Proof there is only a single Day of Judgment at the end of the world on the Day appointed and that Judge is Christ

[Scott Downey]

Oh, so now God's written Word is just apocalyptic POETRY and not actual prophecy about REAL LITERAL EVENTS THAT HE SHOWED WILL COME TO PASS AS WRITTEN?

NOW... I really KNOW what side of the fence you are coming from, i.e,. the side that follows the children of darkness and what they... say. You are a HERETIC, and I have nothing more to say to you.

Isa 42:9
9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
KJV

You need to look at your own self in the mirror.

 

[Scott Downey]

You are only MAKING UP LIES because God has NOT SHOWN YOU HIS WORD that I have covered for you. That's why you have to resort to men's doctrines, because God has not shown you the simplicity of those Bible Scriptures I referenced. So stay deceived, since that's apparently what you want.

You have been shown the truth by at least 10 people on several forums over many threads, yet you continually rejected it. After a while people ignore you. And you have few compatriots here that have joined in on your delusions.

 

[ewq1938]

They clearly do.
If they do not, then when are we glorified?

The passage says he is glorified not us.

 

[jeffweeder]

The passage says he is glorified not us.

That is vague.

You actually quoted a question I asked you, but you didn't answer it.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes, it is. Those events do not occur at the second coming. The GWTJ is not held on Earth nor Heaven but a place away from them which means Jesus will "come" there with his angels to be at that judgment which means he would have a coming to that location. It is not the second coming because that would ahve already happened plus the SC is only from heaven to the Earth as was rthe same with the first coming. Coming to a different place would be it's own unique coming unrelated to the other well know two comings.






No, they are not sentenced at that time. The rule over the nations has to happen after the events of Rev 19 according to the Greek language/verb tense used.

Matthew 25 and the GWT judgment are one and the same event.

And this happens on the Last Day
Christ comes and judges the world in righteousness, according to the gospel.

The WORD discovers our condition, HE is the judge. The WORD is Christ, He is the WORD of the FATHER

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

2 Timothy 4
I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

Acts 17
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

Romans 2
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your [a]impenitent heart you are [b]treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the [c]Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

Rev 20

The Great White Throne Judgment​

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

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And yes the world and heaven flee away at the judgment. The focus of all things is now the Day of judgement.
And this happens on the Last Day at the return of Christ.

The resurrection of all and then the judgement, are tied together on the same Last Day by the WORD of the FATHER, the Christ of God.

Just as Jesus says right here

Honor the Father and the Son​

16 For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, [d]and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath. 17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”

18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. 19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Life and Judgment Are Through the Son​

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. 25 Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, 27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

The WORD discovers our condition, HE is the judge. The WORD is Christ, He is the WORD of the FATHER

John 12
42 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

44 Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. 45 And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. 46 I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if anyone hears My words and does not [g]believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

 

[Scott Downey]

The above is what the WORD says, you can either choose to believe this or go your own way.

Joshua 24:15
And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Joshua 11:20
For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that He might utterly destroy them, and that they might receive no mercy, but that He might destroy them, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

 

[ewq1938]

That is vague.

No, it is not vague. Here it is:

2Th_1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

That is not us being glorified. You have been reading it wrong.

 

[jeffweeder]

No, it is not vague. Here it is:

2Th_1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

That is not us being glorified. You have been reading it wrong.

Still didn't answer my question = when are we glorified?

Hint,

Phil 3
20 But [we are different, because] our citizenship is in heaven. And from there we eagerly await [the coming of] the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21 who, by exerting that power which enables Him even to subject everything to Himself, will [not only] transform [but completely refashion] our earthly bodies so that they will be like His glorious resurrected body.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, we are [even here and] now children of God, and it is not yet made clear what we will be [after His coming]. We know that when He comes and is revealed, we will [as His children] be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is [in all His glory].

 

[ewq1938]

Still didn't answer my question = when are we glorified?

If I were you I'd be a lot more concerned that I so badly misread 2Th_1:10 rather than continue to pursue a question based on that misreading.

Does it say we are glorified or that Christ is glorified?

 

[jeffweeder]

If I were you I'd be a lot more concerned that I so badly misread 2Th_1:10 rather than continue to pursue a question based on that misreading.

I was obviously. Why else would go to the trouble of proving it is talking about Jesus being glorified in us, his body.
You do believe we are glorified at some point, right?
Having a body like his glorious body is our bodily change in the twinkling of an eye at his appearing ' coming.

Does it say we are glorified or that Christ is glorified?

How is Jesus glorified more than what he is now?
Answer is because the redeemed are now glorified at his coming.

