Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

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Matthew 7:17 - Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Many in wool now bear the fruit of anti christ . SO guess what that mean dan
THEY AINT OF CHRIST .
you cant preach TWO GOSPELS .
You cant preach two gospels .
ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME . budda aint saving squat ,
Muhammed was an anti christ who cant save squat
any other religoin aint saving squat .
IN FACT , in fact
WITH MAN ITS IMPOSSIBLE .
WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED .
WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE .
WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED
WITH MAN this is IMPOSSIBLE
WHO then can BE SAVED
with man this is impossible .
BUT NOT WITH GOD . NOT WITH GOD and GOD determined
Exactly how to save this world .
BY the preaching of the gospel that all who DO BELIEVE would be saved .
Pretty simple is you ask me .
 

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Many in wool now bear the fruit of anti christ . SO guess what that mean dan
THEY AINT OF CHRIST .
you cant preach TWO GOSPELS .
You cant preach two gospels .
ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME . budda aint saving squat ,
Muhammed was an anti christ who cant save squat
any other religoin aint saving squat .
IN FACT , in fact
WITH MAN ITS IMPOSSIBLE .
WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED .
WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE .
WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED
WITH MAN this is IMPOSSIBLE
WHO then can BE SAVED
with man this is impossible .
BUT NOT WITH GOD . NOT WITH GOD and GOD determined
Exactly how to save this world .
BY the preaching of the gospel that all who DO BELIEVE would be saved .
Pretty simple is you ask me .
@amigo de christo
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And the FRUIT of the SPIRIT
YES
its in all goodness , righteousness and TRUTH .
I dont give a rip how many times i hear
folks saying about ol loving grandmas , loving buddists , athiests who gave even the shirt off their backs somehow knew GOD .
ITS ALL A LIE they loved my friend . ITS ALL A LIE they loved .
AND this generation better figure that out real fast .
HOW do i know that even the most kindest atheist , buddist , mulism , even Unbelieving jew ,
oh dear i said it now i must hate jews too ,
THEY have NO LOVE FOR GOD
FOR had they loved GOD they would have LOVED JESUS CHRIST .
WHO, no matter what this satanic interfaith all inclusvive generation says ,
WAS OF GOD .
Go ahead everyone T RY and TELL ME with all boldness that JESUS WAS NOT OF GOD
GO ahead everyone
TELL ME that JESUS IS NOT THE WORD and that the WORD WAS NOT GOD .
SO WHY THE HECK IS THIS SATANIC interfaith generation
sitting UNDER that mess . I dont care who hates me dan . ALL i care about is SOULS being saved
and GOD BEING GLORIFIED .
AND IF JESUS aint GLORIFIED , GOD AINT GLORIFIED . I DONT bend my knee to any lie.
I preach the ONLY HOPE there is , JESUS THE CHRIST and YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM or perish . cause JESUS said THE SAME HIMSELF
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the greatest perversion of all
was to convince christendom to preach a love that entails unbeleif .
Look AROUND sister this site is filling up with such men .
Always going about preaching how one will be saved EVEN if they did not Believe.
But that aint what JESUS went around preaching
or the apostels , and it darn sure aint what i shall be preaching either .
ITS EITHER FAITH IN JESUS or prepare to wail in the lake of fire .
And that might sound harsh to this generation
BUT i THEN SUGGEST to this generation , THEN OPEN YOUR BIBLES and YOU SEE what JESUS said
and how even the apostels warned
and HOW even Christ from heaven did speak . IT darn sure wasnt this message i see today .
 

