Only Those Who Do the Will of God Will Enter the Kingdom

[GracePeace]

Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have "WE" not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? Notice they said "WE" which demonstrates they were trusting in what THEY DID to receive eternal life and not in Jesus Christ alone.

Nope, that's not the issue at stake. The issue at stake is they think that being pleasing to God consists in doing supernatural works, not in being LAWFUL, DOING THE WILL OF THE FATHER, WHICH IS FOLLOWING RIGHTEOUS BEHAVIOR IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS TEACHINGS. That's the "proper" way to conclude the meaning of Mt 7 from its context.

*The correct answer for these many people would have been Lord, Lord, didn't "YOU" die for our sins, were buried and rise again the third day to provide for us eternal life? We believe in/have faith in/trust in YOU for salvation.

No, Jesus faults them for being "lawless", so the "correct" course of action would have been to be "lawful"--ie, do the will of the Father, which is to be righteous in accordance with Jesus's teachings, to love one another as He loved us first.

Since these many people did not believe in Jesus Christ unto salvation (John 3:15,16,18; 6:40:47 etc..) they were not saved and all of their sins remain. Hence, they were lawless as are all lost unbelievers in the eyes of God. A good tree bears good fruit but a bad tree bears bad fruit. (Matthew 7:17)

So you're agreeing that they must be doers of good/lawful to be justified, not condemned for being lawless, on that Day, but your only argument against what I'm saying is not that they must have these good deeds whereby they will be justified but that they happen "automatically" to people who "truly believe"?

 

[mailmandan]

Oops, God can forget righteousness (Ez 18:24),

No oops. Ezekiel 18:29 - But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? Ezekiel 33:13 - When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his OWN righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.

Did you read that? "If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS." This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith. The New Testament states in Romans 10:3 - "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.

so He can validly say "I never knew you" to people who don't ENDURE (Hebrews 3, 10) in the faith, because "faith is completed by works" (Ja 2), yet their lawless works did not accord with faith, thus, having not tested themselves to see if they were still in the faith, they fall away from that faith they professed (saying, "Lord, Lord" to Him, not knowing they are no longer in the faith),

Jesus said I NEVER knew you (Matthew 7:23) and not I once knew you but I don't anymore. Those who fail to endure in faith demonstrate that their faith was never firmly rooted and established from the start.

In Hebrews 3:8-10, we read - Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, In the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore, I was angry with that generation, and said, 'They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways.' *Not descriptive of genuine believers. *There is no loss of salvation here. *Only a failure to receive it. Verses 18-19 - And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. That explains the hardened heart. It took them in the opposite direction of God. Considered the truth for a time, then hardened heart and departing from God became their final answer.

In Hebrews 10:26, the term "sin willfully" carries the idea of deliberate intention which is habitual and stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9) Verse 39 - But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of our soul and those who believe to saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

thus, as He says, "Whoever denies Me before men I will deny before My Father", and "in their works they deny Him"--and "faith is counted as righteousness", but He forgets their "faith counted as righteousness", thus, "I never knew you".

That is your eisegesis. Matthew 10:32 - Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

In context, this passage relates to the fact that the Pharisees had continuously denied Jesus while the disciples continued to speak about Him everywhere they went. To paraphrase His teaching this way: "Whoever confesses me before men (such as you disciples), I will confess him before my Father in heaven. But whoever denies me before men (like the Pharisees), I will deny him before my Father in heaven.

Those who confess Jesus (Romans 10:8-10) are those who recognize Him as being the true Messiah and trust in Him as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation (Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31 etc..). Those who deny Jesus (and those who give mere lip service confession) but refuse to trust in Him alone for salvation place themselves beyond any possibility of salvation, since salvation is found only in Him (John 3:15,16,18; 10:9; 14:6).

The word for "deny" is an aorist tense. This points to the fact that Jesus is not talking about a single instance of denial (as was the case with Peter, who actually denied Jesus three times (Luke 22:56-62) but is referring to life in its entirety. Hence, the person who throughout his life denies Christ (as was typically the case with the Pharisess and includes unbelievers who may even give mere "lip service confession" - Matthew 7:22-23, but lack saving faith in Christ) will be denied by Christ before the Father.

