Proof there is only a single Day of Judgment at the end of the world on the Day appointed and that Judge is Christ

[Davy]

Christ is that first resurrection
No one else has been resurrected and glorified with a body like He has, NOT YET!
It is written we have been raised with Christ into His resurrection right NOW, not at the second coming
We are therefore seated with Him in heavenly places which is what Ephesians 2 states.

Looks like you have difficulty distinguishing the metaphor Apostle Paul used to compare the believer with having been symbolically raised with Christ. That is a spiritual metaphor, and is different than the idea of the literal resurrection to our glorious body, the "spiritual body" which Paul taught for the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15.

 

[Scott Downey]

Looks like you have difficulty distinguishing the metaphor Apostle Paul used to compare the believer with having been symbolically raised with Christ. That is a spiritual metaphor, and is different than the idea of the literal resurrection to our glorious body, the "spiritual body" which Paul taught for the resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15.

Every believer right now has a spiritual body, and it is joined to the Lord.
We do not have to wait for it.
We do not have to wait for the resurrection to live again, we are living in Him, right now.

2 Corinthians 5
For we know that if our earthly [a]house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our [b]habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as [c]a guarantee.

6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.


We were made alive together with Christ at His resurrection, and raised (past tense) together with Him, you don't understand or agree with that.
So that we share with Him His inheritance from God the Father, granted eternal life, and will sit with Him on His throne too.
These are no symbolic metaphors like you say, this is the reality.

And we do not wait to be with Him and conscious, As He is so are we in the world.

1 John 4:17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.



Ephesians 2
5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ (by grace ye are saved),
6 and hath raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 2
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,

12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

14 having wiped out the [i]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

Colossians 3
If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.


All of this is as a done deal, all past tense, because it is reality. One follows the other.
Romans 8:30
Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

 

[Scott Downey]

Some here do not believe the word as written but they change this
Romans 8:30
Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

To this, maybe even without realizing it

"Moreover whom He predestines, these He also calls; whom He calls, these He also justifies; and whom He justifies, these He also glorifies."

There is a significant difference, the latter is from the mind of man perspective, while the scripture is from God.

Our faith is according to the grace of God towards us, for by grace are you saved through faith, this is not of ourselves,, it is the gift of God.

AND that makes the PROMISE SURE, cause its origin is in God, not of ourselves. All this is of God.

Romans 4:16-18
New King James Version

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [a]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”

 

[Davy]

Every believer right now has a spiritual body, and it is joined to the Lord.
We do not have to wait for it.
We do not have to wait for the resurrection to live again, we are living in Him, right now.
....

Oh I well understand that the spirit body we already have dwelling inside our flesh body, and is manifest when our flesh dies. Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 revealed that.

However, so do the WICKED also have that spirit body dwelling inside their flesh body today. So what's the difference between them and believers like us?

Our belief on Jesus Christ caused our spirit and soul to be "born again" by The Holy Spirit. But the spirit and souls of the wicked are still spiritually 'dead' inside their flesh body. That's the difference, and their spiritually 'dead' state will continue into Christ's future "thousand years" reign.

But in order for us to reap Christ's rewards, we must WAIT until His return when He will hand out those rewards, and also when we will be manifest in our spirit body literally as the "sons of God". As of right now, we are "sons of God" per the promise only; our manifesting in our future glorious body has not happened yet today, because it is of the world to come, NOT this present world.

Thus it is... possible to go TOO FAR with Apostle Paul's metaphor about believers having been resurrected with Christ, an idea Paul meant in the spiritual metaphor sense associated with our first belief on Lord Jesus Christ, and not as an assumption that Christ's eternal Kingdom is already manifest on earth today.

John 18:36-37
36 Jesus replied, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews. But now My kingdom is not from here."

(from The Lexham English Bible, Fourth Edition <NL><NL>Copyright © 2010, 2012 Logos Bible Software.)

 

[jeffweeder]

Which is exactly... what I do.

Of course I accept what Jesus said when He returns at His 2nd coming, AS WRITTEN.

You clearly do not accept those scriptures I posted.
Lets look at one...,

Matt 25
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and majesty and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him [for judgment]; and He will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right [the place of honor], and the goats on His left [the place of rejection].

