destroyed.

So yeah, Jesus will return upon a LITERAL CLOUD in the earth's sky atmosphere, which is how He also ascended into Heaven per Acts 1. You simply have yet to understand the difference between the two separate dimensions shown in God's Word.

(For those who might be thinking about 2 Cor.12 where Paul mentioned the third heaven. Nowhere in God's Word does it ever mention the creation of more than 2 heavens. The Genesis 1:1 verse when God created the Heaven and the earth, the Hebrew for KJV "Heaven" is actually plural. It's because the 'sky' atmosphere around the earth is also called a heaven. When Apostle Paul said he was caught up to the "third heaven", he was actually referring to the future 3rd world earth age that will take place once Satan, death, hell, and the wicked are all destroyed. The idea of multiple dimensions in Heaven is actually an idea from eastern pagan religions.)

The 1st heaven is the earth's atmosphere.
The 2nd heaven is the planets, galaxies etc.
The 3rd heaven is that of the spiritual realm of the God Head and the created angels.

 

[Earburner]

Doesn't matter what you think about that, the above still does not agree with actual Bible Scripture.

The following verse by Paul in Hebrews is simple and easy, IF heeded, showing only TWO comings by Lord Jesus Christ, not three, not four, etc.

Heb 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
KJV

Break the above verse down...

"shall He appear the second time..." - His 1st time appearing was when? At His 1st coming to die on the cross.

"... without sin unto salvation." - That means at the end of this present world, the "day of the Lord" when Jesus gathers His faithful Church and hands out His rewards to them.

Notice there is NO 3rd coming in that. No rapture prior to that day of Salvation either.


Perhaps an easier to understand Bible version?

Heb 9:28
28 so also the Christ, once having been offered to bear the sins of many, a second time, apart from a sin-offering, shall appear, to those waiting for Him — to salvation!
YLT

I absolutely agree, there is no secret rapture of the church before Jesus returns in flaming fire. 2 Thes. 1:7-10; Luke 17:28-30.
However, I hope for your sake that God the Father through God the Son have  COME to you and did make their abode within you. John 14:18, 23; Rev. 3:20.

 

[Davy]

Your claim is false, God will create a completely New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

Revelation 21:1KJV
I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Read The Old Testament much??

Ps 78:69
69 And He built His sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which He hath established for ever.
KJV

Ps 104:5
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
KJV

 

[Truth7t7]

Read The Old Testament much??

Ps 78:69
69 And He built His sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which He hath established for ever.
KJV

Ps 104:5
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
KJV

The "Earth" is established forever, but it will be called the "New Earth" its not called the moon, venus, Pluto or mars

 

[Davy]

The 1st heaven is the earth's atmosphere.
The 2nd heaven is the planets, galaxies etc.
The 3rd heaven is that of the spiritual realm of the God Head and the created angels.

No Biblical evidence for the above. That idea is from men's doctrines who don't understand about the 2 separate dimensions of God's creation. And even those pastors who do understand, they aren't allowed to preach about it by their denominational organizations.

It's important to understand that the heavenly dimension (2nd heaven) where God's Abode is today is non-material. That is where He moved His Paradise to per the end of Genesis 3 after Adam and Eve's sin. His Paradise was once upon this earth, i.e., the Garden of Eden. God's Heavenly dimension is made up of Spirit, not material matter. The earth, planets, galaxies, etc., are part of His material creation involving material matter.


The 1st heaven WAS... the 1st heavenly-earth age, the time when Lucifer was perfect in his ways before he rebelled in coveting God's Throne.

The 2nd heaven IS... today's abode of where God and the angels dwell since for this 2nd world earth age God removed His abode that used to be here on earth instead to behind a veil in a different dimension called Heaven (Genesis 3:22-24; Genesis 2:8-17; Isaiah 25).

The 3rd heaven WILL BE... God's future new heaven and a new earth of Revelation 21. This is the heaven that Apostle Paul's spirit was "caught up" to in 2 Corinthians 12. That is why Paul called the place "paradise", which is a word used in The Old Testament for God's Garden of Eden in the Greek Septuagint (2 Cor.12:4). Paul was given a vision of the future Paradise while in The Spirit regarding God's future new heaven and new earth, and he said he heard words not lawful to utter.

 

[Davy]

I absolutely agree, there is no secret rapture of the church before Jesus returns in flaming fire. 2 Thes. 1:7-10; Luke 17:28-30.

Right...

However, I hope for your sake that God the Father through God the Son have  COME to you and did make their abode within you. John 14:18, 23; Rev. 3:20.

Yes... of course, and that New Testament idea involves being "born again" of The Holy Spirit (John 3).

 

[Davy]

The "Earth" is established forever, but it will be called the "New Earth" its not called the moon, venus, Pluto or mars

Still trying to find a way to slide... your complete destruction of the earth view past those Psalms Scriptures I posted?

Admit it, when you said a "completely" new earth in your post, you meant a total scrap of this present whole planet, and then God starting all over again with making a separate new earth. That's not what Peter meant.

The Hebrew for "new" in phrases about a new earth can also mean the idea of 'fresh', not a total replacement. Same thing for the Greek word for "new" in 2 Peter 3:13, i.e., in the sense of freshness.

