Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[shepherdsword]

1 John 3:4-8 KJV
4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5) And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Which part in particular are you thinking the Apostle didn't mean as it reads?

One thing to mention is this is in the Present Tense Active Voice which refers to an ongoing action like our participle.

This is also Present Active, that is, continuous action.

Personally I hold to the truth of this passage.

Much love!

The same can be said for "believe" in John 3:16

 

[marks]

So what is abiding in Christ?

To remain in Christ having entered into Christ.

Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

We are baptised into Christ, and remain in Him.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The same can be said for "believe" in John 3:16

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Yes, this indicates a state of continuous action.

Much love!

 

[mailmandan]

To remain in Christ having entered into Christ.

Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

We are baptised into Christ, and remain in Him.

Much love!

The Greek word for “abide” is "meno" which means to remain, tarry, not to depart, continue to be present. Abiding in Christ is not a special level of Christian experience that is only available to a few, elite Christians, but is the position of all genuine believers. 1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

 

[ProDeo]

The Greek word for “abide” is "meno" which means to remain, tarry, not to depart, continue to be present. Abiding in Christ is not a special level of Christian experience that is only available to a few, elite Christians, but is the position of all genuine believers. 1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

Yes.

So then, how shall we understand 1 John 3:4-8 [KJV] ?

 

[shepherdsword]

The Greek word for “abide” is "meno" which means to remain, tarry, not to depart, continue to be present. Abiding in Christ is not a special level of Christian experience that is only available to a few, elite Christians, but is the position of all genuine believers. 1 John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

Let's look at what Jesus said about it:

Jn 15:1-10

"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

"I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

"As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

Focus on the IFs. We see the Lord making some very conditional statements here. What's your thoughts on that Dan?

 

[mailmandan]

Let's look at what Jesus said about it:

Jn 15:1-10

"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

"I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

"As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

Focus on the IFs. We see the Lord making some very conditional statements here. What's your thoughts on that Dan?

In John 15:2-6, the branches that bear fruit and remain are genuine believers (like the remaining 11 disciples). The self-attached branches that bear no fruit and do not remain are not genuine believers (like Judas Iscariot). In John 15:2, Jesus mentions branches that bear no fruit and branches that bear fruit, but Jesus says nothing about branches that bear fruit but then later stop bearing fruit.

Greek scholar AT Robertson points out that there are two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). Probably (Bernard) Jesus here refers to Judas.

John 15 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

When Jesus spoke these words in John 15, how many people at that time, prior to Him being glorified, had received the Holy Spirit and were baptized by one Spirit into one body? - "the body of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 12:13) -- NONE.

John 7:38 - He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

So "in me" is part of the metaphor of the vine (in the vine) and not in the body of Christ under the new covenant which was not yet fully established. Without that vital union with Christ, there is no spiritual life and can be no productivity. Those who profess to know Christ but whose relationship to Him is self-attached, Christ neither saved them, nor sustains them. Eventually, the dead self-attached fruitless branches are cut off.

IF is a confirmation. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[Episkopos]

You entered into this higher walk by seeking it from God in prayer? Or did it just happen as you were seeking to be closer to Him?

!st time by asking God what the Holy Spirit was. Second time by getting fed up with the flesh and surrendering everything I am and have.

1 st time I couldn't take it any more after 3 days or so. Second time I lasted 2.5 years until I failed a test due to a lack of understanding of righteousness.

 

[shepherdsword]

In John 15:2-6, the branches that bear fruit and remain are genuine believers (like the remaining 11 disciples). The self-attached branches that bear no fruit and do not remain are not genuine believers (like Judas Iscariot). In John 15:2, Jesus mentions branches that bear no fruit and branches that bear fruit, but Jesus says nothing about branches that bear fruit but then later stop bearing fruit.

The problem with that is that they WERE at one time attached to Christ but were removed.

Greek scholar AT Robertson points out that there are two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). Probably (Bernard) Jesus here refers to Judas.

John 15 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

A.T. Robertson's position on Jn 15:6


You see how he agrees that the disciples were being warned against presumption and the condition set?

When Jesus spoke these words in John 15, how many people at that time, prior to Him being glorified, had received the Holy Spirit and were baptized by one Spirit into one body? - "the body of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 12:13) -- NONE.

John 7:38 - He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

So "in me" is part of the metaphor of the vine (in the vine) and not in the body of Christ under the new covenant which was not yet fully established. Without that vital union with Christ, there is no spiritual life and can be no productivity. Those who profess to know Christ but whose relationship to Him is self-attached, Christ neither saved them, nor sustains them. Eventually, the dead self-attached fruitless branches are cut off.

