Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[marks]

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. He seems impervious to any truth outside Calvin's heretical dogma. I

Behold isn't Calvinist, though.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

No but with pregnancy the baby is in process of being formed.

OK but the concern is when an obese person takes that obesity for being pregnancy. One needs to have a very close encounter with God to birth something that can emerge in a full-blown holiness. Or one can simply go to God with faith seeking after His grace, by forsaking everything in this world.

 

[GracePeace]

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. He seems impervious to any truth outside Calvin's heretical dogma. I

It's true that, technically, he isn't Calvinist, but he is OSAS, and that's basically the same where it comes to the question of the possibility of believers being cut off for unbelief (Ro 11:17-23), etc, etc, etc (passages that debunk their version of OSAS or POTS of what ever you want to call it).

 

[shepherdsword]

OK but the concern is when an obese person takes that obesity for being pregnancy.

classic.....

 

[mailmandan]

Just making sure. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) yet genuine faith is demonstrated or evidenced by works. (James 2:14-24)

It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24-26; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*

Are we in agreement?

Is that a YES or NO sheperdsword?

 

[shepherdsword]

Is that a YES or NO sheperdsword?

I am in agreement with what the bible says.

Eph 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[Behold]

He seems impervious to any truth outside Calvin's heretical dogma. I

Here is what i teach, regarding : John Hyper Calvinism.

God is not a Calvinist
Jesus is not a Calvinist
Paul is not a Calvinist.
The Bible does not teach Calvinism.

The Gross error of "TULIP">.......in "Limited Atonement'......as this is the Cross Denying aspect of Hyper-Calvinism.

Did anyone notice that i asked Episkopos to "explain what it means to be born again, and why"..

A.) Still waiting as the hours pass us by.

 

[mailmandan]

I am in agreement with what the bible says.

Eph 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I'm in agreement with Ephesians 2:8-10. We are saved by grace through faith, not works, and created in Christ Jesus unto good works. We are saved UNTO/FOR good works and not by good works.

Are you in agreement with what I shared with you in post #566? YES or NO?

 

[shepherdsword]

I'm in agreement with Ephesians 2:8-10. We are saved by grace through faith, not works, and created in Christ Jesus unto good works. We are saved UNTO/FOR good works and not by good works.

Are you in agreement with what I shared with you in post #566? YES or NO?

I am in agreement with what the bible says.

Eph 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[Episkopos]

Here is what i teach, regarding : John Hyper Calvinism.

God is not a Calvinist
Jesus is not a Calvinist
Paul is not a Calvinist.
The Bible does not teach Calvinism.

The Gross error of "TULIP">.......in "Limited Atonement'......as this is the Cross Denying aspect of Hyper-Calvinism.

Did anyone notice that i asked Episkopos to "explain what it means to be born again, and why"..

A.) Still waiting as the hours pass us by.

I make it a habit to not read your posts very closely...only so much hooey a man can stand.

BUT...I will answer an "honest" question.

You ask... What does it mean to be born again? Well I don't subscribe to the American middle class version of it, for sure.

To be born again is to be birthed into a whole other realm by the Spirit. It is to be born in Zion, as the bible says (Ps 87)...the Jerusalem which is above which is the mother of us all...as Paul says. As such, our hearts KNOW the depth of the word, the truth of it, the love of God shed abroad into our hearts. But all this is as a sample of the spiritual walk in resurrection power and life. The born again experience is a TOUCH from heaven that INFORMS us of what we are to go after with all our hearts....since we know what the Lord's grace TASTES like. Taste and see that the Lord is good. Now we can SEEK the kingdom of God because we know there is an access to it because of resurrection life made possible by our Saviour Jesus the Christ.

After the sample we are like the man who, after knowing about the treasure hidden in a field...goes out and SELLS ALL to BUY the field. That is when we surrender all to the Lord to be translated into Zion to walk as Jesus walked in His resurrection power and life.

So to be born again is a good thing....but to take that as the final product and not just a sample is equivalent to being born a Jew and then not practicing the law. Being born a Jew is not enough...and neither is being born again enough (unless one was to die right away of course.) A born again person still needs to be PURGED (atoned) from his SIN NATURE...the old man has to be put down...in order to free the now enlightened inner man...in order to become an actual WITNESS of the risen Lord. To overcome as He overcame.

The Old Testament is about salvation. The New Testament is about GLORY.

 

[mailmandan]

I am in agreement with what the bible says.

Eph 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Yes we should walk in them, now once again I ask, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT I SHARED WITH YOU IN POST #566? YES OR NO.

It's like pulling teeth to get a YES or NO answer out of you.

 

[shepherdsword]

Yes we should walk in them, now once again I ask, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT I SHARED WITH YOU IN POST #566? YES OR NO.

It's like pulling teeth to get a YES or NO answer out of you.

Now you know how the Pharisees felt when they questioned Jesus. I gave you my answer. Here it is again:

I am in agreement with what the bible says.

Eph 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[Behold]

I make it a habit to not read your posts very closely...only so much hooey a man can stand.

I suspect you keep a warm shovel nearby your theology.

What does it mean to be born again? Well I don't subscribe to the American middle class version of it, for sure.

You're not able to post what you believe is the "American middle Class" definition of the "Gospel", or you would have posted it already, as i asked you earlier to do.
Thats another : Fail.

To be born again is to be birthed into a whole other realm by the Spirit. It is to be born in Zion, as the bible says...

Post a NT verse that says anyone is "born in ZION>., or born again in Zion".