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father [you favored of God, appointed to eternal salvation], inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

41 “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Leave Me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels (demons)



Do you accept that when Jesus comes with his Angels he throws the ungodly into the fire and glorifies his own?

Paul accepts Jesus words as written...,

2Thess 1
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day


Just accept it as written and build on the foundation.

 

[Scott Downey]

You clearly do not accept those scriptures I posted.
Lets look at one...,

Matt 25
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and majesty and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him [for judgment]; and He will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right [the place of honor], and the goats on His left [the place of rejection].

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father [you favored of God, appointed to eternal salvation], inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

41 “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Leave Me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels (demons)



Do you accept that when Jesus comes with his Angels he throws the ungodly into the fire and glorifies his own?

Paul accepts Jesus words as written...,

2Thess 1
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day


Just accept it as written and build on the foundation.

He bases much of his doctrine about Christ's return on Zechariah 14 as do several others, and yeah, they don't hear you or me or anyone else who says differently than what they believe. They believe ungodly survivors will live on the earth to be ruled by Christ for 1000 years, with them like glorious police angels whacking and disciplining the wicked with Iron Rods. (He rules over the wicked with a rod of iron). Meanwhile the correction does nothing and the rebellious grow bold against God, Christ and His people on this First earth, after Christ returns.

What the rod of iron actually does is not discipline or correction, it is capital punishment. Christ rules as the judge of all the world, and they are killed at His return, all the wicked, and unbelieving.

Destruction here, not correction or training in righteousness.
Psalm 2:9
You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

Revelation 2:27
‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron; They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’— as I also have received from My Father;

Revelation 19:15
Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

He strikes them and they are destroyed, notice dashed to pieces, winepress they are crushed, symbolic of the blood that will be spilled
His sword also kills them, these are for the day of vengeance of our God, the final end of the wicked, to usher in a New earth wherein dwells righteousness.
But they believe in wickedness, rebellion and unbelief continuing on. With marriages and babies born

Isaiah 63
New King James Version

The Lord in Judgment and Salvation
1 Who is this who comes from Edom,
With dyed garments from Bozrah,
This One who is [a]glorious in His apparel,
Traveling in the greatness of His strength?—

“I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.”

2 Why is Your apparel red,
And Your garments like one who treads in the winepress?

3 “I have trodden the winepress alone,
And from the peoples no one was with Me.
For I have trodden them in My anger,
And trampled them in My fury;
Their blood is sprinkled upon My garments,
And I have stained all My robes.
4 For the day of vengeance is in My heart,
And the year of My redeemed has come.
5 I looked, but there was no one to help,
And I wondered
That there was no one to uphold;
Therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me;
And My own fury, it sustained Me.
6 I have trodden down the peoples in My anger,
Made them drunk in My fury,
And brought down their strength to the earth.”


Revelation 14:18-20
New King James Version

18 And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.” 19 So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred [a]furlongs.

 

[ewq1938]

Do you accept that when Jesus comes with his Angels he throws the ungodly into the fire and glorifies his own?

Yes but this is not the second coming but when he comes to the place of the GWTJ, which is a much different day. The second coming is found in Rev 19, where Jesus slays an army but rules over the nations. He does not slay those nations at the second coming nor are the judged at the white throne that day.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 19:15
Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron.

Rule in the Greek is peaceful so a rule with the rod of iron is a peaceful rule not capitol punishment as you teach. Those who study the NT in Greek know you are wrong. You are not a proper teacher.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev_2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


RULE

G4165
poimaino
poy-mah'ee-no
From G4166; to tend as a shepherd (or figuratively superviser): - feed (cattle), rule.
Total KJV occurrences: 11

G4165
poimaino
Thayer Definition:
1) to feed, to tend a flock, keep sheep
1a) to rule, govern
1a1) of rulers
1a2) to furnish pasture for food
1a3) to nourish
1a4) to cherish one’s body, to serve the body
1a5) to supply the requisites for the soul’s need
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4166
Citing in TDNT: 6:485, 901

There is nothing violent about poimaino.


