The Mark of the Beast is here!

[Brakelite]

Not to mention, digital coin is not the MOB. That's the medium of money, not a mark of worship and allegience to the beast.

Revelation 13:12-17 KJV
12) And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13) And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Much love!

Thank you Marks. I've been trying to get that across for years. Financial ways and means, currencies, digitisation, chips etc are not the mark of the beast. You are correct in that the mark is a form of worship of the beast...a sign or mark of allegiance and surrender to the beast's authority.
The associated financial restraints, the buy/sell restrictions, and likely other incentives to co-operate and join with what will be a great majority, like fines, jail, and finally death, are just that... incentives.

 

[Jack]

No, you don't need to go on about the words "compliance" and "worship", as I have shown.
However, YOU DO need to go on about how you will have to comply with (worship) your Bank for access to your Digitized money for......."buying and selling"!!

 Edit: since you went to great length to help me understand the relationship between compliance and worship, I thought to take it more on the spiritual side.
Since God the Father desires our worship, we must be in compliance to His will as to how our worship of Him would be acceptable to Him. Therefore, we must-
1. repent towards Him and
2. believe in His Son Jesus and His sacrifice for our salvation.

Anything short of that, is considered by God the Father as being non-compliant to His will, for what He accepts as worship of Him.

LOTS of 'Christians' will be caught totally by surprise! The Mark is coming for them.

Revelation 12:9
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world;

 

[Earburner]

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's", do you remember who said that? Was Jesus saying to worship the Caesar? Of course not!!

In all the world and heaven itself, only God is to receive worship. Therefore the only thing Ceasar should ever receive is the taxes due him in the money he requests, but never worship.

 

[Earburner]

Mmmm. So you know who the beast is then. Care to share this with us?

The 4th Beast having 10 horns has been evolving ever since the Roman Republic came into being in 509-27 BC.

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[Brakelite]

The 4th Beast having 10 horns has been evolving ever since the Roman Republic came into being in 509-27 BC.

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I agree. What did it evolve into according to scripture... There are at least 10 criteria one may discern as identifiers. You are close in principle, but draw wrong conclusions

 

[Earburner]

I agree. What did it evolve into according to scripture... There are at least 10 criteria one may discern as identifiers. You are close in principle, but draw wrong conclusions

If we use king Neb's statue as one of our guides, we can see that there are four manifestations of the 4th Beast, each at different stages of its evolution..
1. Symbolized as Iron- the Roman Republic.
2. Divided being Two legs of Iron-.Roman Empire, both East (Byzantine) and West (Roman Catholic).
3. Two feet of Iron mixed with clay- Independant Europe.
4. Ten toes of Iron and clay- European Union.

 

[Earburner]

LOTS of 'Christians' will be caught totally by surprise! The Mark is coming for them.

Revelation 12:9
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world;

As Jesus did say:
Mark 13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
[33] Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
[34] For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
[35] Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
[36] Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
[37] And what I say unto you I say unto all, WATCH.

 

[Jack]

As Jesus did say:
Mark 13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
[33] Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
[34] For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
[35] Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
[36] Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
[37] And what I say unto you I say unto all, WATCH.

And Churches are filled with sleepers! Satan has been busy.

Mt 7 Narrow is the way and FEW there be ....

 

[Brakelite]

If we use king Neb's statue as one of our guides, we can see that there are four manifestations of the 4th Beast, each at different stages of its evolution..
1. Symbolized as Iron- the Roman Republic.
2. Divided being Two legs of Iron-.Roman Empire, both East (Byzantine) and West (Roman Catholic).
3. Two feet of Iron mixed with clay- Independant Europe.
4. Ten toes of Iron and clay- European Union.

We are very close in our understanding. We can certainly find common ground in the 4th metal being pagan Rome. I also agree with you that Roman Catholicism comes into play. Can we agree that the beasts of Daniel 7 and 8 offer is further detail, particularly the 4th beast which has iron teeth? I would suggest that this beast is also represented in Daniel 8 by the horn which grew from one of the 4 winds. Rome didn't evolve from the Grecian power which preceded it, therefore (Daniel 8 verses 8,9) it didn't emanate from any of the 4 notable horns that grew to encompass Alexander's former Empire (Lysimachus, Ptolemy, Cassander, Seleucus), but rather independent of them rose from one of the directions of the compass relative to Greece, namely West. That little horn, not to be confused with the little horn of Daniel 7, waxed "exceeding great", greater even than any power previous, toward the South, ready, and Israel (the pleasant land). All these were horizontal movements to conquer. In verse 10 however, it changed direction. It went up. This is an accurate remarkably prophetic picture of Rome. Beginning as a pagan Empire, but grew to having heavenly ambitions, absorbing paganism into its beliefs, Rome became Catholic, and washed eat against the heavenly sanctuary casting truth to the ground, persecuting the Saints, and the popes taking upon themselves the prerogatives that belonged only to God. This change in the nature of the little horn is depicted more fully by the little horn in Daniel 7, listing a number of specific characteristics that can only be applied to the papacy.
Later, the apostles John saw this little horn had grown to a beast in its own right (Revelation 13), a composite of all 4 beasts, enduring for the same length of time, and sharing many of the same characteristics as the little horn. The sea beast of Revelation 13 is the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8 all grown up. The papacy. The mark of the beast therefore is the mark of the papacy, and yes, the land beast of Revelation 13 is that false prophet, the United States which brings the papacy back into international limelight as a superpower like she was during the dark ages in Europe. It is the US than enforces the mark globally, bringing the world into subjection to papal authority through acceptance of the mark of papal authority.