 

[GracePeace]

No oops. Ezekiel 18:29 - But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? Ezekiel 33:13 - When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his OWN righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.

Did you read that? "If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS." This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith. The New Testament states in Romans 10:3 - "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.

Yes, "oops" : their error is in saying "I have been righteous in the past, therefore, I can turn from righteousness and do evil and get away with it", but God heads them off at the pass, warning them that He will not remember that past righteousness they are depending on to justify them while they turn to lawlessness, which actually proves my point.

In the passage, the doctrine that God forgets past sin if someone turns from their sin to God and righteousness is taught, and you agree with that, acknowledging that it obtains in the New Covenant, but, somehow, when it teaches God forgets righteousness if someone turns from righteousness to sin, that is not valid? God changes?

Jesus said I NEVER knew you (Matthew 7:23) and not I once knew you but I don't anymore. Those who fail to endure in faith demonstrate that their faith was never firmly rooted and established from the start.

He forgot their faith counted as righteousness, thus, on that account, He "never" knew them.
When He forgets our sins, we are "saints", He does not remember our sins (Jer 31), and does not count them against us (Ro 4:6-8)--for those whose "faith counted as righteousness" is forgotten, He can say "I never knew you", because it is forgotten, separated from them as far as the East is from the West, thrown into the sea of forgetfulness, blotted out, just as He blots out transgressions.

In Hebrews 3:8-10, we read - Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, In the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore, I was angry with that generation, and said, 'They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways.' *Not descriptive of genuine believers. *There is no loss of salvation here. *Only a failure to receive it. Verses 18-19 - And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. That explains the hardened heart. It took them in the opposite direction of God. Considered the truth for a time, then hardened heart and departing from God became their final answer.

In Hebrews 10:26, the term "sin willfully" carries the idea of deliberate intention which is habitual and stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9) Verse 39 - But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of our soul and those who believe to saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

The dynamic I highlighted is that they are told they need endurance.
Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 10 both teach the need for perseverance and endurance--that's the issue--and we see that this relates to doing good. The ones who did not enter did not enter because of unbelief, but what was their unbelief? "We cannot go in and fight these giants." So their unbelief pertained to DEEDS. Faith pertains to DEEDS. Unbelief pertains to DEEDS. "By faith they shut the mouths of lions," etc, etc, etc, etc. By FAITH they PERFORMED DEEDS. Faith is completed by DEEDS (Ja 2).

That is your eisegesis. Matthew 10:32 - Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

In context, this passage relates to the fact that the Pharisees had continuously denied Jesus while the disciples continued to speak about Him everywhere they went. To paraphrase His teaching this way: "Whoever confesses me before men (such as you disciples), I will confess him before my Father in heaven. But whoever denies me before men (like the Pharisees), I will deny him before my Father in heaven.

Those who confess Jesus (Romans 10:8-10) are those who recognize Him as being the true Messiah and trust in Him as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation (Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31 etc..). Those who deny Jesus (and those who give mere lip service confession) but refuse to trust in Him alone for salvation place themselves beyond any possibility of salvation, since salvation is found only in Him (John 3:15,16,18; 10:9; 14:6).

The word for "deny" is an aorist tense. This points to the fact that Jesus is not talking about a single instance of denial (as was the case with Peter, who actually denied Jesus three times (Luke 22:56-62) but is referring to life in its entirety. Hence, the person who throughout his life denies Christ (as was typically the case with the Pharisess and includes unbelievers who may even give mere "lip service confession" - Matthew 7:22-23, but lack saving faith in Christ) will be denied by Christ before the Father.

Yeah, people can deny Christ in their works, as Scripture teaches, but they can still repent afterward, and confess Him, so they can still be justified; if not, they will be condemned / denied before the Father.

 

[mailmandan]

Nope, that's not the issue at stake. The issue at stake is they think that being pleasing to God consists in doing supernatural works, not in being LAWFUL, DOING THE WILL OF THE FATHER, WHICH IS FOLLOWING RIGHTEOUS BEHAVIOR IN ACCORDANCE WITH HIS TEACHINGS. That's the "proper" way to conclude the meaning of Mt 7 from its context.

You are missing the very heart of the issue. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. Matthew 12:33 - Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.

