The Antichrist ... or just another false prophet

[Dan Clarkston]

Probably a descendant of Ishmael

This would make him NOT a legitimate descendant of Abraham

descendant of Ishmael are not legitimate children of Abraham as you should recall since Abraham's union with his maid was not legitimate before the Lord and was error in Abraham's part.

 

[The Light]

He will most likely be a descendant of Aabraham, Isaac and Jacob. Probably a descendant of Ishmael and or Esau.ie not from the royal line of Judah, and as such under the blessings on Ishmael and Esau. Gen 16.11,12, Gen 25.23, Gen 27.39,40.
As the AC will come from this line, most likely he Muslim, as there seems to be a certain respect lacking from Islam towards women. Secondly, islam doesn't regard the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Ok. I do not disagree.

Now, do you know any Muslims that are former king of the norths?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Now, do you know any Muslims that are former king of the norths?

Maybe there's a couple living at the north pole claiming to be king up there?

Can't get any mo north pole

 

[ewq1938]

And... how do you know the anti-christ isn't going to be a virtual man created by AI that appears to be a real guy but he's only ever seen on screen and never in person?

IMO the AC sounds like a real person in all related passages but the image of the beast certainly could be AI related.

 

[Davy]

The "antichrist", "man of sin", "vile person", "little horn", "the king of fierce countenance", "the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit", the "dragon", "that Wicked", the 7th beast king of Rev.17, the "another beast", "the Assyrian", "king of Tyrus", are all titles for the same person.

And who... does God's Word reveal is that "dragon"?

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV

Rev 20:2
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
KJV

Most brethren are so... wrapped up in their flesh and the material things of this present world, they just cannot 'see' Satan as the coming Antichrist at the end, even when Bible Scripture points directly to Satan with that future event! (Rev.12:7 forward; 2 Thess.2:3-4; Matt.24:23-26; Rev.11:7; etc.)

Did you guys not know the Ezekiel 28 parable about Satan using the title of the "king of Tyrus" shows that God is going to destroy Satan upon this earth? and those on the earth when that happens will see it? Satan has to get here on earth first, literally, for that to be fulfilled.

And if angels can appear on earth with the image of man, then why can't Satan, since God called him but a 'man' also in Isaiah 14? Satan has the image of man too. All the angels do.

Did you not understand Apostle Paul when he showed the type body of the future resurrection is to the "spiritual body", and not to another flesh body?

And if the saints are to inherit the earth, and build houses, and plant vineyards like God said through His prophet Isaiah, then how can they do that with just a "spiritual body"? Yet we will do that without the need of a flesh body. Jesus said in the resurrection they neither marry nor take in marriage, but are as the angels of God in Heaven. Marriage and reproduction is of this present flesh world earth age only.

And per Revelation 12:3-4 about Satan ("red dragon") originally rebelling against God in the old world with having drawn one third of the angels ("stars") to earth with him, how did they do that rebellion on earth, because that Scripture points out that he rebelled using a beast system that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns.

Most brethren simply forget also, that per Genesis 2, God Himself and His Garden of Eden, His River of the Waters of LIfe, and the Tree of Life, were once manifested upon this earth! And God walked in His Garden back then, ON EARTH. God even said that He didn't create the earth in vain (Hebrew word for "without form"), but to be inhabited, to be lived upon (Isaiah 45:18).

When Lord Jesus returns, this present 2nd world earth age of flesh will be destroyed. The heavenly dimension is going to be joined with this earthly dimension we live in today, just as the angels and GOD Himself once inhabited and lived upon this earth before the devil rebelled.

 

[Wish-it]

This would make him NOT a legitimate descendant of Abraham

descendant of Ishmael are not legitimate children of Abraham as you should recall since Abraham's union with his maid was not legitimate before the Lord and was error in Abraham's part.

Is legitimacy and issue? Not sure about that.

 

[Wish-it]

Ok. I do not disagree.

Now, do you know any Muslims that are former king of the norths?

That depends on whether you consider Dan 11 historic, or historic and futuristic, which i do. In fact I'd day lean far more to futuristic than historic. So no, dont know are former KoNs, but consider thru Dan 11. That there will possibly be 3 KoNs in the future. One at Dan 11.6, a replacement at Dan 11.20, and the final one at Dan 11.21. My picks, still under development, the first king of Babylon, (Islamic) the second - still considering, the final one, king of Assyria.

 

[Douggg]

The "antichrist", "man of sin", "vile person", "little horn", "the king of fierce countenance", "the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit", the "dragon", "that Wicked", the 7th beast king of Rev.17, the "another beast", "the Assyrian", "king of Tyrus", are all titles for the same person.

Hi Davy,

Not all titles for the same person.

There will be three main arch villains that will be dwelt with at Jesus's return.

