Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

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Jerusalem was also known for the seven hills which it sat upon from antiquity, long before Rome became established on its own set of seven hills as a city on the Tiber.
It makes no sense to take the seven hills or mountains literally. The symbolic woman doesn't sit on literal things. She sits on many waters (Rev 17:1), which represent "peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues" (Rev 17:15). And she sits on a scarlet colored beast with seven heads and ten horns (Rev 17:3). With that being the case, why would you think that she sits on seven literal hills/mountains? In scripture, mountains symbolically represent kingdoms.
 
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It would make no sense. Who would be the 5 kings in Rev 17 before Domitian? And what catastrophic events happened soon after 81 in Judea that would correspond with the content of the book?
When Was the Book of Revelation Written?
By Wayne Jackson

Traditionally, the book of Revelation has been dated near the end of the first century, around A.D. 96. Some writers, however, have advanced the preterist (from a Latin word meaning “that which is past”) view, contending that the Apocalypse was penned around A.D. 68 or 69, and thus the thrust of the book is supposed to relate to the impending destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70).

A few prominent names have been associated with this position (e.g., Stuart, Schaff, Lightfoot, Foy E. Wallace Jr.), and for a brief time it was popular with certain scholars. James Orr has observed, however, that recent criticism has reverted to the traditional date of near A.D. 96 (1939, 2584). In fact, the evidence for the later date is extremely strong.

In view of some of the bizarre theories that have surfaced in recent times (e.g., the notion that all end-time prophecies were fulfilled with the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70), which are dependent upon the preterist interpretation, we offer the following.

External Evidence
The external evidence for the late dating of Revelation is of the highest quality.

Irenaeus
Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation.

Clement of Alexandria
Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical History III.23).

Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.” Within this narrative, Clement further speaks of John as an “old man.” If Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, it would scarcely seem appropriate to refer to John as an old man, since he would only have been in his early sixties at this time.

Victorinus
Victorinus (late third century), author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote:

When John said these things, he was in the island of Patmos, condemned to the mines by Caesar Domitian. There he saw the Apocalypse; and when at length grown old, he thought that he should receive his release by suffering; but Domitian being killed, he was liberated (Commentary on Revelation 10:11).

Jerome
Jerome (A.D. 340-420) said,

In the fourteenth then after Nero, Domitian having raised up a second persecution, he [John] was banished to the island of Patmos, and wrote the Apocalypse (Lives of Illustrious Men 9).

To all of this may be added the comment of Eusebius, who contends that the historical tradition of his time (A.D. 324) placed the writing of the Apocalypse at the close of Domitian’s reign (III.18). McClintock and Strong, in contending for the later date, declare that “there is no mention in any writer of the first three centuries of any other time or place” (1969, 1064). Upon the basis of external evidence, therefore, there is little contest between the earlier and later dates.

Internal Evidence
The contents of the book of Revelation also suggest a late date, as the following observations indicate.

The spiritual conditions of the churches described in Revelation chapters two and three more readily harmonize with the late date.

The church in Ephesus, for instance, was not founded by Paul until the latter part of Claudius’s reign: and when he wrote to them from Rome, A.D. 61, instead of reproving them for any want of love, he commends their love and faith (Eph. 1:15) (Horne 1841, 382).

Yet, when Revelation was written, in spite of the fact that the Ephesians had been patient (2:2), they had also left their first love (v. 4), and this would seem to require a greater length of time than seven or eight years, as suggested by the early date.

Another internal evidence of a late date is that this book was penned while John was banished to Patmos (1:9). It is well known that Domitian had a fondness for this type of persecution. If, however, this persecution is dated in the time of Nero, how does one account for the fact that Peter and Paul are murdered, yet John is only exiled to an island? (Eusebius III.18; II.25).

Then consider this fact. The church at Laodicea is represented as existing under conditions of great wealth. She was rich and had need of nothing (3:17). In A.D. 60, though, Laodicea had been almost entirely destroyed by an earthquake. Surely it would have required more than eight or nine years for that city to have risen again to the state of affluence described in Revelation.

The doctrinal departures described in Revelation would appear to better fit the later dating. For example, the Nicolaitans (2:6, 15) were a full-fledged sect at the time of John’s writing, whereas they had only been hinted at in general terms in 2 Peter and Jude, which were written possibly around A.D. 65-66.

Persecution for professing the Christian faith is evidenced in those early letters to the seven churches of Asia Minor. For instance, Antipas had been killed in Pergamum (2:13). It is generally agreed among scholars, however, that Nero’s persecution was mostly confined to Rome; further, it was not for religious reasons (Harrison 1964, 446).
 
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He taught the sudden destruction of this world will never happen as it already did in 70 ad
Your claim above is 100% False, just more reformed preterist theology for the waste basket

The sudden destruction of the world in (The Day Of The Lord) is future unfulfilled as seen below

2 Peter 3:10-13KJC
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 

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On the day of Pentecost did Christ come to them through His Spirit?