Your false teaching is not found in a NT.

the Jerusalem which is above which is the mother of us all...as Paul says. As such, our hearts KNOW the depth of the word, the truth of it. But all this is as a sample of the spiritual walk in resurrection power and life. The born again experience is a TOUCH from heaven that INFORMS us of what we are to go after with all our hearts....since we know what the Lord's grace TASTES like. Taste and see that the Lord is good.

You are not describing """how to be born again, or why,"""" and that is the question i asked you.

You can't.

Listen.......Being born again, is not to go into a "realm"....as you falsely stated, in your bumbling rambling nonsense post.

After the sample we are like the man who after knowing about the treasure hidden in a field...goes out and SELLS ALL to BUY the field. That is when we surrender all to the Lord to be translated into Zion to walk as Jesus walked in His resurrection power and life.

Again, you posted nothing about being born again, or why.

So to be born again is a good thing..

-Duh.

However, you didnt post how or why.........regarding being born again., and that was the question @Episkopos

 

[Laurina]

I make it a habit to not read your posts very closely...only so much hooey a man can stand.

BUT...I will answer an "honest" question.

You ask... What does it mean to be born again? Well I don't subscribe to the American middle class version of it, for sure.

To be born again is to be birthed into a whole other realm by the Spirit. It is to be born in Zion, as the bible says (Ps 87)...the Jerusalem which is above which is the mother of us all...as Paul says. As such, our hearts KNOW the depth of the word, the truth of it, the love of God shed abroad into our hearts. But all this is as a sample of the spiritual walk in resurrection power and life. The born again experience is a TOUCH from heaven that INFORMS us of what we are to go after with all our hearts....since we know what the Lord's grace TASTES like. Taste and see that the Lord is good. Now we can SEEK the kingdom of God because we know there is an access to it because of resurrection life made possible by our Saviour Jesus the Christ.

After the sample we are like the man who, after knowing about the treasure hidden in a field...goes out and SELLS ALL to BUY the field. That is when we surrender all to the Lord to be translated into Zion to walk as Jesus walked in His resurrection power and life.

So to be born again is a good thing....but to take that as the final product and not just a sample is equivalent to being born a Jew and then not practicing the law. Being born a Jew is not enough...and neither is being born again enough (unless one was to die right away of course.) A born again person still needs to be PURGED (atoned) from his SIN NATURE...the old man has to be put down...in order to free the now enlightened inner man...in order to become an actual WITNESS of the risen Lord. To overcome as He overcame.

The Old Testament is about salvation. The New Testament is about GLORY.

Rev 3: 21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

 

[mailmandan]

Now you know how the Pharisees felt when they questioned Jesus. I gave you my answer. Here it is again:

I am in agreement with what the bible says.

Eph 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

You did not give me a YES or NO answer to my question in post #566. Why is it so difficult for you to answer my question?

 

[Episkopos]

Post a NT verse that says anyone is "born in ZION>.

Your false teaching is not found in a NT.

Wow...unlearned and unstable. I did post it but you don't even recognize Paul's words....so much for being a Paul follower. (you will be rejected by Paul too on that day)

Where do you think the "Jerusalem which as above" is located?

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Gal 4:26

Paul was merely citing the passage from Ps 87:5 in the LXX which reads "Mother Zion". Paul instead of saying Mother Zion...he says the Jerusalem which is above the MOTHER of us all (who are born again)

The fact that you don't know this means you are a beginner. The fact that you deny this makes you not only UNLEARNED but also not very bright or..."Unstable" as Paul puts it.

 

[Behold]

Rev 3: 21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

All who are "in Christ".. the Christians have already overcome.
So, if you are trying to do that, you are not understanding "born again".
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New International Version
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

New Living Translation
And who can win this battle against the world? Only those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

English Standard Version
Who is it that overcomes the world except the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Berean Standard Bible
Who then overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

Berean Literal Bible
Now who is the one overcoming the world, except the one believing that Jesus is the Son of God?

King James Bible
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

New King James Version
Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

New American Standard Bible
Who is the one who overcomes the world, but the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

NASB 1995
Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

NASB 1977
And who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Legacy Standard Bible
Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Amplified Bible
Who is the one who is victorious and overcomes the world? It is the one who believes and recognizes the fact that Jesus is the Son of God.

 

[Behold]

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Gal 4:26

As i said "ZION" is not in the NT.
Its only in your Legalism theology. @Episkopos

And if you can comprehend this.?????????? ......you notice your "Paul's verse" says its FREE.

"FREE"

Whereas = Your false theology says you have to work good works, and do righteousness to achieve it.

Remember?

See, you dont even realize your own posted verse, accuse you of false theology.

Just ask Paul....

 

[GracePeace]

As i said "ZION" is not in the NT.

Hebrews 12:22 ... you have come to Mount Zion...

OOPS!

LOL I'm sure you'll scramble this one up, too. Just wait. Let's see the justification of the unjustifiable ignorance he comes up with.

 

[Azim]

Wow...unlearned and unstable. I did post it but you don't even recognize Paul's words....so much for being a Paul follower. (you will be rejected by Paul too on that day)

Where do you think the "Jerusalem which as above" is located?

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Gal 4:26

Paul was merely citing the passage from Ps 87:5 in the LXX which reads "Mother Zion". Paul instead of saying Mother Zion...he says the Jerusalem which is above the MOTHER of us all (who are born again)

The fact that you don't know this means you are a beginner. The fact that you deny this makes you not only UNLEARNED but also not very bright or..."Unstable" as Paul puts it.

Anyone who watched the Matrix movies, probably has a better understanding of Zion, as fans, then those who post against you. (I say this as a joke, but also as a truth in ways).