Barnes:

As the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers - The ironic here is that of the vessel of a potter - a fragile vessel of clay - struck with a rod of iron and broken into fragments. That is, as applied to the nations, there would be no power to oppose His rule; the enemies of his government would be destroyed. Instead of remaining firm and compacted together, they would be broken like the clay vessel of a potter when struck with a rod of iron.

The notion of breaking a nation or kingdom up so it is powerless is nothing new in scripture:

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.


The kingdom of God which Christ rules will break up the existing kingdoms of the nations leaving the people powerless to rebel. This is when the reign of the rod of iron over these nations takes place for a thousand years.

There is another use of a vessel being destroyed and it is not about killing people but breaking up an organization of people who rebel against God:

Isa 30:12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:
Isa 30:13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.
Isa 30:14 And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit.

The metaphor of a vessel being broken is never about individuals being killed. God didn't kill every Jew. But their rebellion and sin against him caused the demise of their chosen status, even the covenant between them and God. Fast forward to the Millennium and again those who rebel against Christ shall have their wicked organizations broken up, leaving them powerless and unable to organize against Christ during this period of TIME of the reign/rule with a rod of iron. They live to be reigned over. When God allows satan to deceive them, then a brief and failed rebellion occurs and they are killed and judged and are no more forever.

Barnes:

As the breaking of the potter’s vessel - That is, as an earthen, fragile vessel, which is easily dashed to pieces. The image here is all drawn from the bursting forth, or the complete ruin of the swelling wall; but the sense is, that the Jewish republic would be entirely broken, scattered, demolished.

Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Barnes:

Psalms 2:9

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron - That is, evidently, thine enemies, for it cannot be supposed to be meant that he would sway such a scepter over his own people. The idea is that he would crush and subdue all his foes. He would have absolute power, and the grant which had been made to him would be accompanied with authority sufficient to hold it. That dominion which was to be conceded to him would be not only one of protection to his friends, but also of punishment on his enemies; and the statement here is made prominent because the former part of the psalm had respect to rebels, and the Messiah is here represented as being invested with power sufficient to punish and restrain them. The Vulgate renders this “thou shalt rule;” the Septuagint, “thou shalt feed - poimaneis; that is, thou shalt feed them as a shepherd does his flock; thou shalt exercise over them the care and protection of a shepherd.

So, all the evidence shows that these people are cared for like how a Shepherd cares for his flock.

 

[Scott Downey]

Rule in the Greek is peaceful so a rule with the rod of iron is a peaceful rule not capitol punishment as you teach. Those who study the NT in Greek know you are wrong. You are not a proper teacher.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev_2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


RULE

G4165
poimaino
poy-mah'ee-no
From G4166; to tend as a shepherd (or figuratively superviser): - feed (cattle), rule.
Total KJV occurrences: 11

G4165
poimaino
Thayer Definition:
1) to feed, to tend a flock, keep sheep
1a) to rule, govern
1a1) of rulers
1a2) to furnish pasture for food
1a3) to nourish
1a4) to cherish one’s body, to serve the body
1a5) to supply the requisites for the soul’s need
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4166
Citing in TDNT: 6:485, 901

There is nothing violent about poimaino.


Barnes:




The notion of breaking a nation or kingdom up so it is powerless is nothing new in scripture:

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.


The kingdom of God which Christ rules will break up the existing kingdoms of the nations leaving the people powerless to rebel. This is when the reign of the rod of iron over these nations takes place for a thousand years.

There is another use of a vessel being destroyed and it is not about killing people but breaking up an organization of people who rebel against God:

Isa 30:12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:
Isa 30:13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.
Isa 30:14 And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit.

The metaphor of a vessel being broken is never about individuals being killed. God didn't kill every Jew. But their rebellion and sin against him caused the demise of their chosen status, even the covenant between them and God. Fast forward to the Millennium and again those who rebel against Christ shall have their wicked organizations broken up, leaving them powerless and unable to organize against Christ during this period of TIME of the reign/rule with a rod of iron. They live to be reigned over. When God allows satan to deceive them, then a brief and failed rebellion occurs and they are killed and judged and are no more forever.