Christ in sending them out to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, instructed them to preach, saying "The Kingdom of heaven is at hand." The message they were sent out to proclaim does not speak of the second coming of Christ that will come on the last day. They and we are instructed to proclaim the gospel of the Kingdom of God that Christ has come with. They and every disciple after them are to go out unto all the nations of the earth showing telling all that hear them the way that all who receive the gospel might know and enter the spiritual Kingdom of God when they are born again, and receive everlasting life through Him.

Matthew 10:5-7 (KJV) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 10:20 (KJV) For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

The message the twelve disciples were given to proclaim did not reach all the cities of Israel before the Son of man, through His Spirit had come into them. While Christ was alive, through His power He kept them, but after He departed from this world, they would need and receive power from on high through the Spirit He would send to them. In this way the message through the gospel of the Kingdom of God would grow exponentially and finally be complete when the Son of man shall come again after the Kingdom of God in heaven is complete.

John 15:26-27 (KJV) But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that when Jesus said ‘the Son of Man shall be come,’ He meant coming through the Spirit rather than a visible return. If so, I don’t see the justification for that in the rest of your post. Could you point specifically to what shows Matthew 10:23 refers to the Holy Spirit rather than the Son of Man?
 

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It makes no sense to take the seven hills or mountains literally. The symbolic woman doesn't sit on literal things. She sits on many waters (Rev 17:1), which represent "peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues" (Rev 17:15). And she sits on a scarlet colored beast with seven heads and ten horns (Rev 17:3). With that being the case, why would you think that she sits on seven literal hills/mountains? In scripture, mountains symbolically represent kingdoms.
Of course it makes sense, the angel interprets the symbolic into the literal, just as the seven heads are seven literal mountains, the same applies to ten horns being ten literal kings on earth

The heads and horns are symbolic, the mountains and kings are literal, it's that simple before your eyes

Revelation 17:9-14KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
 

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If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that when Jesus said ‘the Son of Man shall be come,’ He meant coming through the Spirit rather than a visible return. If so, I don’t see the justification for that in the rest of your post. Could you point specifically to what shows Matthew 10:23 refers to the Holy Spirit rather than the Son of Man?
Oh that's an easy one
John 14

Jesus Promises Another Helper​

15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
 

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Of course it makes sense,
Yes, of course it makes sense to a hyper-literalist like you, but where is the consistency in the symbolic woman sitting on symbolic things in Revelation 17 verses 1 and 3, but then somehow sitting on something literal in verse 9? There is no consistency in that. Do you care about that? Of course you don't. But, I do.

And, congratulations on taking it literally as seven mountains (or hills) just like the preterists do. I guess I should call you a preterist then.
 

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Oh that's an easy one
John 14

Jesus Promises Another Helper​

15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
Yep. It's quite clear. In direct relation to the Holy Spirit coming to abide in them, Jesus said "I will come to you". The Holy Spirit is also called "the Spirit of Christ" (Romans 8:9, 1 Peter 1:11).
 
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If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that when Jesus said ‘the Son of Man shall be come,’ He meant coming through the Spirit rather than a visible return. If so, I don’t see the justification for that in the rest of your post. Could you point specifically to what shows Matthew 10:23 refers to the Holy Spirit rather than the Son of Man?

Why are you separating the Son of man from His Spirit? The Spirit of Christ sent from the Father in Christ's name is the same as possessing both the Father and the Son. For they are ONE! And through Christ's Spirit in us, we too are heirs with Him

Matthew 12:18 (KJV) Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Acts 2:17 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18 (KJV) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Galatians 4:4-7 (KJV) But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

John 14:26 (KJV)
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
 
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Oh that's an easy one
John 14

Jesus Promises Another Helper​

15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
I'm not following you. The helper isn't Jesus, the helper is the Holy Spirit. No?
 

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I'm not following you. The helper isn't Jesus, the helper is the Holy Spirit. No?
Do you not understand that the Holy Spirit is also called "the Spirit of Christ"? Jesus said "I will come to you" in the same context as Him talking about the Helper/Holy Spirit coming to them. He was talking about the Spirit of Christ coming to dwell in them.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

1 Peter 1:11 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
 
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Why are you separating the Son of man from His Spirit? The Spirit of Christ sent from the Father in Christ's name is the same as possessing both the Father and the Son. For they are ONE! And through Christ's Spirit in us, we too are heirs with Him

Matthew 12:18 (KJV) Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Acts 2:17 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18 (KJV) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Galatians 4:4-7 (KJV) But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

John 14:26 (KJV)
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
I'm separating them because the Holy Spirit, Comforter, Spirit of Truth isn't the Son of Man.

The Holy Spirit wasn't crucified on the cross, the Son of Man, Jesus was crucified on the cross.The Son of Man (Jesus) said HE would come before the disciples went to the cities of Israel, not the Holy Spirit.
 

