The Antichrist ... or just another false prophet

[ewq1938]

The number of the beast is the number of a man.

Revelation 13:8 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This is regarding the FP beast.

 

[ewq1938]

The identity of the true Antichrist has been known and exposed for 400 years. No need to look for another who couldn't possibly fulfil all the criteria that prophecy demands of the position.

That is at best a type of the A not the actual, final AC.

 

[Douggg]

I already explained how it is impossible that 7 dead kings can rise to power in the end times. The heads are mountains, not dead kings.

No one is claiming that 7 dead kings rise to power in the end times. The 6 kings in blue are all historic... dead back in the1st century.

king 7 has not come to power yet. He is end times.

 

[ewq1938]

No one is claiming that 7 dead kings rise to power in the end times.

Yet the Rev 13 beast has all 7 heads when it rises to power so those heads cannot be dead kings. The heads are symbolically alive, one being wounded almost to symbolic death. So 7 alive heads cannot also be 7 dead kings. The heads are not any of the 7 kings of Rev 17.

 

[Brakelite]

That is at best a type of the A not the actual, final AC.

As I said, it is impossible today for any individual or institution or church to appear and take on the role of the Antichrist. While there can be many antichrists, those who in different ways replace Christ with counterfeits and which we see every day and have seen throughout history, there has ever been only one that fulfilled the prophecies that spoke of him. Only one that met every single criteria which the prophecies demanded. Only one that will in the end have his mark of worship enforced, and require the whole world to submit to his ecclesiastical and civil authority. And that particular Antichrist has been around since the 6th century, is pagan in essence but Christian by profession, and is already worshipped by those surrendered to her lies and deceptions. She, the one that will soon ride the state beast, cannot possibly be replaced by some imagined future individual. That teaching friend came from the very beast itself, a Jesuit deceiver by the name of Ribera.

 

[Douggg]

Yet the Rev 13 beast has all 7 heads when it rises to power so those heads cannot be dead kings.

The Revelation 13 beast represents both a kingdom and it's king with 42 months left before Jesus returns..

It is the one mortally wounded, but healed, head on the beast that comes to power with 42 months left. Revelation 13:3-5. That specific head is the beast-king - king 8 of Revelation 17:11.

Also, verse 3 says "his" mortal wound is healed. "his" applies to kings, not mountains. A mountain is an "it".

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

[ewq1938]

Also, verse 3 says "his" mortal wound is healed. "his" applies to kings, not mountains. A mountain is an "it".

It is "it" in the Greek. You would know that if you studied the bible in the original language. Studying only in English means no studying at all.

 

[ewq1938]

Only one that met every single criteria which the prophecies demanded.

No one has met those because the AC has not appeared yet. You are speaking of one of MANY types and shadows of the AC. Never fall for one of those, thinking he was the AC. When the AC shows up, you won't be able to recognize him because you believe he came in the past.

 

[Brakelite]

No one has met those because the AC has not appeared yet. You are speaking of one of MANY types and shadows of the AC. Never fall for one of those, thinking he was the AC. When the AC shows up, you won't be able to recognize him because you believe he came in the past.

Then you would have evidence of...
A. A prophetic characteristic of Antichrist that the papacy had not fulfilled...and
B. A future individual that could better meet the criteria than the papacy in...
1. Warring against God's people.
2. Thinking to change God's laws, and obscuring the same in people's minds.
3. Growing from pagan Rome, still living, and condemned to destruction at the second coming, meaning at least a1500 year life span.
4. Evidence of a direct prophetically historic link to the ancient Babylonian priesthood..
5. Evidence of involvement in the removal of 3 of the 10 European tribes that grew within the Roman Empire but are now extinct.

The above are just half of the criteria required as shown in prophecy. How is it possible for any future individual to fulfil them?

 

[Douggg]

It is "it" in the Greek. You would know that if you studied the bible in the original language. Studying only in English means no studying at all.

A mountain does not receive a mortal wound. And mountains don't speak blasphemes against God and them in heaven. Revelation 13:5-6. The mortally wounded, but healed head is that of a king.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[Davy]

No, the Antichrist will be a human who becomes the beast-king. Satan, the dragon, will empower him, Revelation 13:4

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

There is NO Biblical requirement that the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah has to be a flesh-born man. That idea is only assumed because those believe the false-messiah must fit the same requirements of Lord Jesus' birth of the tribe of Judah and house of David. Yet many miss the following hint of information given about the coming false-messiah at the end of this world...

Dan 11:21-24
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.
KJV

That "vile person" represents the final Antichrist, the pseudo-Christ that Lord Jesus warned that will come at the end, per Matthew 24:23-26. It is the same "man of sin" that Apostle Paul warned of in 2 Thessalonians 2 that will be revealed in Jerusalem at the end sitting in a newly built stone temple and exalting himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped.

That false-messiah will be setup by that "small people" mentioned above in the Daniel 11:23 verse. They will make him king, and they represent the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" at Jerusalem for the end. They will claim false-messiah will be of the tribe of Judah, and of the house of David, but he will be a fake.