Phil 3
20 But [we are different, because] our citizenship is in heaven. And from there we eagerly await [the coming of] the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21 who, by exerting that power which enables Him even to subject everything to Himself, will [not only] transform [but completely refashion] our earthly bodies so that they will be like His glorious resurrected body.



We will be Glorious when mortality puts on immortality at the Glorious appearing of the Father in Jesus.


Matt 16
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory and majesty of His Father with His angels, and then He will repay each one in accordance with what he has done.




1 John 3:2
Beloved, we are [even here and] now children of God, and it is not yet made clear what we will be [after His coming]. We know that when He comes and is revealed, we will [as His children] be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is [in all His glory].

 

[ewq1938]

I was obviously.

Does 2Th_1:10 say we are glorified or that Christ is glorified?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Certainly I accept what my Lord Jesus said in the above Matthew 25 Scripture, but I ALSO ACCEPT what He said here, which YOU do not...

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

It will be the "kingdoms of this world" that will become the Kingdom of The LORD when Jesus returns. What does that tell you about the 'nations' AFTER Christ's return? They will STILL exist, and some of them, like Egypt, Iran, etc., still REJECT Jesus Christ today. That's who Jesus was pointing to that will still be rebellious AFTER His return to Jerusalem per that Zechariah 14:16-19 Scripture.

Rev 20:1-3
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
KJV

Just those above 3 little verses are enough that reveals not all the unsaved nations are destroyed on the day of Christ's future coming. Reason is because there would not be any of them subject to Satan's deceptions AFTER he is loosed to go tempt them AFTER that future "thousand years" reign by Jesus Christ and His elect.

BOTH of those Revelation Scriptures were given by Lord Jesus Christ through His Apostle John AFTER He had said those things in Matthew 25 during His Ministry while He was still alive. And the above Zechariah 14 Scripture is a timeline view FUTURE-FORWARD to that time of those above Revelation 11 and 20 Scriptures.

Thus YOU... need to UPDATE your Bible understanding according to the timelines which Lord Jesus Christ gave in His Word, and stop leaving out the Old Testament prophets like men's false doctrines are teaching you to do.

If you accept what is written in Matthew 25:31-46, then how about explaining how you reconcile your Premil belief with what is written there. That passage talks about two different destinies for all people when Jesus comes with His angels to judge everyone. The sheep (the righteous) inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world at that time while the goats ("ye cursed" - unbelievers) are cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. With that being the case, where do the mortals come from that you think will be on the earth at that point? Neither the sheep nor the goats will be mortals living on the earth after the judgment takes place.

 

[jeffweeder]

Does 2Th_1:10 say we are glorified or that Christ is glorified?

Again, he is Glorified in his saints. The breaking news for you is.... that makes us Glorified, having a body like his own Glorious body he can and will marry.

Amen

 

[Scott Downey]

If I were you I'd be a lot more concerned that I so badly misread 2Th_1:10 rather than continue to pursue a question based on that misreading.

Does it say we are glorified or that Christ is glorified?

Romans 8:30
Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Romans 8:16-18

New King James Version

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16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

From Suffering to Glory​

18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of [f]corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

 

[Scott Downey]

Colossians 3
New King James Version

1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

 

[Scott Downey]

Hebrews 2:10-11

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,

1 Peter 5

The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: 2 Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but [a]willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly; 3 nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock; 4 and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away.

2 Thessalonians 2:13-15
New King James Version

13 But we are [a]bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our [c]epistle.

 

[Scott Downey]

2 timothy 2

8 Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel, 9 for which I suffer trouble as an evildoer, even to the point of chains; but the word of God is not chained. 10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the [c]elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 4:16-18
New King James Version

16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day. 17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, 18 while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

1 Corinthians 2:6-8
New King James Version

6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God [a]ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

 

[Scott Downey]

1 Corinthians 15:42-44
New King James Version
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Romans 2
Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But in accordance with your hardness and your [a]impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the [c]Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

Romans 9:22-24
New King James Version
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

John 17
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [j]will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

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As you can read about our being glorified, this is the plan and purpose of God.

 

[ewq1938]

Again, he is Glorified in his saints. The breaking news for you is.... that makes us Glorified, having a body like his own Glorious body he can and will marry.

Amen

No, he being glorified in his saints does not mean the saints are being physically glorified.

 

[jeffweeder]

No, he being glorified in his saints does not mean the saints are being physically glorified.

Phil 3
20 But [we are different, because] our citizenship is in heaven.
And from there we eagerly await [the coming of] the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; 21 who, by exerting that power which enables Him even to subject everything to Himself, will [not only] transform [but completely refashion] our earthly bodies so that they will be like His glorious resurrected body.