You are grasping at straws. To be In the vine is to be IN Christ as he says "I AM the Vine, you are the branches."

IF is a confirmation. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

So you agree that keeping the commandments of Jesus is a condition or knowing him?

 

[mailmandan]

The problem with that is that they WERE at one time attached to Christ but were removed.

The problem with that is if there is no fruit then this demonstrates there is no vital connection to the vine and no spiritual life. As AT Robertson pointed out - Two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). That is the heart of the problem. Again, Jesus mentions branches that bear no fruit and branches that bear fruit, but Jesus says nothing about branches that bear fruit but then later stop bearing fruit.

Jesus makes a distinction between branches "in" a vine and branches which "abide in" the vine. Merely being self-attached and close to the source of life is not enough and neither is being intertwined with other branches. Only branches that have that vital connection with the vine will bear fruit. A good vinedresser cuts out those dead, fruitless branches and burns them. The analogy Jesus presents here is not about loss of salvation, but about those who put on an appearance of faith but have no spiritual and vital connection with the vine.

A.T. Robertson's position on Jn 15:6

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You see how he agrees that the disciples were being warned against presumption and the condition set?

AT Robertson believes in eternal security of the believer (as do I) but he does not believe in eternal presumption (and neither do I). We cannot presume that everyone who appears to have a vital connection with the vine (Judas Iscariot for example) truly does. In me (εν εμο). Two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). The fruitless (not bearing fruit, μη φερον καρπον) the vine-dresser "takes away" (αιρε) or prunes away. Probably (Bernard) Jesus here refers to Judas. John 15 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

You are grasping at straws. To be In the vine is to be IN Christ as he says "I AM the Vine, you are the branches."

Again, when Jesus spoke these words in John 15, how many people at that time, prior to Him being glorified, had received the Holy Spirit and were baptized by one Spirit into one body? - "the body of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 12:13) -- NONE. So "in me" is part of the metaphor of the vine (in the vine) and not in the body of Christ under the new covenant which was not yet fully established. (John 7:37-39)

So, you agree that keeping the commandments of Jesus is a condition or knowing him?

Don't put the cart before the horse which culminates in salvation by works at the back door. Keeping His commandments is the demonstrative evidence that we do know Him. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. See the contrast?

 

[shepherdsword]

The problem with that is if there is no fruit then this demonstrates there is no vital connection to the vine and no spiritual life. As AT Robertson pointed out - Two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). That is the heart of the problem. Again, Jesus mentions branches that bear no fruit and branches that bear fruit, but Jesus says nothing about branches that bear fruit but then later stop bearing fruit.

Jesus makes a distinction between branches "in" a vine and branches which "abide in" the vine. Merely being self-attached and close to the source of life is not enough and neither is being intertwined with other branches. Only branches that have that vital connection with the vine will bear fruit. A good vinedresser cuts out those dead, fruitless branches and burns them. The analogy Jesus presents here is not about loss of salvation, but about those who put on an appearance of faith but have no spiritual and vital connection with the vine.

This is ridiculous. All of the branches were attached to the vine. Otherwise this would make no sense "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away" See how Jesus said "every branch IN me" The ones taken away were at one time IN Jesus.

AT Robertson believes in eternal security of the believer (as do I) but he does not believe in eternal presumption (and neither do I). We cannot presume that everyone who appears to have a vital connection with the vine (Judas Iscariot for example) truly does. In me (εν εμο). Two kinds of connections with Christ as the vine (the merely cosmic which bears no fruit, the spiritual and vital which bears fruit). The fruitless (not bearing fruit, μη φερον καρπον) the vine-dresser "takes away" (αιρε) or prunes away. Probably (Bernard) Jesus here refers to Judas. John 15 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

It can't be proven that A.T. Robertson believed in eternal security. While he was a southern Baptist you can tell by his writings that he broke rank with him. Do you even know who he is? Have you actually read "Word Pictures in the New Testament"? I actually have it and I use his parsing as evidence against eternal security all the time.