1. the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin/beast- king person.
To be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20.

2. the false prophet person.
To be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20.

3. Satan, the dragon, the king of Tyrus (code name)
To be cast into the bottomless pit, Revelation 20:1-3.

 

[The Light]

That depends on whether you consider Dan 11 historic, or historic and futuristic, which i do. In fact I'd day lean far more to futuristic than historic. So no, dont know are former KoNs, but consider thru Dan 11. That there will possibly be 3 KoNs in the future. One at Dan 11.6, a replacement at Dan 11.20, and the final one at Dan 11.21. My picks, still under development, the first king of Babylon, (Islamic) the second - still considering, the final one, king of Assyria.

I see things more like this. There are 8 kings. Six have already occurred. The 7th king will only be in power a short time. This will be a former king of the north who will be the rider on the white horse and is likely a Muslim. He is given the stephanos crown which I believe means he will be the Secretary General of the UN.

He will give his power to the 8th king who is the king of Babylon AND the Assyrian. The 8th king is Nimrod which we can prove by Isaiah 14.

 

[Douggg]

He will give his power to the 8th king who is the king of Babylon AND the Assyrian. The 8th king is Nimrod which we can prove by Isaiah 14.

Nimrod was the great grandson of Noah. Long gone.

Isaiah 14 does not mention Nimrod.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

IMO the AC sounds like a real person

I'd think so too.... but, with AI it can easily be made to look like it actually IS a real person.

Is legitimacy and issue? Not sure about that.

That's what untold millions claim about God's Word.... claiming it's not legit and it doesn't matter.

They follow their favorite religious organization and religious teaches and refuse to allow what God says in His Word to get in the way of what they believe

 

[Wish-it]

I see things more like this. There are 8 kings. Six have already occurred. The 7th king will only be in power a short time. This will be a former king of the north who will be the rider on the white horse and is likely a Muslim. He is given the stephanos crown which I believe means he will be the Secretary General of the UN.

He will give his power to the 8th king who is the king of Babylon AND the Assyrian. The 8th king is Nimrod which we can prove by Isaiah 14.

I see things more like this. There are 8 kings. Six have already occurred. The 7th king will only be in power a short time. This will be a former king of the north who will be the rider on the white horse and is likely a Muslim. He is given the stephanos crown which I believe means he will be the Secretary General of the UN.

He will give his power to the 8th king who is the king of Babylon AND the Assyrian. The 8th king is Nimrod which we can prove by Isaiah 14.

I dont put a lot of emphasis on UN etc. I think we've a way to go before Rev 17.
I see Isaiah 14, more a type of Satan than Nimrod. We have very little info on Nimrod. I agree that the seven heads of Rev 17 refers to the original 10 from Dan 7.24 less the three, plus the little horn being the eight. He belongs to the seven and is going to destruction..

 

[Wish-it]

Hi Davy,

Not all titles for the same person.

There will be three main arch villains that will be dwelt with at Jesus's return.

1. the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin/beast- king person.
To be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20.

2. the false prophet person.
To be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20.

3. Satan, the dragon, the king of Tyrus (code name)
To be cast into the bottomless pit, Revelation 20:1-3.

I'd think so too.... but, with AI it can easily be made to look like it actually IS a real person.






That's what untold millions claim about God's Word.... claiming it's not legit and it doesn't matter.

They follow their favorite religious organization and religious teaches and refuse to allow what God says in His Word to get in the way of what they believe.

I'd think so too.... but, with AI it can easily be made to look like it actually IS a real person.






That's what untold millions claim about God's Word.... claiming it's not legit and it doesn't matter.

They follow their favorite religious organization and religious teaches and refuse to allow what God says in His Word to get in the way of what they believe

How does your last comment relate to Abraham's offspring?

 

[Davy]

Hi Davy,

Not all titles for the same person.

You just don't know it yet, but all those titles in Bible Scripture are about the same false one coming at the end of this world to play The Christ. And the Book of Revelation gives more clues pointing that false one will be the devil himself, the "dragon", Satan.

The stuff that some wrongly preach about Satan, thinking that Satan can only work behind someone in the flesh, like he influenced Peter, or like with some occult possession of a flesh person, like some Hollywood horror show, is a BIG JOKE!

Satan can manifest as himself with the image of man upon this earth, in OUR earthly dimension, just as Lord Jesus was still able to manifest on earth after... His being quickened to a Spirit. Even in Genesis 18 Jesus appeared to Abraham WITHOUT a flesh body.

So those men who created the LIE that the coming Antichrist must be some FLESH man claim that because they are DECEIVED, and do not understand God's creation of the two separate dimensions of existence.

There will be three main arch villains that will be dwelt with at Jesus's return.

1. the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin/beast- king person.
To be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20.

