Which adverb for quickly? But he dead he would come like a thief. This is not slowly and happened in the apostles' lifetime.
εὐθέως seems to be adverb which are talking about.
Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?
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εὐθέως seems to be adverb which are talking about.
Revelation would have noted the destruction of the temple of Jerusalem. But if it were before, then the silence is explainable.
You don't have any real evidence.
I don't agree about how the dead are woke. We are given physical angelic bodies.
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So your claiming a fulfillment of Matthew 24:21 from the time of Jesus Christ until the second coming, a continous period of time 2,000+ years and continuing that is the described "Great Tribulation"
Scripture clearly teaches that Daniel's AOD seen in Matthew 24:15 "Causes" the start of the great tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21, with Matthew 24:33-34 clearly stating that the generation that witnesses the described event will not pass/die until "All Is Fulfilled"
Your claim this "Great Tribulation" is in continous ongoing fulfillment is nothing more than reformed theology false "Fables"
The Dispy camp has a 70th week of 2,000 years and waiting, reformed theology fairy tales has this gap at 2,000 years of continously "Great Tribulation"
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Matthew 24:15-21KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24 33-34KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
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Too bad, you are NOT going to be able to TWIST that Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 37 Scripture around to try and make it say what YOU want. You have gone OPPOSITE of what our Heavenly Father Himself has said there, BLASPHEMING HIM. And believe me, you will pay for that, likely by His cutting off what little Bible understanding you have, or had.
The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
Rev 1:1
Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy...because the time is near.
Rev 1:3
"Look, he is coming with the clouds,’ and ‘every eye will see him, even those who pierced him’; and all peoples on earth ‘will mourn because of him.’ So shall it be! Amen.”
Rev 1:7
"God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must come to pass soon."
Rev 22:6
"Behold, I am coming quickly:"
Rev 22:7
"Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is near."
Rev 22:10
"And, behold, I come quickly;"
Rev 22:12
"...Surely I am coming quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus."
Rev 22:20
Trying to postulate that "quickly" in the book means "after a loooong time, after multiple millennia, but when it happens, it will be swift" is ignoring the context, tone and urgency of the book, IMO.
But even if we ignored the verses with "quickly", there are still enough of other verses saying the same thing with different wording ("soon", "near").
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In post #135 you said “That statement above suggests you don't understand your Bible history” I showed how Jeremiah 31:36 must be fulfilled when new heaven new earth are realized. Your response is now in large bold type and presumes to know how God will punish me for that.
How about you just give a reasonable explanation for how the sun and moon don’t obey their ordinances in Isaiah 60:20. I think the problem is you can’t give a reasonable explanation and you are unwilling to admit you might be in error on this.
Christ does not say AOD was the beginning of "great tribulation" for the Church. He tells them and us that there shall be AOD where it should not be. IOW warning there shall be great tribulation, apostasy, spiritual adultery, turning away from Christ among believers in the Church. "See" in this verse means understanding, discerning, have knowledge of tares from the wicked one among us.
Matthew 24:15 (KJV) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Matthew 24:24 (KJV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Acts 20:28-31 (KJV) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
"Generation" is representative of the type or manner of people, not years, in this instance either 'evil' or 'ethnic nation'. IOW antichrists that shall always be among the Church.
Luke 11:29 (KJV) And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jo 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Oh, puhlease, John in a bath house, and calling Marcion the foremost born of Satan. There is nothing there to convince me. I suppose you would like the fact that he was unitarian also.
The 4 verses that Jesus word to mean he was coming quickly.
[Rev 3:11 KJV] 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
[Rev 22:7, 12, 20 KJV] 7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. ... 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. ... 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
[Rev 3:11 KJV] 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
[Rev 22:7, 12, 20 KJV] 7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. ... 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. ... 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
If this is a reply to my post, then it has nothing in common with it.
I meant sources, quotations about Polycarp, of course.
You know he said John was in bath house, and Cerinthus came; and that he claimed to Marcion as the "firstborn" of Satan.
Why tell me to find them, lest you do know about these statements?
Quickly, soon, near are all idioms in Greek indicating sequential phases. This you should have figured out by noting how much "time" has transpired from the time it was written. It does not mean it will happen quickly once it has started. The Coming of Christ is the next prophetic event and that is why Christ will come next, it could be another 2,000 years. You are trying to understand the Greek idioms using only the English translation.
Do you think that Christ's coming is soon (in time), despite it has already been 2,000 years? Was it true when it was written?
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