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the greatest perversion of all
was to convince christendom to preach a love that entails unbeleif .
Look AROUND sister this site is filling up with such men .
Always going about preaching how one will be saved EVEN if they did not Believe.
But that aint what JESUS went around preaching
or the apostels , and it darn sure aint what i shall be preaching either .
ITS EITHER FAITH IN JESUS or prepare to wail in the lake of fire .
And that might sound harsh to this generation
BUT i THEN SUGGEST to this generation , THEN OPEN YOUR BIBLES and YOU SEE what JESUS said
and how even the apostels warned
and HOW even Christ from heaven did speak . IT darn sure wasnt this message i see today .
@amigo de christo
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Matthew 7:17 - Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Dont weep for me dan . dont weep one tear for me .
You weep for these sold out wool wearing folks that dared to preach unbeleif .
Show me one place or one time
where i ever gave false hope to this people . I preached BELIEVE ON JESUS . I gave no false hope to anyone
who did not beleive on him .
I didnt hug the muslim to hell with a lie
By grace i spoke the truth . by grace I POINTED TO THE DIRE AND ABSOLUTE NECESSITY to BELEVE
ON JESUS THE CHRIST WHO CAN SAVE .
SO dont weep for me dan . weep for this all inclusive sold out anti christ interfaith generation .
Cause while its true men like me will be persecuted
And many even killed
HOW MUCH WORSE IS GONNA COME ON THOSE WHO SOLD JESUS OUT FOR A LIE
SOLD JESUS OUT FOR A LIE they thought was love and of GOD .
I made my choice dan . AND NO MAN can pry ME FROM HIM . not even death itself . JESUS has this sheep my friend .
 

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I was like the young prophet who listened to a man who claimed to be a prophet, and was eaten by a lion. The devil is out to fool people who don't understand righteousness.
You spoke a darn good truth epi .
You said the devil is out to fool people who do not Understand righteousness .
And many darn sure seem to think that righteousness can be attained WITHOUT FAITH IN CHRIST EPI .
KNOW anyone like that do ya .
YOU .
NO one can be made righteous OR saved EPI
without HAVING HAD FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
SO i have an idea EPI
START PREACHING JESUS CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED
rather than EPI and himself so called crucified .
 
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You spoke a darn good truth epi .
You said the devil is out to fool people who do not Understand righteousness .

I'm surprised you can read somewhat accurately here. First time I think.
And many darn sure seem to think that righteousness can be attained WITHOUT FAITH IN CHRIST EPI .

Are you saying that Abel, Abraham, Phinehas, Lot, and others all had a correct dogmatic belief about Jesus?
KNOW anyone like that do ya .
YOU .
NO one can be made righteous OR saved EPI
without HAVING HAD FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST .

Saved from what? Saved from sin? Yes, Jesus is the only way to the Father and salvation. So many will claim Christ's name and be rejected. But you have no idea why. Listen to Jesus ....don't turn Him into a religious idol.
SO i have an idea EPI
START PREACHING JESUS CHRIST and HIM CRUCIFIED
rather than EPI and himself so called crucified .
Do you rail against Paul who gloried in the cross that crucified him and not just Jesus?

Stop spreading division and lies. Learn before you speak....or else your words will disqualify you.

Words fail to describe how foolish your ranting is..WITHOUT any knowledge or wisdom.

Why do you sin and then claim to be Christ's? Is Jesus a minster of sin? God forbid.
 

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Many in wool now bear the fruit of anti christ . SO guess what that mean dan
THEY AINT OF CHRIST .
you cant preach TWO GOSPELS .
You cant preach two gospels .
ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME . budda aint saving squat ,
Muhammed was an anti christ who cant save squat
any other religoin aint saving squat .
IN FACT , in fact
WITH MAN ITS IMPOSSIBLE .
WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED .
WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE .
WHO THEN CAN BE SAVED
WITH MAN this is IMPOSSIBLE
WHO then can BE SAVED
with man this is impossible .
BUT NOT WITH GOD . NOT WITH GOD and GOD determined
Exactly how to save this world .
BY the preaching of the gospel that all who DO BELIEVE would be saved .
Pretty simple is you ask me .
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Matt. 7:21-23

You will be judged as you judge. You will find out that exclusivity misapplied leaves you out.

And being empty-headed yourself in your mantras doesn't mean the real God is equally empty-headed. You bear Him a false witness. We are to renew our minds, not empty them. So you are misguided as can be.