The way that above truth becomes revealed about that false-messiah coming at the end of this world is because of what is written about him in Christ's Book of Revelation, and of course what Jesus and Paul showed about him in Matthew 24:23-26 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9.

Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV

In Revelation, the idea of the "beast" is applied to the beast kingdom (Rev.13:1), and to the beast king (Rev.13:11 & Rev.17). NO FLESH-BORN MAN ASCENDS OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.

We are told in Revelation 9:11 who it is that is a king and is over the bottomless pit, and thus will ascend... out of the bottomless pit...

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

Abaddon and Apollyon are simply other titles for the devil, Satan himself. They mean 'Destroyer'. And his name Apollyon is from the Greek word for 'perdition'. In 2 Thess.2, Apostle Paul also called the "man of sin" there by the title of "son of perdition", long after Judas had been dead. The "son of perdition" is another one of Satan's titles because he is already judged and sentenced to perdition at the future "lake of fire" per Rev.20.

Also in Revelation is another warning about the same pseudo-Christ that Lord Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24:23-26 that is to work 'great signs and wonders' at the end of this world that IF it were possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect...

Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV

That above false one who will speak as 'the' dragon, which is another title for Satan per Rev.12:9, will appear LIKE the Lamb (Jesus). That is the idea of the coming pseudo-Christ role that Satan will play which Jesus was warning us about. Paul called him "man of sin", "that Wicked", and "son of perdition" because those also are titles pointing to Satan in the coming role of false-messiah.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

Abaddon and Apollyon are simply other titles for the devil, Satan himself.

Davy, Satan is not in the bottomless pit. The bottomless pit is a kind of spiritual prison.

Now think back to Genesis. Who was a beast that Satan used to get Adam and Eve to sin ?

It was the serpent beast, correct ? Once that serpent beast died, it's spirit went into the bottomless pit.

That disembodied spirit will come out of the bottomless pit and possess the flesh born man - as the man returns to life.

 

[Davy]

Davy, Satan is not in the bottomless pit. The bottomless pit is a kind of spiritual prison.

You are really just bringing in irrelevant subjects that are not what that Revelation 9:11 verse is showing.

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

Break the phrases in that verse down...

"And they had a king over them,..." = the locusts had a king over them.

"... which is the angel of the bottomless pit, ..." = that king is an angel, and this phrase shows ownership of that bottomless pit, that it belongs to him, that he is the authority put over it.


That DOES NOT SAY THAT SATAN IS LOCKED... IN THAT BOTTOMLESS PIT. That pit simply is his ABODE OF HELL. That is where that 'pit' is located. It is where the prisoners of Isaiah 42:7 are being held in darkness in the heavenly dimension. Satan is free to roam there, just as he also is still free to roam the earth, and even appear before God's Throne to accuse us (1 Peter 5:8; Revelation 12:10 and Job 1 & 2.)

Why does it seem you want to disagree with everything I show you from Bible Scripture? These Scriptures are not that difficult.

 

[Douggg]

You are really just bringing in irrelevant subjects that are not what that Revelation 9:11 verse is showing.

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

Break the phrases in that verse down...

"And they had a king over them,..." = the locusts had a king over them.

"... which is the angel of the bottomless pit, ..." = that king is an angel, and this phrase shows ownership of that bottomless pit, that it belongs to him, that he is the authority put over it.


That DOES NOT SAY THAT SATAN IS LOCKED... IN THAT BOTTOMLESS PIT. That pit simply is his ABODE OF HELL. That is where that 'pit' is located. It is where the prisoners of Isaiah 42:7 are being held in darkness in the heavenly dimension. Satan is free to roam there, just as he also is still free to roam the earth, and even appear before God's Throne to accuse us (1 Peter 5:8; Revelation 12:10 and Job 1 & 2.)

Why does it seem you want to disagree with everything I show you from Bible Scripture? These Scriptures are not that difficult.

Davy, when Jesus returns, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit, Revelation 20:1-3. For one thousand years. At the end of the thousand years, he will be released from the bottomless pit prison.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[Davy]

Davy, Satan is not in the bottomless pit. The bottomless pit is a kind of spiritual prison

The following in 'red' is still... today... the same state of things for Satan...

Job 1:6-7
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, "Whence comest thou?" Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, "From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
KJV

Satan is not locked in his pit prison until the day of Lord Jesus' future return (Revelation 20).


BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
The following revelation by Lord Jesus in His Olivet discourse about the level power of miracles the coming pseudo-Christ will work shows a 'supernatural' miracle working not done by flesh man.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

One should be careful to note the singular tense context of the above 23rd and 26th verses about a singular pseudo-Christ, not many.

As I have shown before, Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance rendered that Greek word pseudochristos as 'a spurious Messiah' instead of "false Christs" like the KJV translators did.