Barnes:






Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Barnes:






So, all the evidence shows that these people are cared for like how a Shepherd cares for his flock.

You do know that some of your sources are premill biased?
And believe in an earthly 1000 year reign

When the pot is broken it is no longer fit for any purpose and is thrown away
NKJV
I am forgotten like a dead man, out of mind; I am like a broken vessel.
NLV
I am forgotten like a dead man and they do not think about me. I am like a broken pot.

Only clay can be reworked
Once it is fired, it is rigid.

However, men are not actually pots are they.
Do you understand that when someone is born again, that they are NEW creations in Christ?

Broken pots symbolism is for those who are of the DEAD

 

[ewq1938]

You do know that some of your sources are premill biased?

The dictionary is not. It's simply a fact of the Greek language that "rule" is peaceful and not violent as you teach. Go ahead and find a dictionary that disagrees.

 

[jeffweeder]

Yes but this is not the second coming but when he comes to the place of the GWTJ, which is a much different day.

It is not a different day.
At the second coming all those who have believed are glorified and caught up into his presence to remain with him forever.
At the second coming all those who have not believed are eternally separated from his presence.
The lord comes in a flame of fire taking full and complete vengeance on those who have rejected him and sentences them to everlasting destruction............ on the day he comes to receive and glorify all those who belong to him.

2Thess 1
4 Therefore, we speak of you with pride among the churches of God for your steadfastness [your unflinching endurance, and patience] and your firm faith in the midst of all the persecution and [crushing] distress which you endure.

5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering.

6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire,

8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day [that is, glorified through the changed lives of those who have accepted Him as Savior and have been set apart for His purpose], and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed and trusted [and confirmed in your lives].



Paul with more to say on that day,
2Thess 2
8 Then the lawless one [the Antichrist] will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by the appearance of His coming. 9 The coming of the [Antichrist, the lawless] one is through the activity of Satan, [attended] with great power [all kinds of counterfeit miracles] and [deceptive] signs and false wonders [all of them lies], 10 and by unlimited seduction to evil and with all the deception of wickedness for those who are perishing, because they did not welcome the love of the truth [of the gospel] so as to be saved [they were spiritually blind, and rejected the truth that would have saved them]. 11 Because of this God will send upon them a misleading influence, [an activity of error and deception] so they will believe the lie, 12 in order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe the truth [about their sin, and the need for salvation through Christ], but instead took pleasure in unrighteousness.


2tim 4
6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure [from this world] is at hand and I will soon go free.

7 I have fought the good and worthy and noble fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith [firmly guarding the gospel against error].

8 In the future there is reserved for me the [victor’s] crown of righteousness [for being right with God and doing right], which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that [great] day—and not to me only, but also to all those who have loved and longed for and welcomed His appearing.

 

[ewq1938]

It is not a different day.

Yes, it is. Those events do not occur at the second coming. The GWTJ is not held on Earth nor Heaven but a place away from them which means Jesus will "come" there with his angels to be at that judgment which means he would have a coming to that location. It is not the second coming because that would ahve already happened plus the SC is only from heaven to the Earth as was rthe same with the first coming. Coming to a different place would be it's own unique coming unrelated to the other well know two comings.

At the second coming all those who have believed are glorified and caught up into his presence to remain with him forever.
At the second coming all those who have not believed are eternally separated from his presence.
The lord comes in a flame of fire taking full and complete vengeance on those who have rejected him and sentences them to everlasting destruction............

No, they are not sentenced at that time. The rule over the nations has to happen after the events of Rev 19 according to the Greek language/verb tense used.

 

[Davy]

You clearly do not accept those scriptures I posted.
Lets look at one...,

Matt 25
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and majesty and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him [for judgment]; and He will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right [the place of honor], and the goats on His left [the place of rejection].

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father [you favored of God, appointed to eternal salvation], inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

41 “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Leave Me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels (demons)

Certainly I accept what my Lord Jesus said in the above Matthew 25 Scripture, but I ALSO ACCEPT what He said here, which YOU do not...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

It will be the "kingdoms of this world" that will become the Kingdom of The LORD when Jesus returns. What does that tell you about the 'nations' AFTER Christ's return? They will STILL exist, and some of them, like Egypt, Iran, etc., still REJECT Jesus Christ today. That's who Jesus was pointing to that will still be rebellious AFTER His return to Jerusalem per that Zechariah 14:16-19 Scripture.