You rail against doing the will of the Father which you see as unimportant. You think beliefs are more important to the point of ridiculousness. A fool's hope. We will be judged by our works NOT our beliefs. You rail against doing things lawfully...all because you want to grandstand on a false assumption that by virtue signalling about a simplistic message about claiming Jesus as your idol, that God is honoured. He is not. You seek to sow chaos into the church. Chaos and unrighteousness. You think a foolish claim trumps actual truth. You are lawless in your pursuit, ignoring any kind of understanding, knowledge and wisdom....which you have said you are against as these you see as if THEY were the vanity your espouse.

Lawless and foolish in the extreme.

Repent of your divisive vanities you use to justify yourself and condemn others.
 
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Dont weep for me dan . dont weep one tear for me .
You weep for these sold out wool wearing folks that dared to preach unbeleif .
Show me one place or one time
where i ever gave false hope to this people . I preached BELIEVE ON JESUS . I gave no false hope to anyone
who did not beleive on him .
I didnt hug the muslim to hell with a lie
By grace i spoke the truth . by grace I POINTED TO THE DIRE AND ABSOLUTE NECESSITY to BELEVE
ON JESUS THE CHRIST WHO CAN SAVE .
SO dont weep for me dan . weep for this all inclusive sold out anti christ interfaith generation .
Cause while its true men like me will be persecuted
And many even killed
HOW MUCH WORSE IS GONNA COME ON THOSE WHO SOLD JESUS OUT FOR A LIE
SOLD JESUS OUT FOR A LIE they thought was love and of GOD .
I made my choice dan . AND NO MAN can pry ME FROM HIM . not even death itself . JESUS has this sheep my friend .
You need help my friend. You are delusional. Very sad. And those who pant along to encourage you are guilty as well.
 

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Jesus came to institute a "new and living way" in Himself, not a new dogmatic way, or a new religious way.

And what about those who seek to enter into Christ by the narrow (lawful) way and are unable? Can these take the liberty of naming and claiming lawlessly to be in Him? Doesn't Jesus reject the many who will do so?

Empty slogans, false piety, misguided zeal...all not worthy of a follower of Christ.
 

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Jesus came to institute a "new and living way" in Himself, not a new dogmatic way, or a new religious way.

And what about those who seek to enter into Christ by the narrow (lawful) way and are unable? Can these take the liberty of naming and claiming lawlessly to be in Him? Doesn't Jesus reject the many who will do so?

Empty slogans, false piety, misguided zeal...all not worthy of a follower of Christ.

Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? @Episkopos
Rom 8:32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Rom 8:33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? @Episkopos It is God who justifies.
 

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I'm surprised you can read somewhat accurately here. First time I think.
Oh dear. This is bad fruit isn't it. The fruit of pride, I perceive.
Are you saying that Abel, Abraham, Phinehas, Lot, and others all had a correct dogmatic belief about Jesus?
They had FAITH in God, and that is what saved them........faith in the same God who would later become flesh and be called by the name of Jesus.... which means God saves. Jesus Himself sure was "dogmatic" about the need to believe in Him.

Saved from what? Saved from sin? Yes, Jesus is the only way to the Father and salvation. So many will claim Christ's name and be rejected. But you have no idea why. Listen to Jesus ....don't turn Him into a religious idol.
Faith in Jesus is the only way to be saved from wrath and from sin. Whosoever believes in Him have been saved from sin and are not appointed to wrath....but the world is appointed to wrath, sadly. Who is the world?.....it is those who don't believe. Those who don't believe are condemned and His wrath abides on them already, as was the case with all of us before we came to faith. Which is the whole reason why we and they need a Saviour.. It certainly is not idolatry to believe in Jesus........He is the one true God. On the contrary, it's idolatry to believe in anything other than Him. This is all God's word, Epi.....this is the GOSPEL that Jesus and the apostles preached and taught.

