Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[amigo de christo]

That was in direct response to Eternally Grateful. Watching this generation increase in its love of sin was not the entertaining part. We are to promote Jesus Christ and the truth of God's Word, but what I see too often is folks who exploit Jesus Christ and God's Word only to end up promoting themselves.

If you saw a building smoking and flames from within
Are you gonna enter into and just sit and hug and try and get along
OR would we do all to warn those inside YOU GOTS TO GET OUT that building IS ON FIRE and it will be your death if you stay
within it .
WELL this sheep gonna warn . cause i see many houses of christendom on fire all right
And its the wrong spirit that set that flame
and that house is coming DOWN on the day of the LORD .

 

[Marvelloustime]

TO DEPART FROM EVIL .

@amigo de christo

 

[Laurina]

Prov. 9:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

 

[Lizbeth]

has God given us a spirit of fear. or a sound mind?

these people who want to teach Fear and works as motivation to do good do not understand who God is.

That verse is not talking about fear of God, it is talking about other fears that are a product of not having a sound mind, and/or are a cause of not having a sound mind.

Fear of the Lord is all over the bible, old and new testaments. Anyone can do a word search and consider what is written about it. My sense, just to use my own words is that fear of God means one is first of all acknowledging the reality and truth of His existence.........and that we are giving him the honour and awe and total respect that is rightly due to Him because of knowing His vast superiority and authority over us and all creation. It is a fear of being displeasing to Him and falling out of favour with Him because He is after all, a very Great King who has the right to rule over us. It means to take Him seriously and not lightly.

Mal 1:6
A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

Jesus told us to fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in Gehenna. In the letters of the apostles we are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling and to be perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord. It is indeed a motivator, and a legitimate one, and it helps to keep us growing and moving forward and taking more ground, because while the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak. So on our side, the reality is that we need it, we just do. The other side of the coin is that we need other things too, like comfort and encouragement......I think of it that there is a kind of tension and balance between both sides of the coin, a kind of paradox, and it's like the Lord apportions each one to us in His wisdom, as and when we need it, and as we seek Him for help to grow and be obedient. I believe perfect love casts out fear, because if and when we are walking in the Spirit with our life/psuche on the altar/cross, walking in His perfect will, there is no need to fear in that sense. Perfect love is talking about our love for God....no greater love has any man than this, than that he lay down his life for his friend. Perfect love is us laying down our life for the Lord, which is what one is doing if/when we are walking in the Spirit, as Jesus was when He was in the world.

1Jo 4:17-19
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
We love him, because he first loved us.

I'm just sharing what the Lord is kindly showing and teaching me also about this. The Lord is often opening things to my understanding as I engage with a topic and ask God about it, and I'm preaching to myself too as I share what He is giving me. I'm understanding this better today than I was yesterday, thanks be to God. :)

 

[Lizbeth]

the most blind of them all
and the most legalistic of them all
the most pharisee like of them all
Are actually sitting smack dab right in the middle of this ECUMINCAL SORRY PILE OF DUNG , judge not
all religoins serve GOD junk .
IT aint me that is the legalistic . YOU DONT SEE ME sitting under ecumincal interfaith ,
YOU SEE ME FIGHTING its lies which by its interreligious dialgoue HAS MADE THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON CHRIST
to be saved , TOTALLY VOID . THERE IS YOUR PHARISEE
and yet most think them judge not correct not , victam card , GOD HATING but god loving , are the lovers of humanity .
THEY THE HATERS OF HUMANITY and satan is their father .
ONLY SATAN would have told this generation and even implied to it
OH ITS OKAY if one believes NOT that JESUS IS THE CHRIST, OH GOD IS LOVE , he says , WE ALL on our own path to HIM .
AND THERE IS YOUR INTERFAITH and exactly what its leading all right too . I EXPOSE that satanic delusion which calls itself love
and claims its of GOD . IT AINT of GOD , it aint of Christ , ITs of the dragon and of that which is of anti christ .

Amen. Interfaith ecumenicalism is a way that seemeth right to man but leads to death. We can't go by what "seemeth" and "feeleth" right to us, we need to be guided by the word of God. Otherwise we're like an airplane pilot trying to fly by his own sight instead of the instruments......that doesn't end well. And God's word says to be separate from the world.....not to be unequally yoked with it and "friends" with it. Friendship with the world is enmity with Him.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. Interfaith ecumenicalism is a way that seemeth right to man but leads to death. We can't go by what "seemeth" and "feeleth" right to us, we need to be guided by the word of God. Otherwise we're like an airplane pilot trying to fly by his own sight instead of the instruments......that doesn't end well. And God's word says to be separate from the world.....not to be unequally yoked with it and "friends" with it. Friendship with the world is enmity with Him.

