Equally Debatable--BY DESIGN: God, Kirk - thus says the Lord!

[ScottA]

"Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them.” Isaiah 42:9

"I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;" Deuteronomy 30:19

"I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

The present day events involving Charlie Kirk have a similarity to the method that God has done throughout the whole earth and all of time. Intentionally debatable. I mean--that is God's method. And now it is presented to us--globally--and we too must choose.

With the Charlie Kirk situation, the coverage is not unlike the assassination attempt on President Trump in Butler, PA, The story is either believable or full of holes and not believable. Even debatable. Some say the news is correct. Some say certain things about the media or FBI narrative are impossible: the angle of the shot, what should be the entry wound looks like an exit wound, and the rifle in the pants, then assembled, then disassembled, then reassembled--Oh boy--yeah, that sounds right! Etc., etc.

And the scriptures, debatable? Yes, we here are proof. But why--are they not written? Why would any child of God not just believe and follow--and Christians, especially those born again of the spirit of God--what debate can there possibly be among those of the same Spirit? That is a rhetorical question--don't answer--the proof that what comes from God being debatable is already quite enough.

But no, this is a statement--and you who require more proof pay attention: These current events are God again setting before us "life and death, blessing and cursing"--showing us "before they spring forth"--what is coming. Judgement, jubilee, terrors, and revelation--coming to a city near you...as far as the east is to the west.

If you would like to discuss it...we can. But really, this is a Word--that you may know that God is not making good on what you may have believed, but on what was promised and foretold. Rest in the Lord.

 

[quietthinker]

There is the right and there is the left.
Which of those two trumpet 'responsibility'?
Which of those two have an image to uphold? .....and what does that image look like?

In Jesus time, who we lump into any perceived image?

 

[Randy Kluth]

What are you talking about? Could you be more specific? Are you saying that world events are clearly God's warning, even though many may doubt the connection of them with God?

 

[quietthinker]

What are you talking about? Could you be more specific? Are you saying that world events are clearly God's warning, even though many may doubt the connection of them with God?

No, I'm not taking about that.
Let's take the Religious Leaders in Jesus day; which do you think they'd fit into, the right or the left? (as we would describe the political foray today?)

 

[ScottA]

There is the right and there is the left.
Which of those two trumpet 'responsibility'?
Which of those two have an image to uphold? .....and what does that image look like?

In Jesus time, who we lump into any perceived image?

The image was and is: Things are not what they seem. The accusers and the arrogant who thought/think they hold the high ground, didn't then and don't now.

 

[ScottA]

What are you talking about? Could you be more specific? Are you saying that world events are clearly God's warning, even though many may doubt the connection of them with God?

What is unfolding on earth is as in heaven--that's the prayer of Christ, but it is as with a sword. Current events, even, and especially regarding Kirk, is just the beginning. Secrets, covert secrets are about to be undone, exposed. The Trump assassination attempt and the Kirk assassination, are a show of misinformation on a stage--to educate, to divide, to cause suspicion, mistrust--to make a way for exposing the truth in other areas. Which is a tactic that God has been doing all along--it's all leading up to full disclosure--on both fronts.

 

[ScottA]

Every truth is debatable: Truth in government--in the world, what is right and what is wrong, what is left and what is right. Even all the world. Is it created, evolved, thousands of years old, or millions? Even the scriptures. Are we not the epitome of that debatable reality today--at the boiling point?

What then--is it therefore by design--or is there no God?

It is indeed by design. And when the world is at a crossroads--God is there. Hold onto your hat--things are getting curiously tragic, while we attempt to be comfortable. God is good. Even so, Jesus gave this warning for a similar reason: "Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation."

 

[Randy Kluth]

Let's take the Religious Leaders in Jesus day; which do you think they'd fit into, the right or the left? (as we would describe the political foray today?)

Right and Left are relative terms--it depends on the Center we begin with. Those who held strongly to the Law among the Pharisees would be on the Right. But they were hypocrites, just like those on the Political Right in our day who do things contrary to what they expect of others.