We do need to run the race with sincerity and with our whole heart after coming to faith....faith is just the beginning and by works faith is made perfect. God takes into account our need to grow and learn like parents take that into account with their children.......believers are not born grown up and perfect. There is good reason why the bible says He is "not ashamed to call us His brethren".
 

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Jesus came to institute a "new and living way" in Himself, not a new dogmatic way, or a new religious way.

And what about those who seek to enter into Christ by the narrow (lawful) way and are unable? Can these take the liberty of naming and claiming lawlessly to be in Him? Doesn't Jesus reject the many who will do so?

Empty slogans, false piety, misguided zeal...all not worthy of a follower of Christ.
JESUS sure did come to insitute a new and living way In HIMSELF
and UNBELEIF has no part IN THAT WAY .
Only BELEIVERS in Christ JESUS have the indwelling Holy Spirit .
JESUS did not come , however , so the churches could make a mockery of him
and call him a liar as they now even preach sin and unbelief .
You might wanna start reminding all of the dire need
to BELIEVE IN CHRIST and to follow him and keep His teachings .
Not these two walks stuff you preach .
THERE IS ONLY ONE WALK . its either IN CHRIST or in the world .
And anyone , any false religoin IS NOT in Christ nor walks as HE DID .
FOR they beleive NOT HE IS CHRIST .
THERE is no TRUTH IN THEM . And GOD , CHRIST , THE SPIRIT , IS TRUTH EPI .
This generations in far more ways than one , have been taught slowly and over time
To actually come against the TRUE GOSPEL which darn sure said YE MUST BELEIVE .
Now why ya think that is EPI and why is it so many love to have it so .
You did not learn special high wisdom epi , you were decieved by your own carnal mind .
 

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JESUS sure did come to insitute a new and living way In HIMSELF
and UNBELEIF has no part IN THAT WAY .
Only BELEIVERS in Christ JESUS have the indwelling Holy Spirit .
JESUS did not come , however , so the churches could make a mockery of him
and call him a liar as they now even preach sin and unbelief .
You might wanna start reminding all of the dire need
to BELIEVE IN CHRIST and to follow him and keep His teachings .
Not these two walks stuff you preach .
THERE IS ONLY ONE WALK . its either IN CHRIST or in the world .
And anyone , any false religoin IS NOT in Christ nor walks as HE DID .
FOR they beleive NOT HE IS CHRIST .
THERE is no TRUTH IN THEM . And GOD , CHRIST , THE SPIRIT , IS TRUTH EPI .
This generations in far more ways than one , have been taught slowly and over time
To actually come against the TRUE GOSPEL which darn sure said YE MUST BELEIVE .
Now why ya think that is EPI and why is it so many love to have it so .
You did not learn special high wisdom epi , you were decieved by your own carnal mind .
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“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ Matt. 7:21-23

You will be judged as you judge. You will find out that exclusivity misapplied leaves you out.

And being empty-headed yourself in your mantras doesn't mean the real God is equally empty-headed. You bear Him a false witness. We are to renew our minds, not empty them. So you are misguided as can be.

You rail against doing the will of the Father which you see as unimportant. You think beliefs are more important to the point of ridiculousness. A fool's hope. We will be judged by our works NOT our beliefs. You rail against doing things lawfully...all because you want to grandstand on a false assumption that by virtue signalling about a simplistic message about claiming Jesus as your idol, that God is honoured. He is not. You seek to sow chaos into the church. Chaos and unrighteousness. You think a foolish claim trumps actual truth. You are lawless in your pursuit, ignoring any kind of understanding, knowledge and wisdom....which you have said you are against as these you see as if THEY were the vanity your espouse.

Lawless and foolish in the extreme.

Repent of your divisive vanities you use to justify yourself and condemn others.
And is this toxic brew of bitterness, anger and false accusations the will of the Father, Epi?

Unfortunately by this kind of behaviour you are bringing disrepute to the very holiness you purport to talk about. Not to mention rebuking people for things you are doing yourself. May God have mercy on you and heal and restore whatever is wrong.
 