Therefore who so ever will be a friend to the world
is THE ENEMY of GOD . you bet sister . but many are friend to this world and embrace the lusts of the flesh
and the lies of men and make convenants of peace even with those WHO HATE GOD .
we got a serious problem sister . That which is of anti christ
which ye heard should come into the world , OH IT HAS BEEN IN THE WORLD and IT HAS GROWN MASSIVE NOW .

 

[Marvelloustime]

@amigo de christo

 

[ProDeo]

When a person who condones sin tries to accuse someone who is trying to explain something very far beyond that person's experience...of boasting...then all we have left is a sinful testimony, as in...grace doesn't work, we are all still in Adam under the dominion of sin we have not been liberated from the bondage of Adam...

Now, having believed such lies...due to your own lack of experience of grace, you must then choose from 2 options

1. Be like Behold and falsely claim your sins are actually seen as holiness by God in a crazy scheme that makes Jesus a sinner and we the righteous as Jesus

2. OR we water down the truth to such an extent that any old sinner can claim to be a saint..which most of you prefer.

Rom 12:1 I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.
Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Rom 12:3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.

You are simply using more and more corrupted translations to follow the modern trend of justifying sin. The truth is lost...the power is denied.

Why should I take you seriously who give so much room for sin. Paul said we should avoid such people.

Nice try to put me down once again.

Truth is I showed you in detail why 1Joh 3:4-8 can not be taken literally because it would contradict what the apostle wrote earlier and elsewhere.

Instead ducking the evidence, please return some intelligent feedback, without judgement if possible.

And I know these verses and its literal understanding are the key verses of the holiness movement, those who believe that it is possible to live sinless.

I can appreciate your wish to live without sin, it's our smallest part as Romans 12 states, but we are not Jesus, the blameless Lamb, God the Son, we are fallen creatures.

 

[ProDeo]

There is no sin in Christ...to enter into Christ (abide) means you have been purged from sin.

Absolutely.

Does not mean I am sinless.

1 John 3:4-8 does not teach that.

 

[amigo de christo]

 

[amigo de christo]

Absolutely.

Does not mean I am sinless.

1 John 3:4-8 does not teach that.

my little children these things i write unto you so that you SIN NOT
and if any man does sin we have an advocate with the Father .
Fight the fight daily my friend . And on that note
yall please leave this man alone who warns against sin and error
and dont downplay it but rather corrects sin and error .
But yeah , even john knew the pattern for if one errs and or sins .
Just like james did
just like others did .
IT WAS CORRECT THEM
do all to lead them to repentance of said sins .
That pattern has been abandoned in favor of the love god who sure seems to accept sin
and even unbeleif .
Confess ye your faults one to another and pray that ye may be healed .
Some of us do read and actually ENJOY reading the bible .

 

[amigo de christo]

Absolutely.

Does not mean I am sinless.

1 John 3:4-8 does not teach that.

Epi aint sinless , in fact he preaches the greatest sin of all .
Unbelief . Though he accused me falsely of accusing him .
OH i found some of his earlier writings which PROVED he was not being honest with any of us at all
WHEN he came on and made it seem as though i was falsely accusing him .
THE MAN believes a lie . And not only a lie , BUT THE LIE .
Much blood will be required by any and by all who omitted the DIRE FACT
that INDEED ONE DOES HAVE TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST to be saved
and that all unbelievers ARE CONDEMNED and will face the LAKE of FIRE .

 

[shepherdsword]

Epi aint sinless , in fact he preaches the greatest sin of all .
Unbelief . Though he accused me falsely of accusing him .
OH i found some of his earlier writings which PROVED he was not being honest with any of us at all

Please post those writings so we can all see.

 

[marks]

has God given us a spirit of fear. or a sound mind?

these people who want to teach Fear and works as motivation to do good do not understand who God is.

I fear for what I may be leaving undone that will result in loss for others, not to mention myself. I fear for what I've told myself deceiving myself that God knows full good and well that I know better! I fear that I give casual denial to things held vitally important by God. I fear that I lay down in weariness when He wants me to stand.