 

[ScottA]

Right and Left are relative terms--it depends on the Center we begin with. Those who held strongly to the Law among the Pharisees would be on the Right. But they were hypocrites, just like those on the Political Right in our day who do things contrary to what they expect of others.

Oh Randy...you are in for a big surprise!

That is not the way to compare. It's now right and left, but then it was not--it was elite against the common. But that doesn't work today either. It's always been good against evil--the Priests and Pharisees were sons of their father Satan. The same is true now.

 

[Randy Kluth]

What is unfolding on earth is as in heaven--that's the prayer of Christ, but it is as with a sword. Current events, even, and especially regarding Kirk, is just the beginning. Secrets, covert secrets are about to be undone, exposed. The Trump assassination attempt and the Kirk assassination, are a show of misinformation on a stage--to educate, to divide, to cause suspicion, mistrust--to make a way for exposing the truth in other areas. Which is a tactic that God has been doing all along--it's all leading up to full disclosure--on both fronts.

Sounds a bit ambiguous and an attempt to be prophetic. However, I do agree that these assassinations have been designed not just against the Political Right but also against the Christian standards they represent. After all, some of the serious violence we've been seeing has been done by angry transexuals, who hate those who present a religious view condemning homosexuality.

It is pretty cut and dried to me and somewhat predictable. The Mainstream Media covers up these facts, in order to defend the immoral lifestyle, and this explains why it seems indecipherable for some. But listen to Newsmax, and you're bound to hear the necessary angles to understand what's going on.

I do agree with you that God is behind it all--not doing the evil, but guiding it to its inexorable judgment. The issues being driven by Leftists and Socialists are indeed forcing people to "come out of the closet" and decide what side they are on. You either want freedom to live the Christian life, or you want government to decide what's fair for all.

It is costly, at this point, to make public affirmations of your belief in Christianity, if indeed you're willing to state your political opposition to Leftists. A number of pastors are afraid to offend anybody in their congregation who is a Democrat.

When we confess Jesus as Lord, we should know that in doing so we're joining Jesus in his condemnation of the sinful world. When we offer Salvation to the world, they should know we're requiring of them that they give up their sins and follow the word and Spirit of the Lord every day. Like the tattered man on the corner warns, "Repent, the end is at hand!" ;)

 

[Randy Kluth]

Oh Randy...you are in for a big surprise!

That is not the way to compare. It's now right and left, but then it was not--it was elite against the common. But that doesn't work today either. It's always been good against evil--the Priests and Pharisees were sons of their father Satan. The same is true now.

I'm not that easily surprised, brother. It's still elite against the common. That will not change until Jesus comes back. Communists pretend to be the party of the worker--they're not. The Communists are an elite Party that runs like a dictatorial government deciding, in place of God, what is right or wrong for the people.

In the West, democracies are run by prime ministers, presidents, and legislative bodies--again, an elite. And they are "elected," so to speak, by lobbyists for big, powerful, wealthy companies--again, an elite.

There is a reason Hollywood, Atheltics, Public and Advanced Education, and Politics are all in it together--that's where the money is. Follow the money, and there will be the "elite." And they will control elections, judicial decisions, the military, etc. Where is the "surprise?"

 

[ScottA]

Sounds a bit ambiguous and an attempt to be prophetic.

Let me make this perfectly clear (I thought I already had). This thread is an intentional statement--thus says the Lord--that it can be known that there is a God who is still downing things His Way. So, prophet testers, test away--God will not be mocked.

 

[ScottA]

I'm not that easily surprised, brother. It's still elite against the common. That will not change until Jesus comes back. Communists pretend to be the party of the worker--they're not. The Communists are an elite Party that runs like a dictatorial government deciding, in place of God, what is right or wrong for the people.

In the West, democracies are run by prime ministers, presidents, and legislative bodies--again, an elite. And they are "elected," so to speak, by lobbyists for big, powerful, wealthy companies--again, an elite.