Don't confuse God's will for us in order to BECOME saved: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

God's will for us AFTER we have been saved: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

 

[GracePeace]

You are missing the very heart of the issue. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. Matthew 12:33 - Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.

Don't confuse God's will for us in order to BECOME saved: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

God's will for us AFTER we have been saved: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

No, from the context, the issue is they don't do the good He teaches.
Do you deny that this is the thing Christ objects to inasmuch as He calls them "lawless" in spite of their performance of supernatural works in His Name thinking they are serving Christ--that the issue is "I did not tell you you could enter heaven if you perform miracles in My Name, yet behave lawlessly, I told you you will enter heaven if you do what is righteous/lawful"?

 

[GracePeace]

Don't confuse God's will for us in order to BECOME saved: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

I agree that people who live their lives looking to Christ as their truth they live by both toward God and men, with the result that they are filled with Christ, and they are empowered to behave like Christ for His glory, in love and righteousness, will be raised to life on the last day, and I observe that this accords and coheres with the rest of John's teachings, which I have shared numerous times, and with Mt 7, which teaches that without this love and righteousness you will not enter heaven.

 

[Behold]

So, Jesus teaches about a future event that will never occur?

Much will occur between the "time of the gentiles" and "the millennial reign of Christ'.

In your book, Jesus erred? Not possible.

Jesus never made a mistake.
How could God make a mistake.

Religious people however, make many.......especially theological.

One of the worst i see religious people make, is to try to change Salvation from a Gift to a self effort.
This offends The Cross, and the Grace of God.

Revelation 22
12“Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done.

The Bema seat is something different, as its for Christians, only.

Paul, wonder of all wonders, teaches the same (and it's after the resurrection) :

Romans 2
6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

Paul knows that "doing good" does not save you, and does not give you eternal life.

When will you ever understand this..?

Jesus told you that if you believe in Him, He'll "give you eternal life".

So, both teach eternal life is rendered to DOERS OF GOOD.
You reject that--that's your problem, not mine.

"doing" something: is the person's self effort. Its just works, and God does not accept anyone's works to accept them.
See The Cross of Christ for the reason why.

Salvaiton is From God......Its a Gift, earned by Jesus's Sacrifice.
Do you think you'll ever understand this reality?

His commands which are eternal life

No verse in a real bible says that "Jesus's commands" are eternal life.

Jesus does say that His words are : spirit and Life and truth.

John 15
12“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.

Loving one another is not going to get you into heaven.

Being born again is the only way there...

This is just as John teaches :

1 John 3
23And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.

Loving one another does not get you into heaven.

Being Born again is the only way there....

So, the commandment is singular : believe AND love one another.

WE trust in Christ...... and God accepts our Faith to accept us based on the finished work of Christ on The Cross.

After we believe and are born again... we "bear fruit"....and Love is the utmost fruit.

John 15
4“Abide in Me, and I in you.

Notice that your verse is describing a Person who is INSIDE Jesus, and Jesus is INSIDE THE PERSON........the Believer.
Did you notice this yet?
So, this is Spiritual "abiding".........and is completely related to being born again.

See, the heretics dont understand this verse is speaking about a Chrisitan's eternal position as "IN Christ" and "one with God"........so, they teach this verse as their idea of SELF roighteousness.

1 John 3
24Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him.

A Chrisitan abides in Christ the same way they entered Christ to begin with.....which is by being born again.

A.) Spiritual Birth

You actually believe you can be "saved", yet resurrected to condemnation

Sinners who are never born again, are always condemned and Judged.

Whereas the Christian will never be under God's condemnation.., because they are "in Christ" and condemnation is not found there.

New International Version
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

New Living Translation
So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.

English Standard Version
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

I have equally asserted, and provided Scriptures, that Jesus said obeying His commands is eternal life.

And you dont understand God's Grace according to your posts.
God's Grace is , is The Cross of Christ, that is the Blood Atonement, that is the New Covenant. @GracePeace

 

[pandaflower]

Are you mocking John 6:40? Do you also mock (John 3:16,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) as well? In context, Jesus is discussing false prophets. (Matthew 7:15-23) Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

Only genuine BELIEVERS are DESCRIBED as having pleased God and DONE good, DO THE THINGS that are pleasing to Him, HIS COMMANDMENT IS ETERNAL LIFE through BELIEVING IN HIM (vs. 46) has my COMMANDMENTS and KEEPS them, knowing the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent, doing what God commands.