In that day, there will not be one excuse I will make, only the stark reality of truth, and receiving what I've done in the body, whether good or bad.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

Epi aint sinless , in fact he preaches the greatest sin of all .
Unbelief . Though he accused me falsely of accusing him .

You are a false accuser which some here may take some time to discover...not everyone is quick to discern.

Your premise is unbiblical and goes against Jesus' teachings.

How will people be judged...by what they believed or what they did? Try to find your type of religious bent in the bible. Jesus teaches the opposite of what you say. Notice...

But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
He answered and said, ‘I will not,’ but afterward he regretted it and went.
And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. Matt. 21:28-31

Are we judged by religious beliefs or works?

The foolish ignore the bible and claim what is unbiblical because they don't understand God's ways

OH i found some of his earlier writings which PROVED he was not being honest with any of us at all

More lies

WHEN he came on and made it seem as though i was falsely accusing him .

You are indeed a false accuser. You will be judged for that.

THE MAN believes a lie . And not only a lie , BUT THE LIE .
Much blood will be required by any and by all who omitted the DIRE FACT
that INDEED ONE DOES HAVE TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST to be saved
and that all unbelievers ARE CONDEMNED and will face the LAKE of FIRE .

That's not in the bible but in your own warped mind. To be saved now one must believe INTO Jesus. Otherwise we will be judged by what we have done with what we have been given. Beliefs mean nothing. Faith is NOT the same as having certain beliefs or opinions ABOUT Jesus.

Your ideology is one of death...not life.

 

[Episkopos]

Rom 12:1 I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.
Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Rom 12:3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.

Agreed. And my ministry is to save people from a hard judgment based on pretending to be something they are not.

Nice try to put me down once again.

Truth is I showed you in detail why 1Joh 3:4-8 can not be taken literally because it would contradict what the apostle wrote earlier and elsewhere.

Instead ducking the evidence, please return some intelligent feedback, without judgement if possible.

And I know these verses and its literal understanding are the key verses of the holiness movement, those who believe that it is possible to live sinless.

I can appreciate your wish to live without sin, it's our smallest part as Romans 12 states, but we are not Jesus, the blameless Lamb, God the Son, we are fallen creatures.

I am exposing you to the truth. A person who enters INTO Christ enters INTO His perfection. That doesn't mean the person never sinned before that or that that person can remain in such a narrow place for the rest of his life. If all you have ever known is sin every day then you have not yet entered INTO Christ. Simple enough to understand.

 

[ProDeo]

I am exposing you to the truth. A person who enters INTO Christ enters INTO His perfection. That doesn't mean the person never sinned before that or that that person can remain in such a narrow place for the rest of his life. If all you have ever known is sin every day then you have not yet entered INTO Christ. Simple enough to understand.

Scripture ?

Don't point 1 John 3:4-8 [KJV] to me.

 

[marks]

Truth is I showed you in detail why 1Joh 3:4-8 can not be taken literally because it would contradict what the apostle wrote earlier and elsewhere.

1 John 3:4-8 KJV
4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5) And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Which part in particular are you thinking the Apostle didn't mean as it reads?

One thing to mention is this is in the Present Tense Active Voice which refers to an ongoing action like our participle.

This is also Present Active, that is, continuous action.

Personally I hold to the truth of this passage.

Much love!

 

[Wynona]

In Christ we walk as He walked in HIS perfection. I have walked that way for 2 lengths of time. The first I lasted a few days. It was new to me and I started to feel trapped...I was far too selfish to appreciate God's miraculous walk in the Spirit. Next time was 18 years later and this time I lasted for 2 and half years. I won some battles but failed a test so I was back to walking as any man. That was 23 years ago or so. I don't know many that understand actually being under grace...and the power that His life brings. Entering INTO Christ. In Him is no sin.

You entered into this higher walk by seeking it from God in prayer? Or did it just happen as you were seeking to be closer to Him?

 

[ProDeo]

1 John 3:4-8 KJV
4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5) And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Which part in particular are you thinking the Apostle didn't mean as it reads?

One thing to mention is this is in the Present Tense Active Voice which refers to an ongoing action like our participle.

This is also Present Active, that is, continuous action.

Personally I hold to the truth of this passage.

Much love!

It would mean that not abiding in Christ becomes the sin.

Not abiding in Christ is very serious -
. v6 - will sin
. v6 - does not know Jesus
. v8 - is of the devil

So what is abiding in Christ?