There is a reason Hollywood, Atheltics, Public and Advanced Education, and Politics are all in it together--that's where the money is. Follow the money, and there will be the "elite." And they will control elections, judicial decisions, the military, etc. Where is the "surprise?"

The surprise is, dictators dictate publicly, and that is not what has been happening. "Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."

 

[quietthinker]

The image was and is: Things are not what they seem. The accusers and the arrogant who thought/think they hold the high ground, didn't then and don't now.

C'mon, let's see if you can nail it. Which side did the religious professionals belong to in Jesus day; the left or the right?

 

[ScottA]

C'mon, let's see if you can nail it. Which side did the religious professionals belong to in Jesus day; the left or the right?

The mammon side.

But it would be a mistake to misunderstand who that actually speaks of now.

 

[quietthinker]

The mammon side.

But it would be a mistake to misunderstand who that actually speaks of now.

The principles are the same; those of coercion, of self glorification, of me, me, me.

 

[ScottA]

The principles are the same; those of coercion, of self glorification, of me, me, me.

Care to put some names to that?

 

[quietthinker]

Care to put some names to that?

you don't understand what those adjectives mean?

 

[ScottA]

you don't understand what those adjectives mean?

I do, but why be so coy?

The reason I ask is the point of the thread-- That who one might name, or who another might name...both are debatably true or false. Because--because things are not always what they seem. In fact, that is the hustle, the lie, of the great accuser.

And it is being used against him--by God also.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Right and Left are relative terms--it depends on the Center we begin with. Those who held strongly to the Law among the Pharisees would be on the Right. But they were hypocrites, just like those on the Political Right in our day who do things contrary to what they expect of others.

I would think that the Pharisees were more like the Socialist Left are. for they did not like freedom of speech, like Jesus getting about as so ! and so we can see that they came the same tactics as the Socialist Left do ! for they had it in the Bag ! They were calling all of the shots and hounding anyone who questions them in fact ! and intent of killing them !

The Right has it's evil Mobs within like RINO's They are Political Rats playing the Game only for themselves ! Socialist are within the Right Wing as well !

Australia had a PM who crept in to the major Right Wing Party as the Left Wing rejected him in their Major Party ! but this Satanist was a product of the schooling of the Jesuits ! he stole millions in a scam, undermined many people in the USA and got away with it all ! thanks to the MS Media ! for they could of so easy exposed him for his Mob who clearly take the People for a ride, but They all lost their homes in the scam !
Then our PM M Turnbull bought his way into the Major right wing Party and the MS Media totaly loved him ! he could do no wrong in regards the media ! just like Obama and Biden ! Idolise totaly by the MS Media ! but with This Turncoat he was Malice intent undermining good people within the Party setting them up with a bag of dirty cunning tricks ! and life long Conservative Party members were jumping ship in droves ! Not that the Media pointed ant such out ! they just acted dumb saying what is going on ?
Well the Turncoat PM got kicked out by the Party ! and it was then that all could see that he was a Socialist Devil for sure 100% with all of his rantings and outright malice towards the Party ! He tryed to keep the Name of the Party but change the Spots of the Party ! and thought no one would wake up that it was in fact a different type of Dog ! Much like how the USA Democrat Party was stolen by the Socialist in fact and how many People woke up to the fact ! that it is not a Democrat Party anymore at all, but only a Socialist Party that stole it all Right under the nose of the People in fact, clearly due to the MS Media !

Communist play delusion games and change words around, so Democratic becomes another word for Socialism !
We can see such calling themselves The Democratic Communist Republic of X, Y, Z !
Communist have clearly stolen the word for Democratic in fact !

So when heard Biden or Obama say he was fighting for Democratic values ? they were truly in fact saying they were fighting for Socialist values ! Anti-Christ Communist Values in fact tot be sure to be sure ! That's what the deceptions they were truly outright sowing !

I can clearly see it all ! and I am not a supporter of far right greed driven A wipes who love to kick good working people around. I have seen such people as that are around who will kick you down just for the hell of it ! with no regard at all !