False prophets and UNBELIEVERS in general are DESCRIBED as done evil, do not do the things that are pleasing to Him, do not keep His commandments, do not know Him, do not please God by speaking and doing things God commands.

Just remember, even the devil can appear as an angel of light and quote scripture.

Only those whom God calls and reaches with his Holy Spirit can do the Father's will.

 

[Jack]

Mt 7 Narrow is the way that leads to Life and FEW there be who find it.

IOW, BILLIONS of humans will burn in Hell FOREVER!

 

[GracePeace]

Much will occur between the "time of the gentiles" and "the millennial reign of Christ'.

Including Christ being wrong about who will be raised to life--those who have done good will not be raised to justification and life, and those who have done evil will not be raised to condemnation and death?

Jesus never made a mistake.
How could God make a mistake.
Religious people however, make many.......especially theological.

Just deal with the subject matter, don't muddy the waters with emotional personal attacks because you are getting pulverized.

The Bema seat is something different, as its for Christians, only.

Paul knows that "doing good" does not save you, and does not give you eternal life.

When will you ever understand this..?

Your position is indefensible : Romans 2 warns the Christian Jews that because of their hypocrisy they will be repaid wrath, not eternal life, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS when God judges by Christ--just as Christ says He repays each according to their DEEDS in Rev 22:12.

Jesus told you that if you believe in Him, He'll "give you eternal life".

Around and around we go : you choose not to respond to the many verses in John which teach that only doers of good, of His commands, will have eternal life.

"doing" something: is the person's self effort. Its just works, and God does not accept anyone's works to accept them.

Nope, Paul says "I was abundant in labors above them all, yet, not I, but the grace with me" : there is labor that is not self-effort.

This is also reflected in the Torah : the land must enjoy its Sabbath rest, and it is still active while it is resting, and men may eat its fruit, but there are things they must not do to it which would establish a master-slave relationship with it (they cannot till it, they cannot prune the vines, they cannot harvest from it), which would make it break its Sabbath, but the fact that it is not in a master-slave relationship, not "working", does not mean it is "inactive", so we see that there is "activity" that is not "work" (eg, "not I but the grace with me"), and if a man does not walk in faith he is sinning and is "condemned" because that is not resting in God's righteousness, but walking in love and faith is restful activity that does not count as "work".

Some people get mixed up about things Paul says--it helps if you read the same stuff he was reading (eg, Torah).

Salvaiton is From God......Its a Gift, earned by Jesus's Sacrifice.
Do you think you'll ever understand this reality?

Do you think you'll ever answer Scripture?

No verse in a real bible says that "Jesus's commands" are eternal life.

I've quoted many such verses to you :

John 5:28...those who have DONE good to the resurrection of life, and those who have DONE evil to the resurrection of judgment.

John 8:29And he who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always DO THE THINGS that are pleasing to him.

John 12:50 And I know that HIS COMMANDMENT IS ETERNAL LIFE. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.

John 14:21Whoever has my COMMANDMENTS and KEEPS them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.
John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Loving one another is not going to get you into heaven.

Who does Christ condemn on that Day according to Mt 7, and Ro 2:6-17?
The lawless, correct?
Who does Christ justify on that Day?
The lawful, correct?

WE trust in Christ...... and God accepts our Faith to accept us based on the finished work of Christ on The Cross.

After we believe and are born again... we "bear fruit"....and Love is the utmost fruit.

So you agree that we are justified on that Day due to "bearing fruit", or righteousness, correct?

Anyway, we've had this discussion many times, and I have found that you have no intention of addressing the passages, just parroting the same empty unjustifiable platitudes.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I'm ridiculing your ridiculous approach to the text.

Do board rules allow people to ridicule each other now?

 

[Behold]

Including Christ being wrong about who will be raised to life--those who have done good will not be raised to justification and life, and those who have done evil will not be raised to condemnation and death?

You need to get a Bible, and do a study of "The Bema Seat"., vs "the Great White Throne Judgement".

There is a resurrection of the Damned, and a resurrection of/for the Just.