 

[Brakelite]

How did the papacy replace paganism? It did so by making every false god and ritual an important part of its own beliefs and worship services. The name of the church was cunningly selected, Catholic meaning Universal. It's teaching practises, services, and prayers are a conglomeration off the ancient religions of North Africa, the near East, India, and Europe. The pagans were delighted and flooded into the church, while sincere Christians who refused to worship statues and pray to Mary instead of to God were slain. The church had become completely corrupt and had become Antichrist.

 

[Earburner]

We are very close in our understanding. We can certainly find common ground in the 4th metal being pagan Rome. I also agree with you that Roman Catholicism comes into play. Can we agree that the beasts of Daniel 7 and 8 offer is further detail, particularly the 4th beast which has iron teeth? I would suggest that this beast is also represented in Daniel 8 by the horn which grew from one of the 4 winds. Rome didn't evolve from the Grecian power which preceded it, therefore (Daniel 8 verses 8,9) it didn't emanate from any of the 4 notable horns that grew to encompass Alexander's former Empire (Lysimachus, Ptolemy, Cassander, Seleucus), but rather independent of them rose from one of the directions of the compass relative to Greece, namely West. That little horn, not to be confused with the little horn of Daniel 7, waxed "exceeding great", greater even than any power previous, toward the South, ready, and Israel (the pleasant land). All these were horizontal movements to conquer. In verse 10 however, it changed direction. It went up. This is an accurate remarkably prophetic picture of Rome. Beginning as a pagan Empire, but grew to having heavenly ambitions, absorbing paganism into its beliefs, Rome became Catholic, and washed eat against the heavenly sanctuary casting truth to the ground, persecuting the Saints, and the popes taking upon themselves the prerogatives that belonged only to God. This change in the nature of the little horn is depicted more fully by the little horn in Daniel 7, listing a number of specific characteristics that can only be applied to the papacy.
Later, the apostles John saw this little horn had grown to a beast in its own right (Revelation 13), a composite of all 4 beasts, enduring for the same length of time, and sharing many of the same characteristics as the little horn. The sea beast of Revelation 13 is the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8 all grown up. The papacy. The mark of the beast therefore is the mark of the papacy, and yes, the land beast of Revelation 13 is that false prophet, the United States which brings the papacy back into international limelight as a superpower like she was during the dark ages in Europe. It is the US than enforces the mark globally, bringing the world into subjection to papal authority through acceptance of the mark of papal authority.

There is indeed much that we have in common. My understanding of prophecy is an updated Amillennial view, and by our sharing what God has revealed to us by His Spirit, I believe we could perceive even greater detail.

Because I once was of the SDA and studied their teachings, I do understand the details of your study. I also have read much of Herbert Armstrong, of the Church of God.
But, my directive for study is how Paul describes it in all of 1 Cor. ch.2.

However, in my approach to the scriptures and Daniel, I understand Dan. 9:24-27 far differently than most Christians do.
I do not cut off the 70th week (7 yrs.) and cast it far out into the future, but rather I allow the 70th week to remain with the other 69 weeks, thus "timing" those 1260 days correctly, to be fulfilled through the joint ministry of 3.5 yrs. John the Baptist for 6 mos. and Jesus for 3 yrs.
Of all people in all the world, they are/were the only two that were ever anointed by the Holy Spirit at birth. That alone makes them to be the Two Witnesses of Rev.

As for the book of Rev. itself, I no longer understand it as being ONLY of the future.
Because God is speaking His thoughts of foreknowledge from His Eternity, I literally do see Rev. as being about the past, present and future. Isa. 55:8-9

 

[marks]

When YOUR bank requires a "biometric eye scan" from you, and then gives you an "invisible Digital ID tattoo", for you to have access to your bank account, no matter where you are, will you comply?

If you DO comply or you DON'T comply, it is all about worshipping the Beast, or NOT worshipping the Beast, which is compliance to its will or non-compliance to its will.
You will then be allowed to "buy and sell" or you will not be allowed to "buy and sell".
It's not too hard to figure out.