There aren't any clear, direct quotations or writings from A. T. Robertson that explicitly state his belief for or against the doctrine of eternal security (once saved, always saved) in the way modern debates frame it. However, his Greek interpretations are often used against the OSAS camp (see my last post where I showed he put a condition on abiding) Look again and tell me how this promotes eternal security:


https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/rwp/john-15.html

Again, when Jesus spoke these words in John 15, how many people at that time, prior to Him being glorified, had received the Holy Spirit and were baptized by one Spirit into one body? - "the body of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 12:13) -- NONE. So "in me" is part of the metaphor of the vine (in the vine) and not in the body of Christ under the new covenant which was not yet fully established. (John 7:37-39)

Don't put the cart before the horse which culminates in salvation by works at the back door. Keeping His commandments is the demonstrative evidence that we do know Him. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. See the contrast?

Yes, He also spoke of what would happen in Matt 24 BEFORE his resurrection as well. He uttered many things before they happened. He was also a prophet and his discourse in Jn 15 is a reference to his future body. It is irrelevant that he said this before his death and resurrection. Those were both heavily on his mind.

 

[Marvelloustime]

my little children these things i write unto you so that you SIN NOT
and if any man does sin we have an advocate with the Father .
Fight the fight daily my friend . And on that note
yall please leave this man alone who warns against sin and error
and dont downplay it but rather corrects sin and error .
But yeah , even john knew the pattern for if one errs and or sins .
Just like james did
just like others did .
IT WAS CORRECT THEM
do all to lead them to repentance of said sins .
That pattern has been abandoned in favor of the love god who sure seems to accept sin
and even unbeleif .
Confess ye your faults one to another and pray that ye may be healed .
Some of us do read and actually ENJOY reading the bible .

@amigo de christo

 

[mailmandan]

This is ridiculous. All of the branches were attached to the vine. Otherwise this would make no sense "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away" See how Jesus said "every branch IN me" The ones taken away were at one time IN Jesus.

It can't be proven that A.T. Robertson believed in eternal security. While he was a southern Baptist you can tell by his writings that he broke rank with him. Do you even know who he is? Have you actually read "Word Pictures in the New Testament"? I actually have it and I use his parsing as evidence against eternal security all the time.

There aren't any clear, direct quotations or writings from A. T. Robertson that explicitly state his belief for or against the doctrine of eternal security (once saved, always saved) in the way modern debates frame it. However, his Greek interpretations are often used against the OSAS camp (see my last post where I showed he put a condition on abiding) Look again and tell me how this promotes eternal security:

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John 15 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Yes, He also spoke of what would happen in Matt 24 BEFORE his resurrection as well. He uttered many things before they happened. He was also a prophet and his discourse in Jn 15 is a reference to his future body. It is irrelevant that he said this before his death and resurrection. Those were both heavily on his mind.

WE DISAGREE. It's as simple as that. Only a vital connection with the vine will bear fruit and abiding, continuing is a confirmation that one has this vital connection with the vine. (like the remaining 11 disciples) Those who bear no fruit and do not abide, continue demonstrate otherwise. (like Judas Iscariot)

 

[Lambano]

Second time by getting fed up with the flesh and surrendering everything I am and have.

Could you elaborate?

 

[Episkopos]

This is ridiculous. All of the branches were attached to the vine. Otherwise this would make no sense "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away" See how Jesus said "every branch IN me" The ones taken away were at one time IN Jesus.

It can't be proven that A.T. Robertson believed in eternal security. While he was a southern Baptist you can tell by his writings that he broke rank with him. Do you even know who he is? Have you actually read "Word Pictures in the New Testament"? I actually have it and I use his parsing as evidence against eternal security all the time.

There aren't any clear, direct quotations or writings from A. T. Robertson that explicitly state his belief for or against the doctrine of eternal security (once saved, always saved) in the way modern debates frame it. However, his Greek interpretations are often used against the OSAS camp (see my last post where I showed he put a condition on abiding) Look again and tell me how this promotes eternal security:

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John 15 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Yes, He also spoke of what would happen in Matt 24 BEFORE his resurrection as well. He uttered many things before they happened. He was also a prophet and his discourse in Jn 15 is a reference to his future body. It is irrelevant that he said this before his death and resurrection. Those were both heavily on his mind.

Amen. The fruit that God is looking for is godly character...humility and the fear of the Lord. As Gentile believers we have a sort of backward walk. We begin with a sample of grace (holiness and glory) and we must SUPPORT that foundation with obedience in righteousness. The Jews have to go the other way...beginning with a better grasp of righteousness but lacking any experience of holiness and glory...because they miss Christ and His grace.

As Paul said, the Jews followed the way of righteousness but missed what God is doing...being conformed to a higher righteousness, the righteousness of God.

But far too many Gentile believers look down on righteousness thinking they are not required to be conformed to humble obedience and get puffed up with vain ideologies that support a lofty claim.