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Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? @Episkopos
Rom 8:32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Rom 8:33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? @Episkopos It is God who justifies.
Amen. He is omitting and forgetting so many truths.
 

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Oh dear. This is bad fruit isn't it. The fruit of pride, I perceive.

They had FAITH in God, and that is what saved them........faith in the same God who would later become flesh and be called by the name of Jesus.... which means God saves. Jesus Himself sure was "dogmatic" about the need to believe in Him.


Faith in Jesus is the only way to be saved from wrath and from sin. Whosoever believes in Him have been saved from sin and are not appointed to wrath....but the world is appointed to wrath, sadly. Who is the world?.....it is those who don't believe. Those who don't believe are condemned and His wrath abides on them already, as was the case with all of us before we came to faith. Which is the whole reason why we and they need a Saviour.. It certainly is not idolatry to believe in Jesus........He is the one true God. On the contrary, it's idolatry to believe in anything other than Him. This is all God's word, Epi.....this is the GOSPEL that Jesus and the apostles preached and taught.

We do need to run the race with sincerity and with our whole heart after coming to faith....faith is just the beginning and by works faith is made perfect. God takes into account our need to grow and learn like parents take that into account with their children.......believers are not born grown up and perfect. There is good reason why the bible says He is "not ashamed to call us His brethren".
HE sure was sister . HE sure was . He spoke very clearly about the dire need to Beleive on HIM .
HE spoke of the gift of eternal life unto all who do beleive on HIM
And he also spoke of damanation upon all who beleived ................NOT ON HIM .
And the apostels took him seriously sister .
shaking dust off as a warning and testmony against those who did not believe on Him
And my look at all those warnings .
In the beginning GOD had told man not to eat of the tree in the midst of the garden
for n the day that ye do ye shall surely DIE .
But along came a serpent and said NAY ye shall not die , God just knows that in the day ye eat thereof
ye shall become as gods to know good and evil .
YES he used a truth , FOR GOD EVEN SAYS THAT HIMSELF , to promote A LIE that they would not die .
And now
In the beginning of his minstiry and in his days
JESUS warned the peoples of the dire need to believe on HIM and that any who did not would surely perish
would surely be damned .
But quickly soon after HIS depature
Along cometh the sepernt
and says SURELY YE SHALL NOT PERISH if you believe not , FOR GOD IS LOVE .
Once again he uses a truth , GOD IS LOVE to imply HIS LIE they wont perish .
Satan is satan and his desire is only death for man as it has always been .
But what terrifies me , for this people and i mean many in christendom , IS
the fact they seem to love this LIE , this very lie they THINK IS LOVE and OF GOD
and yet it leads them ONLY TO THE SECOND death .
And for this cause HE shall send them STRONG delusion to beleive a LIE and be damend .
WHo recieved NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH whereby they might be saved ,
but had pleasure IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS .
WELL , looks like we got us a huge image of a love god
and this love god darn sure denies the dire need TO BELEIVE ON CHRIST JESUS
and this love god sure is merging the false religoins WHO HATE GOD
with even christendom . A convenant has been made and it sure does seem
that unbelivers and those who love a lie ARE FLOCKING RIGHT UNDER IT
believing even that IT IS OF GOD and that it is the way TO PEACE N SAFETY .
and now a word
FOR WHEN They shall say peace n safety , DOES NOT SAY THEY GET IT
IT say SUDDEN DESTRUCTION comes upon them all and they WILL NOT ESCAPE .
 

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And is this toxic brew of bitterness, anger and false accusations the will of the Father, Epi?

Unfortunately by this kind of behaviour you are bringing disrepute to the very holiness you purport to talk about. Not to mention rebuking people for things you are doing yourself. May God have mercy on you and heal and restore whatever is wrong.
@Lizbeth @amigo de christo
It’s odd how what they falsely accuse others of doing, they’re actually doing it themselves. I.e, Epi railing on Amigo.