Just deal with the subject matter, don't muddy the waters with emotional personal attacks because you are getting pulverized.

You are one of those unfortunate forum members, who can only "cut and paste" who can't learn.

Romans 2 warns the Christian Jews that because of their hypocrisy they will be repaid wrath, not eternal life,

The only people who will face God's Wrath on earth and in eternity are these....

John 3:36.

Look it up.

ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS when God judges by Christ--just as Christ says He repays each according to their DEEDS in Rev 22:12.

Yes, you posted that verse, but you dont understand it.

Just do what i told you..

God and study 2 Corin 5:10 and Rev 20:11.

2 Judgements...

= They are not the same thing.......not the same situation.

John which teach that only doers of good, of His commands, will have eternal life.

Being born again is why a CHRISTian has eternal life, already.
To be born again, means that God has forgiven the believer's sin, and has birthed them as 'in Christ"., and that is where Eternal life is found.
Or as JOHN teaches the CHRISTians.......'"you can KNOW that you have eternal life, and this LIFE is IN HIS SON"".

Nope, Paul says "I was abundant in labors above them all, yet, not I, but the grace with me" : there is labor that is not self-effort.

Paul's "labors" produced many churches during His time......and After He was gone, His Letters produced all the Doctrine for the Church.
His Gospel has produced Christianity for the last 2000 yrs., through the Blood of Jesus.
No other apostle can match "Paul's Labors".
None of them accomplished even 10% of what Paul accomplished, both on earth and as Epistles that created all the Church Doctrine.

This is also reflected in the Torah : the land must enjoy its Sabbath rest,

Why are you talking about the Sabbath day, as if its required to keep it ?

Are you a 7th Day ?

Some people get mixed up about things Paul says--it helps if you read the same stuff he was reading (eg, Torah).

You have no idea what Paul teaches.
Paul teaches that '"Grace through Faith" is the mercy of God extended to a SINNER, that is God's Gift of Salvation that has no works required in it.

The lawful, correct?

Incorrect.

A.) "by the LAW shall NO FLESH be justified in God's Sight".

So you agree that we are justified on that Day due to "bearing fruit", or righteousness, correct?

Never.

We are not justfied by OUR works......we are Justified by FAITH........as Paul Teaches.

"Justification by FAITH". "without works or deeds of the Law".

Righteousness was counted to Abraham and Noah and to all the BELIEVERS In Jesus, based on their Faith.

"without faith, its impossible to please God"..............means that you can't please God or be accepted by God, based on your silly good deeds, and your silly works.

 

[GracePeace]

You need to get a Bible, and do a study of "The Bema Seat"., vs "the Great White Throne Judgement".

There is a resurrection of the Damned, and a resurrection of/for the Just.



You are one of those unfortunate forum members, who can only "cut and paste" who can't learn.




The only people who will face God's Wrath on earth and in eternity are these....

John 3:36.

Look it up.



Yes, you posted that verse, but you dont understand it.

Just do what i told you..

God and study 2 Corin 5:10 and Rev 20:11.

2 Judgements...

= They are not the same thing.......not the same situation.



Being born again is why a CHRISTian has eternal life, already.
To be born again, means that God has forgiven the believer's sin, and has birthed them as 'in Christ"., and that is where Eternal life is found.
Or as JOHN teaches the CHRISTians.......'"you can KNOW that you have eternal life, and this LIFE is IN HIS SON"".



Paul's "labors" produced many churches during His time......and After He was gone, His Letters produced all the Doctrine for the Church.
His Gospel has produced Christianity, through the Blood of Jesus.
No other apostle can match "Paul's Labors".
None of them accomplished even 10% of what Paul accomplished, both on earth and as Epistles that created all the Church Doctrine.



Why are you talking about the Sabbath day, as if its required to keep it ?

Are you a 7th Day ?




You have no idea what Paul teaches.
Paul teaches that '"Grace through Faith" is the mercy of God extended to a SINNER, that is God's Gift of Salvation that has no works required in it.



Incorrect.

A.) "by the LAW shall NO FLESH be justified in God's Sight".




Never.

We are not justfied by OUR works......we are Justified by FAITH........as Paul Teaches.

"Justification by FAITH". "without works or deeds of the Law".

Righteousness was counted to Abraham and Noah and to all the BELIEVERS In Jesus, based on their Faith.