 

[Earburner]

Right...



Yes... of course, and that New Testament idea involves being "born again" of The Holy Spirit (John 3).

Yes! All of which involves the word "come".
And if "the Spirit of Christ", the Holy Spirit, does not COME to dwell within you, then you are NOT "born again" of The Holy Spirit, and therefore God the Father, who dwells within Jesus, CAN NOT alone dwell within you, without Jesus. Rom. 8:9.

John 14:18, 23.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will COME to you.
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will COME unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[Earburner]

Still trying to find a way to slide... your complete destruction of the earth view past those Psalms Scriptures I posted?

Admit it, when you said a "completely" new earth in your post, you meant a total scrap of this present whole planet, and then God starting all over again with making a separate new earth. That's not what Peter meant.

The Hebrew for "new" in phrases about a new earth can also mean the idea of 'fresh', not a total replacement. Same thing for the Greek word for "new" in 2 Peter 3:13, i.e., in the sense of freshness.

You are very close to describing what/who the New heaven is, as well as what/who the New earth is.
You all do know of it!! It's called the place "where-IN dwelleth [God's] righteousness".
See my post 131.

It's NOT about our New earth, being that of a newly made over planet where we shall dwell, but rather it's about God's New earth and WHERE He desires to dwell.
If you are born again of His Spirit, are you not a NEW creature (aka creation) because of Him dwelling within you?
YES!! You are!!

Here is the clue:
2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure [of God Himself] in [our] EARTH-en vessels, that the excellency of the power [of His Righteousness] may be of God, and not of us.

 

[Davy]

You are very close to describing what/who the New heaven is, as well as what/who the New earth is.
You all do know of it!! It's called the place "where-IN dwelleth [God's] righteousness".
See my post 131.

It's NOT about our New earth, being that of a newly made over planet where we shall dwell, but rather it's about God's New earth and WHERE He desires to dwell.
If you are born again of His Spirit, are you not a NEW creature (aka creation) because of Him dwelling within you?
YES!! You are!!

Here is the clue:
2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure [of God Himself] in [our] EARTH-en vessels, that the excellency of the power [of His Righteousness] may be of God, and not of us.

Yeah, but it will also involve earth changes that we don't see today in this present world, like the literal return of God's River of Genesis 2 and the Tree of Life.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yeah, but it will also involve earth changes that we don't see today in this present world, like the literal return of God's River of Genesis 2 and the Tree of Life.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[Truth7t7]

No Biblical evidence for the above. That idea is from men's doctrines who don't understand about the 2 separate dimensions of God's creation. And even those pastors who do understand, they aren't allowed to preach about it by their denominational organizations.

It's important to understand that the heavenly dimension (2nd heaven) where God's Abode is today is non-material. That is where He moved His Paradise to per the end of Genesis 3 after Adam and Eve's sin. His Paradise was once upon this earth, i.e., the Garden of Eden. God's Heavenly dimension is made up of Spirit, not material matter. The earth, planets, galaxies, etc., are part of His material creation involving material matter.


The 1st heaven WAS... the 1st heavenly-earth age, the time when Lucifer was perfect in his ways before he rebelled in coveting God's Throne.

The 2nd heaven IS... today's abode of where God and the angels dwell since for this 2nd world earth age God removed His abode that used to be here on earth instead to behind a veil in a different dimension called Heaven (Genesis 3:22-24; Genesis 2:8-17; Isaiah 25).

The 3rd heaven WILL BE... God's future new heaven and a new earth of Revelation 21. This is the heaven that Apostle Paul's spirit was "caught up" to in 2 Corinthians 12. That is why Paul called the place "paradise", which is a word used in The Old Testament for God's Garden of Eden in the Greek Septuagint (2 Cor.12:4). Paul was given a vision of the future Paradise while in The Spirit regarding God's future new heaven and new earth, and he said he heard words not lawful to utter.

This earth will be dissolved by the Lord's fire down to its very elements "Gone"!

The Lord will "Create" a completely New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Earburner]

Yeah, but it will also involve earth changes that we don't see today in this present world, like the literal return of God's River of Genesis 2 and the Tree of Life.

Let's stop with the comic book bible and lets get serious.....Does Jesus need a physical New planet earth right now?? For 2000 +
/- years, evidently not!!
Now, if you can learn that, then you should know that we shall be made after His likeness, and therefore neither shall we need a physical New planet earth.

 

[Davy]

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Ezek 47:5-12
5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

6 And he said unto me, "Son of man, hast thou seen this?" Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.

7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.

8 Then said he unto me, "These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from En-gedi even unto En-eglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.

12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
KJV

Ezekiel 47 gives MORE DETAIL about the return of God's River, but is for the future Millennium time of Christ's reign which WILL HAVE A SANCTUARY (temple) there where those WATERS will issue from for God's River!

Also, the Revelation 21:1 version is a little different because it will be for the time AFTER Christ's "thousand years" millennium reign when there will be NO MORE SEA, nor a sanctuary.