NO. Only the 'beast' and 'false prophet' are cast into the "lake of fire" on the day of Christ's 2nd coming per Rev.19:20. You need to read the Scriptures more carefully.

Men's FALSE doctrines WRONGLY assign the "false prophet" of Rev.16:13 as the "another beast" of Rev.13:11. Not so. The "another beast" represents the beast king role that Satan (as the Antichrist) will play. There is NO mention of the "false prophet" in that Revelation 13 Chapter.

2. the false prophet person.
To be cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20.

Again NOPE! The "false prophet" of Rev.16:13 and Rev.19:20 is a ROLE that Satan will also play. Lord Jesus was a Prophet, like Moses said. Likewise, Satan will fulfill the role of false prophet also.

And one of the main REASONS is, NO FLESH-BORN PERSON IS JUDGED AND SENTENCED TO PERISH IN THE LAKE OF FIRE UNTIL AFTER... GOD'S GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS... THE ABODE OF HELL AND DEATH AND ALL... THE WICKED ARE DESTROYED. AND THAT DESTRUCTION DOES NOT HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER... THE 1,000 YEARS REIGN BY CHRIST WHEN SATAN WILL BE LOOSED OUT OF HIS PIT PRISON ONE FINAL TIME TO GO TEMPT THE UNSAVED NATIONS TO COME UP AGAINST THE "CAMP OF THE SAINTS" ON EARTH.

In other words, IF... the 'beast' and 'false prophet' represent actual flesh-born men, then no way should they be cast into the "lake of fire" PRIOR to the Judgment for all flesh-born that ONLY will happen after the 1,000 years.

Likewise, with the "beast" title, it is applied TWO WAYS per Bible Scripture, one about the beast king (i.e., the "another beast"), and the beast kingdom (the Rev.13:1 ten horns, seven heads, ten crowns). Both of those are ROLES for the end of this present world. Satan will play that 'beast king' ROLE also that will be destroyed by Jesus at His coming. This is why Rev.17 shows the beast king ascending from the bottomless pit and goes into perdition, which is a DIRECT POINTER TO SATAN HIMSELF.

3. Satan, the dragon, the king of Tyrus (code name)
To be cast into the bottomless pit, Revelation 20:1-3.

That's the only point here you got correct.

 

[Douggg]

NO. Only the 'beast' and 'false prophet' are cast into the "lake of fire" on the day of Christ's 2nd coming per Rev.19:20. You need to read the Scriptures more carefully.

Davy, I think you misunderstood what I wrote.


the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin/beast-king

is just one person. As the beast, he will be cast into the lake of fire, in Revelation 19:20, agreed.

 

[Douggg]

And one of the main REASONS is, NO FLESH-BORN PERSON IS JUDGED AND SENTENCED TO PERISH IN THE LAKE OF FIRE UNTIL AFTER... GOD'S GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT.

Davy, the beast and the false prophet will be two human beings that will be cast into the lake of fire when Jesus returns in Revelation 19:20.

A thousand years later, Satan will also be cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and false prophet will have already been for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Davy]

Davy, I think you misunderstood what I wrote.

I definitely did not misunderstand you. You simply made the common mistake many make with assuming the ROLES of the 'beast' and 'false prophet' are about flesh men when they actually only represent ROLES that Satan will play. What I'm showing you goes so far away from the doctrines of men baloney you've been fed, that it's probably impossible now for you to read the actual Bible Scripture that reveals what I'm showing you.

the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin/beast-king

is just one person. As the beast, he will be cast into the lake of fire, in Revelation 19:20, agreed.

Those TITLES AS ROLES the "dragon" will play are cast into the "lake of fire" on the day of Christ's return, per Rev.19:20, but NOT Satan, the "dragon", himself.

You ever watch TV or a movie? Don't you understand the idea of a CHARACTER ROLE?

A ROLE is just a character that someone plays. Likewise Satan is going to play all those ROLES, including that of the "false prophet" and the "beast" king of Rev.17, and "another beast" of Rev.13.

 

[Davy]

Davy, the beast and the false prophet will be two human beings that will be cast into the lake of fire when Jesus returns in Revelation 19:20.

The beast and false prophet WILL NOT BE TWO HUMAN BEINGS. THEY ARE ROLES IN A CHARACTER PLAY ONLY. And Satan will play BOTH of them.

 

[Douggg]

The beast and false prophet WILL NOT BE TWO HUMAN BEINGS. THEY ARE ROLES IN A CHARACTER PLAY ONLY. And Satan will play BOTH of them.

Davy, the beast and false prophet are not roles played by Satan. They are three different individuals - the beast, the false prophet, Satan.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

 

[ewq1938]

Davy, the beast and the false prophet will be two human beings

The ten horned beast is called a kingdom in Daniel so it is still a kingdom in Rev 13.