"without faith, its impossible to please God"..............means that you can't please God or be accepted by God, based on your silly good deeds, and your silly works.

I remember our discussions, and how you have no intention of answering issues, so I won't be continuing in wasting my resources on you--I refer everyone to the conversation we've already had here and all other threads where I've discussed issues with you.

 

[GracePeace]

Do board rules allow people to ridicule each other now?

If you want to present an argument against my position, go ahead.

 

[Behold]

I remember our discussions, and how you have no intention of answering issues,

You can't respond to Paul's clear and simple teaching regarding "justification by faith" "without WORKS or deeds of the Law".
And you have no knowledge of JOHN's verse that teaches that "You can KNOW you have eternal life," based on simply believing in God's Son who told YOU that if you do, He'll give you "Eternal life".

And , you have no correct understanding of the REASON that God's Accepts a SINNER and forgives them and gives them "The GIFT of Eternal Life".

You are only interested in trying to prove that you are working your way to heaven, by twisting the same cut and paste verses you post over and over and over. @GracePeace .

Take my advice......stop trying to Earn your way into Heaven, as it can't be done.
Hell is filled with water baptized people who tried to work their way to Heaven.

 

[GracePeace]

You can't respond to Paul's clear and simple teaching regarding "justification by faith" "without WORKS or deeds of the Law".
And you have no knowledge of JOHN's verse that teaches that "You can KNOW you have eternal life," based on simply believing in God's Son who told YOU that if you do, He'll give you "Eternal life".

And , you have no correct understanding of the REASON that God's Accepts a SINNER and forgives them and gives them "The GIFT of Eternal Life".

You are only interested in trying to prove that you are working your way to heaven, by twisting the same cut and paste verses you post over and over and over. @GracePeace .

Take my advice......stop trying to Earn your way into Heaven, as it can't be done.
Hell is filled with water baptized people who tried to work their way to Heaven.

If you really want to help people, including me, petition God that He would give you the grace to actually honor ALL of Scripture, not just your favorite snippets, so that you could actually make a coherent argument, instead of dishonoring/ignoring Scripture so you can just say what ever emptiness you desire to say.

Thanks in advance!

 

[mailmandan]

Mt 7 Narrow is the way that leads to Life and FEW there be who find it.

IOW, BILLIONS of humans will burn in Hell FOREVER!

In John 14:6, Jesus said - "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost. (John 3:15,16,18; 6:40,47; 10:9; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; Romans 3:22-26; 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..) It does not get any more narrow than that.

 

[Behold]

If you really want to help people, including me, petition God that He would give you the grace to actually honor ALL of Scripture,

I help people all over the world, and not just on Forums.

One of the main ways i help real Christians on forums, is ....... i shine Paul's Doctrine and The Cross of Christ on a Heretic on a Forum, and the born again members get to watch how they behave, and learn what they try to use as their twisted verses and opinions and their cult Theology, to deny it.

Also.....answer this question.

Q.) Why is it true that Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved no matter what?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

If you want to present an argument against my position, go ahead.

Board rules allow you to ridicule others?

I'll report your post and we'll see what the mods say.

 

[Behold]

I remember our discussions,

Remember this..

A Christian, a real one, is going to Give Jesus all the Credit for saving them, and keeping them saved.
They are not going to try to take the credit for their Salvation on a "chrisitan forum", by misusing verses that talk about commandment keeping, and water baptism, and self effort.

Listen....God's Salvation........is so very simple.

= A sinner is separated from God.....by their sin.
So, God became a virgin born Man to deal with all their Sin, by dying on The Cross for all their Sin.

A.) "God hath made JESUS.......to be SIN....for us"........as "The one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

Now, this takes care of a Believer's sin........but its not what Saves you.........its only how God eternally forgives you.

Understand?

= THEN....God's Holy Spirit.. ( "God is A Spirit") birth's your spirit into Himself, as born again, "IN Christ" "One with God"... and THIS is when you have literally received "the Gift of Salvation" , "The Gift of Righteousness", and "The Gift of Eternal Life". @GracePeace
This is when you have been made free from sin and have now been "translated from Darkness to Light".
This is what is known as being "BORN ........again"... = spiritually.