Lord Jesus said that coming spurious-Messiah will show "great signs and wonders", and in the Revelation 13:11-14 version it says he will rain fire down from heaven to the earth in the sight of men, and deceive the whole world by the miracles he will have power to do.

Now Jesus' point above He revealed just HOW powerful in deception those great signs and wonders will be when He said, "... insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

Think about that. That 'if it were possible' is a condition, and it is pointing out that it is NOT possible to deceive His very elect. Jesus already owns His very elect chosen ones. They cannot be deceived, for they will be sealed with God's Seal for the coming tribulation events. Yet by His saying that, He was giving us a clue as to just how POWERFUL OF A LEVEL OF DECEPTION the working of those "great signs and wonders" on earth will be.

So if the working of those great signs and wonders will be so deceptive in power that it would ALMOST, if possible, deceive Christ's very elect, then how will those miracles affect the rest of the world? We are given a clue as to how far reaching in deception that working by the false-Messiah will be, per the Revelation 13:4-8 Scripture, and the Revelation 17:8 verse.

 

[Davy]

Davy, when Jesus returns, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit, Revelation 20:1-3. For one thousand years. At the end of the thousand years, he will be released from the bottomless pit prison.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Yes, I know that.

 

[Douggg]

The following in 'red' is still... today... the same state of things for Satan...

Job 1:6-7
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, "Whence comest thou?" Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, "From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."
KJV

Satan is not locked in his pit prison until the day of Lord Jesus' future return (Revelation 20).


BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
The following revelation by Lord Jesus in His Olivet discourse about the level power of miracles the coming pseudo-Christ will work shows a 'supernatural' miracle working not done by flesh man.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

One should be careful to note the singular tense context of the above 23rd and 26th verses about a singular pseudo-Christ, not many.

As I have shown before, Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance rendered that Greek word pseudochristos as 'a spurious Messiah' instead of "false Christs" like the KJV translators did.

Lord Jesus said that coming spurious-Messiah will show "great signs and wonders", and in the Revelation 13:11-14 version it says he will rain fire down from heaven to the earth in the sight of men, and deceive the whole world by the miracles he will have power to do.

Now Jesus' point above He revealed just HOW powerful in deception those great signs and wonders will be when He said, "... insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

Think about that. That 'if it were possible' is a condition, and it is pointing out that it is NOT possible to deceive His very elect. Jesus already owns His very elect chosen ones. They cannot be deceived, for they will be sealed with God's Seal for the coming tribulation events. Yet by His saying that, He was giving us a clue as to just how POWERFUL OF A LEVEL OF DECEPTION the working of those "great signs and wonders" on earth will be.

So if the working of those great signs and wonders will be so deceptive in power that it would ALMOST, if possible, deceive Christ's very elect, then how will those miracles affect the rest of the world? We are given a clue as to how far reaching in deception that working by the false-Messiah will be, per the Revelation 13:4-8 Scripture, and the Revelation 17:8 verse.

Davy, you were claiming that the beast-king is not a human being. But he will be a human being possessed by the spirit of the serpent beast (that will come out of the bottomless pit).

 

[Jay Ross]

Satan is not locked in his pit prison until the day of Lord Jesus' future return (Revelation 20).

When does God judge the Heavenly hosts who have rebelled against Him?

Answer, at the end of this present sixth age to fulfil God's covenant of peace with the nation of Israel, which will occur in around 20 years' time from now with the removal of the evil beasts of the field from the face of the earth.

What you are claiming does not, IMHO, match what the scriptures tells us.

 

[ewq1938]

A mountain does not receive a mortal wound.

Yes, it does. Rev 13 speaks of a head wounded and Rev 17 explains the heads are mountains.

And mountains don't speak blasphemes against God and them in heaven. Revelation 13:5-6.

That is the kingdom speaking just as any country can "speak" through it's people or leadership.

The mortally wounded, but healed head is that of a king.

No, it's mountain which is an area of land the ten horned kingdom resides in.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The ten horned beast is a kingdom in Daniel 7 and Rev 13.

 

[ewq1938]

Then you would have evidence of...
A. A prophetic characteristic of Antichrist that the papacy had not fulfilled...and

None of Rev 13 is fulfilled.

B. A future individual that could better meet the criteria than the papacy in...
1. Warring against God's people.

What's hard about that? lol

2. Thinking to change God's laws, and obscuring the same in people's minds.

That is not about the NT AC.

3. Growing from pagan Rome, still living, and condemned to destruction at the second coming, meaning at least a1500 year life span.

4. Evidence of a direct prophetically historic link to the ancient Babylonian priesthood..

None of this is relevant to the AC.

5. Evidence of involvement in the removal of 3 of the 10 European tribes that grew within the Roman Empire but are now extinct.

That is not about the NT AC. None of the 10 horns are removed in any part of Rev. You are conflating two different prophecies.

The above are just half of the criteria required as shown in prophecy. How is it possible for any future individual to fulfil them?

Most of the ones you presented are not AC related.