When the MOB is here, there won't be any of this silly debate.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Thank you Marks. I've been trying to get that across for years. Financial ways and means, currencies, digitisation, chips etc are not the mark of the beast. You are correct in that the mark is a form of worship of the beast...a sign or mark of allegiance and surrender to the beast's authority.
The associated financial restraints, the buy/sell restrictions, and likely other incentives to co-operate and join with what will be a great majority, like fines, jail, and finally death, are just that... incentives.

Lot's of things may be used as a part of this MOB, but yes, it's all about the worship, not just compliance with a system, but the dragon will demand worship.

Much love!

 

[marks]

In all the world and heaven itself, only God is to receive worship. Therefore the only thing Ceasar should ever receive is the taxes due him in the money he requests, but never worship.

Which is why your claim that compliance = worship doesn't hold true.

Much love!

 

[shepherdsword]

Thank you Marks. I've been trying to get that across for years. Financial ways and means, currencies, digitisation, chips etc are not the mark of the beast. You are correct in that the mark is a form of worship of the beast...a sign or mark of allegiance and surrender to the beast's authority.
The associated financial restraints, the buy/sell restrictions, and likely other incentives to co-operate and join with what will be a great majority, like fines, jail, and finally death, are just that... incentives.

It certainly isn't worshipping on Sunday either.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Which is why your claim that compliance = worship doesn't hold true.

Much love!

Romans 6.16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[Brakelite]

There is indeed much that we have in common. My understanding of prophecy is an updated Amillennial view, and by our sharing what God has revealed to us by His Spirit, I believe we could perceive even greater detail.

Because I once was of the SDA and studied their teachings, I do understand the details of your study. I also have read much of Herbert Armstrong, of the Church of God.
But, my directive for study is how Paul describes it in all of 1 Cor. ch.2.

However, in my approach to the scriptures and Daniel, I understand Dan. 9:24-27 far differently than most Christians do.
I do not cut off the 70th week (7 yrs.) and cast it far out into the future, but rather I allow the 70th week to remain with the other 69 weeks, thus "timing" those 1260 days correctly, to be fulfilled through the joint ministry of 3.5 yrs. John the Baptist for 6 mos. and Jesus for 3 yrs.
Of all people in all the world, they are/were the only two that were ever anointed by the Holy Spirit at birth. That alone makes them to be the Two Witnesses of Rev.

As for the book of Rev. itself, I no longer understand it as being ONLY of the future.
Because God is speaking His thoughts of foreknowledge from His Eternity, I literally do see Rev. as being about the past, present and future. Isa. 55:8-9

Well, apart from the 2 witnesses, I think we agree. Especially pleased on your take on Daniel 9. As you said, keeping all 70 weeks in one block is not the popular view. I agree with you also on revelation. Yep, historicist narrative beginning with the time it was given to John continuing throughout history to the second coming. Which incidentally, is not far off.

It certainly isn't worshipping on Sunday either.

Certainly? When you don't have an alternative, and can't, or won't name the beast/Antichrist? I don't think you are in a position to deny others their biblically and historically sought answers unless you have a reasonable alternative. And God recommends we reason right? Even with Him? Far better than simply denying don't you think?

 

[Brakelite]

When the MOB is here, there won't be any of this silly debate.

Much love!

No-one, not a single person on the planet, will accept the mark of the beast knowing it to be so. Some will welcome it conscientiously, (in the mind/forehead) believing it to be the truth of God... Not the mark of authority of the Antichrist. The rest will accept it in the hand (as a matter of convenience and to keep the peace, or to avoid punitive punishment for refusing...otherwise, they likely don't care either way).
But there will be a continuing debate until the time. God will not allow anyone to be left ignorant of the issues involved considering the due consequences of making such an eternally irrevocable decision. In fact, that debate over the past week has increased exponentially. It's just that no-one actually believes it for what it is. Unbelief has been the major flaw of God's people since their time in the wilderness leading them to idolatry. Nothing has changed.

 

[shepherdsword]

Certainly? When you don't have an alternative, and can't, or won't name the beast/Antichrist? I don't think you are in a position to deny others their biblically and historically sought answers unless you have a reasonable alternative. And God recommends we reason right? Even with Him? Far better than simply denying don't you think?

What do you mean "you don't have an alternative" The future beast kingdom will be a revival of the Ottoman Turkish Caliph. The mark will probably be a token of allegiance to Islam. I would attempt to reason with you. However, I am sure all I will get is regurgitation from Ellen White's three angel message. What's the use?

 

[marks]

Romans 6.16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

So then you don't use money? Must be interesting! I've done barter transactions, but it can be pretty limited depending on where you live.

Much love!