So like I said, for Christs' Millennial reign of Revelation 20, it will involve some earth changes, but not the complete changes like the later New Heavens and a New Earth time will be. And we KNOW this for certain, because of the Ezekiel 47 manifesting of that "sanctuary" and those seas at the same time as God's River of the Waters of Life and the Tree of Life are manifested in the holy land.

 

[Davy]

Let's stop with the comic book bible and lets get serious.....Does Jesus need a physical New planet earth right now?? For 2000 +
/- years, evidently not!!
Now, if you can learn that, then you should know that we shall be made after His likeness, and therefore neither shall we need a physical New planet earth.

The COMEDY is yours, since you are completely IGNORANT of the Ezekiel 47 prophecy about God's River that will flow out from that Sanctuary it mentions that will be on earth, which is NOT NHNE timing, but Christ's "thousand years" Millennium timing that happens PRIOR to the NHNE time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your Claim In Bold Red Above Is 100% "False"

Daniel 7:22 is placed at the second coming "Final Judgement" as you falsely state it represents the first coming, "Really"

The scripture and the chapter context is clear (Until The Ancient Of Days Came) Daniel 7:9-10 shows the exact same future second coming, Daniel 7:18 shows the saints possessing the forever, even forever and ever kingdom

1 Corinthians 6:2-3 below clearly shows the saints will stand in Judgement with God against the unsaved world and evil angels at the "Final Judgement"

Daniel 7:22KJV
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

1 Corinthians 6:2-3KJV
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Daniel 7:13-14 is a clear reference to the ascension of Jesus to the right hand of the Father. It matches up with what Paul described in relation to Christ's resurrection and ascension in Ephesians 1:19-23. You do believe that Jesus has been reigning since His resurrection and ascension, don't you?

Do you understand that the visions Daniel saw in Daniel 7:2-14 were explained by the angel in verses 17-27? If not, then you're not qualified to comment on this. If you are aware of that, then tell me where the angel explained what Daniel 7:13-14 is about.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No it isn't. And we should know this, including you, based on the following clues. That is if there is actually any sleuth abilities in you, so to speak. IOW, we have to be like sleuths sometimes if we expect to interpret something correctly.

So let's start with the following.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

We know Jesus is ascending here. No one disputes that. And take note that it is involving a cloud. A literal cloud, though? Highly unlikely, the fact the text says the cloud received Him. Since when and how do literal clouds receive someone? Obviously then, angels are likely meant here, not literal clouds.

Next we need to go to Daniel 7:13-14.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven.

Could it be the same clouds of heaven seen in Acts 1? I tend to think so, regardless that Acts 1 never mentioned clouds of heaven, but did mention a cloud receiving Him, thus taking Him out of their sight below. Therefore, according to Daniel 7:13, the cloud meant in Acts 1 can simply be meaning the clouds of heaven. And that we don't need Acts 1 to call it the clouds of heaven when Daniel 7:13 is already doing that. Thus Scripture interpreting Scripture.

Next note that when Jesus arrives at His destination, He is then brought before the Father, and then given at that time, meaning after He has arrived, dominion, and glory, and a kingdom. Obviously, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that He was not already in possession of dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, before He arrived.

Next let's compare to Matthew 24:30.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


This scene can't remotely be the same scene seen in Daniel 7:13-14. And the reason why we know that is plainly simple, plainly obvious. Notice how Jesus is arriving---the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. This indicates He is already in possession of power and great glory before He arrives.

Where then is it that He initially obtained this power and great glory? Daniel 7:13-14, for one, obviously. Which then means Daniel 7:13-14 is simply parenthetical, not meant to be taken to be meaning when Daniel 7:9-12 is meaning. Daniel 7:13-14 simply explains, for one, how the one meant in Daniel 7:9-10, obviously meaning Christ, initially came to obtaining this position as the one sitting on the throne in Daniel 7:9.

Of course though, if one lacks sleuth abilities, so to speak, none of this is going to mean anything nor prove anything to them. They are simply not good sleuths is all. Some ppl aren't, some ppl are. That's just the way it is. Some ppl prefer to hold on to their doctrines no matter what and at all costs. Some ppl just don't like to admit they are ever wrong about anything, period. It is above them to do that. Their doctrines they hold are more important than the truth, assuming their doctrines are not the truth.

FWIW, there was a time decades ago that I too concluded that Daniel 7:13-14 is future still. Then one day I noticed something in Matthew 24:30 that isn't present in Daniel 7:13-14. Per the former Jesus is arriving already in possession of power and great glory. Per the latter, it is not until after He arrives first, that He is then presented with power and glory, etc.

At that point I didn't need to be a rocket scientist in order to figure out that the coming meant in Daniel 7:13-14 is not the same coming meant in Matthew 24:30. At that point it was plainly obvious they are not the same coming once I noticed these differences between Daniel 7:13-14 and Matthew 24:30. One coming is an ascension, the other coming is a return. It's that simple, and it's that obvious.

So, I see you understand that Daniel 7:13-14 is about Christ's ascension. Daniel's visions were described in Daniel 7:2-14 and the angel explained them in verses 17-27. So, where in verses 17-27 do you think the angel explained the meaning of verses 13-14?