Rev 20:1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
KJV

Just those above 3 little verses are enough that reveals not all the unsaved nations are destroyed on the day of Christ's future coming. Reason is because there would not be any of them subject to Satan's deceptions AFTER he is loosed to go tempt them AFTER that future "thousand years" reign by Jesus Christ and His elect.

BOTH of those Revelation Scriptures were given by Lord Jesus Christ through His Apostle John AFTER He had said those things in Matthew 25 during His Ministry while He was still alive. And the above Zechariah 14 Scripture is a timeline view FUTURE-FORWARD to that time of those above Revelation 11 and 20 Scriptures.

Thus YOU... need to UPDATE your Bible understanding according to the timelines which Lord Jesus Christ gave in His Word, and stop leaving out the Old Testament prophets like men's false doctrines are teaching you to do.

 

[jeffweeder]

Yes, it is. Those events do not occur at the second coming.

They clearly do.
If they do not, then when are we glorified?


When he appears we will be like him, for we shall see him as is when he comes a second time in the glory of our Father.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, we are [even here and] now children of God, and it is not yet made clear what we will be [after His coming]. We know that when He comes and is revealed, we will [as His children] be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is [in all His glory].

We are glorified at his coming.

Phill 3
18 For there are many, of whom I have often told you, and now tell you even with tears, who live as enemies of the cross of Christ [rejecting and opposing His way of salvation], 19 whose fate is destruction, whose god is their belly [their worldly appetite, their sensuality, their vanity], and whose glory is in their shame—who focus their mind on earthly and temporal things.

20 But [we are different, because] our citizenship is in heaven. And from there we eagerly await [the coming of] the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21 who, by exerting that power which enables Him even to subject everything to Himself, will [not only] transform [but completely refashion] our earthly bodies so that they will be like His glorious resurrected body.


We are glorified at his coming.


The Lord comes in a flaming fire of everlasting destruction when he comes to glorify us.


In case you forgot...,

2Thess
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day

 

[Scott Downey]

Certainly I accept what my Lord Jesus said in the above Matthew 25 Scripture, but I ALSO ACCEPT what He said here, which YOU do not...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

It will be the "kingdoms of this world" that will become the Kingdom of The LORD when Jesus returns. What does that tell you about the 'nations' AFTER Christ's return? They will STILL exist, and some of them, like Egypt, Iran, etc., still REJECT Jesus Christ today. That's who Jesus was pointing to that will still be rebellious AFTER His return to Jerusalem per that Zechariah 14:16-19 Scripture.

Rev 20:1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
KJV

Just those above 3 little verses are enough that reveals not all the unsaved nations are destroyed on the day of Christ's future coming. Reason is because there would not be any of them subject to Satan's deceptions AFTER he is loosed to go tempt them AFTER that future "thousand years" reign by Jesus Christ and His elect.

BOTH of those Revelation Scriptures were given by Lord Jesus Christ through His Apostle John AFTER He had said those things in Matthew 25 during His Ministry while He was still alive. And the above Zechariah 14 Scripture is a timeline view FUTURE-FORWARD to that time of those above Revelation 11 and 20 Scriptures.

Thus YOU... need to UPDATE your Bible understanding according to the timelines which Lord Jesus Christ gave in His Word, and stop leaving out the Old Testament prophets like men's false doctrines are teaching you to do.

You create a massive conflict for yourself when you take a symbolic chapter of apocalyptic language as doctrine from the old covenant. We have the New covenant of hard doctrine about what happens coming direct from Christ and the apostles and is all we need as it directly says what happens and that supersedes the Old testament involving a covenant that has passed away. IT is not to be taken literally. And also some of Revelation is written in the same symbolic way. Is Christ a lamb covered with eyes? Are we actually sheep?
Is Satan actually a fire breathing talking dragon? These are illustrations. And just like this says, you do not understand the things He spoke.