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Do you not understand that the Holy Spirit is also called "the Spirit of Christ"? Jesus said "I will come to you" in the same context as Him talking about the Helper/Holy Spirit coming to them. He was talking about the Spirit of Christ coming to dwell in them.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

1 Peter 1:11 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
No, I don’t understand it that way. The Spirit of Christ is not the Holy Spirit. There are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. The Holy Ghost is not the Spirit of Christ, any more than the Son is the Father. This is basic Christianity, isn’t it?
 
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No, I don’t understand it that way.
There's a lot of things you don't understand correctly, unfortunately.

The Spirit of Christ is not the Holy Spirit.
Yes, He is. This is blasphemous. You believe so many heretical things. Who taught you the nonsense that you believe, anyway? How do you interpret this verse...

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

What Spirit do we have dwelling in us besides the Holy Spirit? Do you think we have a separate "Spirit of Christ" dwelling in us, also?

There are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. The Holy Ghost is not the Spirit of Christ, any more than the Son is the Father. This is basic Christianity, isn’t it?
You just don't get it and it's sad to see. These three are one, it says. That means the Holy Spirit and Christ (and the Father) are one, so it's appropriate to say that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, since they are one. Come on, man. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).
 

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I think so many of us share similar testimony! The Free Will Baptist Church where I met and came to believe the gospel did not teach what they had LEARNED by self-study. They believed and taught what they had been taught. Sadly, many churches in this world have come to rely almost entirely on what they were taught in seminaries (Dallas Theological comes to mind), while this seminary clings to the works of John Nelson Darby and the Scofield reference Bible. They don't try to rewrite the Bible as so many modern translations do, instead they rely on the reference notes by C.I. Scofield inserted into the KJB. That's how and when the doctrine of premill dispensationalism became popular and spread exponentially throughout the church, throughout the ages.
I was in the Calvary Chapel movement in So. Cal for 20 years and they also followed Dallas Theological and its teachers, Dr. J. Vernon McGee and (BIOLA) in LA Mirada Ca, who was a Dallas Alumni was running the local schooling through his Bible institute that Calvary still endorses to this day (Dispensationalism/Christian Zionism)

Yes C.I. Scofield and his 1909 reference Bible that maintained John N. Darby's notes in the margins was the greatest world influence in planting the false teachings in the minds and hearts of the unaware
 
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Why are you separating the Son of man from His Spirit? The Spirit of Christ sent from the Father in Christ's name is the same as possessing both the Father and the Son. For they are ONE! And through Christ's Spirit in us, we too are heirs with Him

Matthew 12:18 (KJV) Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Acts 2:17 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18 (KJV) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Galatians 4:4-7 (KJV) But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

John 14:26 (KJV)
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
We are dealing with someone who is blinded by his full preterist beliefs and falsely thinks that Jesus already came in 70 AD and isn't coming again in the future. It's just sad.
 
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I'm separating them because the Holy Spirit, Comforter, Spirit of Truth isn't the Son of Man.

The Holy Spirit wasn't crucified on the cross, the Son of Man, Jesus was crucified on the cross.The Son of Man (Jesus) said HE would come before the disciples went to the cities of Israel, not the Holy Spirit.

Christ' humanity was conceived of the Holy Spirit in the womb of the woman. When He walked the earth a man, He was flesh, and Spirit making Him a complete living soul. Just as every human is born of flesh and spirit, and called living souls, so too Christ was born flesh from the woman, Spirit of God, becoming a living soul upon the earth. When we have the Spirit of Christ in us, we have Christ with us forever.

Luke 1:34-35 (KJV) Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
 

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We are dealing with someone who is blinded by his full preterist beliefs and falsely thinks that Jesus already came in 70 AD and isn't coming again in the future. It's just sad.

Are you certain? I wasn't aware that IndianaRob endorses full preterism.
 

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Are you certain? I wasn't aware that IndianaRob endorses full preterism.
Yes, I'm certain. He denies the glorious future return of Jesus Christ and that we will all be gathered to Him at the same time when He comes again.
 

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There's a lot of things you don't understand correctly, unfortunately.


Yes, He is. This is blasphemous. You believe so many heretical things. Who taught you the nonsense that you believe, anyway? How do you interpret this verse...

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

What Spirit do we have dwelling in us besides the Holy Spirit? Do you think we have a separate "Spirit of Christ" dwelling in us, also?


You just don't get it and it's sad to see. These three are one, it says. That means the Holy Spirit and Christ (and the Father) are one, so it's appropriate to say that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, since they are one. Come on, man. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).
A person can’t have the Holy Spirit without having the Spirit of Christ, because if you don’t have the Spirit of Christ, you are not His (you are not saved). You don’t have access to the Holy Spirit apart from Christ. That is exactly what Romans 8:9 is telling us.