 

[Episkopos]

Could you elaborate?

I was like the young prophet who listened to a man who claimed to be a prophet, and was eaten by a lion. The devil is out to fool people who don't understand righteousness.

 

[amigo de christo]

WE DISAGREE. It's as simple as that. Only a vital connection with the vine will bear fruit and abiding, continuing is a confirmation that one has this vital connection with the vine. (like the remaining 11 disciples) Those who bear no fruit and do not abide, continue demonstrate otherwise. (like Judas Iscariot)

Fruit .
Ye shall indeed know them by their fruits .
And while this generation focuses its fruits on the lovey do hugy do and it dont matter what religoin one follows
Allow me to be very very specific about something .
IF i even had given all my monies to the poor
Had my body even burned but had not charity , It profits NADA .
Now what does CHARITY rejoice in and what does it not rejoice in . IT REJOICES IN TRUTH , not in inquity .
Now lets go back and examine THE FRUIT of THE SPIRIT
and see something that many no longer truly understand .
What is the FRUIT of the SPIRIT mailmandan
It is in all goodness , righteousness and drumroll ........TRUTH .
and no lie IS OF THE TRUTH . yet many seem to always holler about the fruits
all the time and holler about love , about charity all the time .
ONLY PROBLEM IS they loving on A LIE . A big fat broad path of UNBELEIF LIE .

 

[mailmandan]

Fruit .
Ye shall indeed know them by their fruits .
And while this generation focuses its fruits on the lovey do hugy do and it dont matter what religoin one follows
Allow me to be very very specific about something .
IF i even had given all my monies to the poor
Had my body even burned but had not charity , It profits NADA .
Now what does CHARITY rejoice in and what does it not rejoice in . IT REJOICES IN TRUTH , not in inquity .
Now lets go back and examine THE FRUIT of THE SPIRIT
and see something that many no longer truly understand .
What is the FRUIT of the SPIRIT mailmandan
It is in all goodness , righteousness and drumroll ........TRUTH .
and no lie IS OF THE TRUTH . yet many seem to always holler about the fruits
all the time and holler about love , about charity all the time .
ONLY PROBLEM IS they loving on A LIE . A big fat broad path of UNBELEIF LIE .

Matthew 7:17 - Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Fruit .
Ye shall indeed know them by their fruits .
And while this generation focuses its fruits on the lovey do hugy do and it dont matter what religoin one follows
Allow me to be very very specific about something .
IF i even had given all my monies to the poor
Had my body even burned but had not charity , It profits NADA .
Now what does CHARITY rejoice in and what does it not rejoice in . IT REJOICES IN TRUTH , not in inquity .
Now lets go back and examine THE FRUIT of THE SPIRIT
and see something that many no longer truly understand .
What is the FRUIT of the SPIRIT mailmandan
It is in all goodness , righteousness and drumroll ........TRUTH .
and no lie IS OF THE TRUTH . yet many seem to always holler about the fruits
all the time and holler about love , about charity all the time .
ONLY PROBLEM IS they loving on A LIE . A big fat broad path of UNBELEIF LIE .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Matthew 7:17 - Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

And the FRUIT of the SPIRIT
YES
its in all goodness , righteousness and TRUTH .
I dont give a rip how many times i hear
folks saying about ol loving grandmas , loving buddists , athiests who gave even the shirt off their backs somehow knew GOD .
ITS ALL A LIE they loved my friend . ITS ALL A LIE they loved .
AND this generation better figure that out real fast .
HOW do i know that even the most kindest atheist , buddist , mulism , even Unbelieving jew ,
oh dear i said it now i must hate jews too ,
THEY have NO LOVE FOR GOD
FOR had they loved GOD they would have LOVED JESUS CHRIST .
WHO, no matter what this satanic interfaith all inclusvive generation says ,
WAS OF GOD .
Go ahead everyone T RY and TELL ME with all boldness that JESUS WAS NOT OF GOD
GO ahead everyone
TELL ME that JESUS IS NOT THE WORD and that the WORD WAS NOT GOD .
SO WHY THE HECK IS THIS SATANIC interfaith generation
sitting UNDER that mess . I dont care who hates me dan . ALL i care about is SOULS being saved
and GOD BEING GLORIFIED .
AND IF JESUS aint GLORIFIED , GOD AINT GLORIFIED . I DONT bend my knee to any lie.
I preach the ONLY HOPE there is , JESUS THE CHRIST and YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM or perish . cause JESUS said THE SAME HIMSELF