To take such apocalyptic symbolism and apply to doctrine like you do, you need to also preach we are actually animals living in a field and Christ is an animal shepherd herding sheep into pastures. That would be absurd as is what you are doing with Zechariah 14 and this 1000 year earthly reign on the first earth, leaving evil men alive at the return of Christ.
That teaching is in direct conflict with the words of Christ.

John 10
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.

 

[jeffweeder]

Certainly I accept what my Lord Jesus said in the above Matthew 25 Scripture, but I ALSO ACCEPT what He said here, which YOU do not...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

It will be the "kingdoms of this world" that will become the Kingdom of The LORD when Jesus returns. What does that tell you about the 'nations' AFTER Christ's return? They will STILL exist, and some of them, like Egypt, Iran, etc., still REJECT Jesus Christ today. That's who Jesus was pointing to that will still be rebellious AFTER His return to Jerusalem per that Zechariah 14:16-19 Scripture.

Rev 20:1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
KJV

Just those above 3 little verses are enough that reveals not all the unsaved nations are destroyed on the day of Christ's future coming. Reason is because there would not be any of them subject to Satan's deceptions AFTER he is loosed to go tempt them AFTER that future "thousand years" reign by Jesus Christ and His elect.

BOTH of those Revelation Scriptures were given by Lord Jesus Christ through His Apostle John AFTER He had said those things in Matthew 25 during His Ministry while He was still alive. And the above Zechariah 14 Scripture is a timeline view FUTURE-FORWARD to that time of those above Revelation 11 and 20 Scriptures.

Thus YOU... need to UPDATE your Bible understanding according to the timelines which Lord Jesus Christ gave in His Word, and stop leaving out the Old Testament prophets like men's false doctrines are teaching you to do.

Your making Jesus words as written contradictory and insufficient with your spin on other scriptures.
Dont forget to make note of something else Jesus said regarding his coming...,


Mk 13
21 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed)!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it; 22 for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will provide signs and wonders in order to deceive, if [such a thing were] possible, even the elect [those God has chosen for Himself]. 23 But be on your guard; I have told you everything in advance.


Let God be true and EVERY MAN a liar.

 

[Scott Downey]

People say they fully accept what Jesus said, but then by their words prove themselves disingenuous (liar).
Such people are not trustworthy to know anything.
They are contrary to truth and deceiving others.

Deluded people do not recognize they are.
People who follow them are of the blind leading the blind

 

[Davy]

Your making Jesus words as written contradictory and insufficient with your spin on other scriptures.
Dont forget to make note of something else Jesus said regarding his coming...,


Mk 13
21 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed)!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it; 22 for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will provide signs and wonders in order to deceive, if [such a thing were] possible, even the elect [those God has chosen for Himself]. 23 But be on your guard; I have told you everything in advance.


Let God be true and EVERY MAN a liar.

You are only MAKING UP LIES because God has NOT SHOWN YOU HIS WORD that I have covered for you. That's why you have to resort to men's doctrines, because God has not shown you the simplicity of those Bible Scriptures I referenced. So stay deceived, since that's apparently what you want.

 

[Davy]

You create a massive conflict for yourself when you take a symbolic chapter of apocalyptic language as doctrine from the old covenant.

Oh, so now God's written Word is just apocalyptic POETRY and not actual prophecy about REAL LITERAL EVENTS THAT HE SHOWED WILL COME TO PASS AS WRITTEN?

NOW... I really KNOW what side of the fence you are coming from, i.e,. the side that follows the children of darkness and what they... say. You are a HERETIC, and I have nothing more to say to you.

Isa 42:9
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
KJV

 

[jeffweeder]

You are only MAKING UP LIES because God has NOT SHOWN YOU HIS WORD that I have covered for you.

you just made up a lie and made yourself the hero.
I am trying to tell you that Jesus word as written is the hero.

That's why you have to resort to men's doctrines, because God has not shown you the simplicity of those Bible Scriptures I referenced.

There you go again. God needed you to point that out to me.

So stay deceived, since that's apparently what you want.

Where you looking into a mirror when you stated that?