Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

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The New Testament makes clear; there is only one elect people. There is only one good olive tree, not two; one body, not two; one bride, not two; one spiritual temple, not two; one people of God, not two; one household of faith, not two; one fold, not two; one man, not “twain,” and one elect of God throughout time. Here is proof we are true spiritual Israel:

Ephesians 2:11-19

Ephesians 2:11-19 declares, Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth [Gr. politeia or citizenship] of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby … Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens [Gr. sumpolites] with the saints, and of the household of God.”

This Epistle reveals how there has been a major alteration wrought in their spiritual standing of these Gentiles in the New Testament age through Jesus Christ. What is more we see a complete redefining of terms and appellations. This passage shows how Gentiles have gone from being naturally considered “Gentiles” to being spiritually of “Israel.”

The word rendered “commonwealth” in the King James Version here is the Greek word politeia (Strong’s 4174) which means citizenship or community. This passage illustrates how Gentile Christians in this New Testament era have graciously entered into “the citizenship of Israel” through the work of Christ.

According to Liddell and Scott's Greek-English Lexicon a meaning of politeia is "the conditions and rights of the citizen, or citizenship.”

This passage speaks of God bringing natural Israelis together with natural Gentiles into the exact same standing and privileges. In fact, in this new covenant age they are classed as “one body” and “one new man.” How can this be? What are the grounds for this union? Is it speaking of a natural or spiritual reality? There can be no doubt by the clarity and straightforwardness of this narrative that Jews and Gentiles are joined together in this passage on the sole grounds of “the blood of Christ.” This is the only means of cleansing and freedom God knows or accepts.

They have been transformed from “being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision” (2:11) to “now in Christ Jesus” (2:13) being of “the citizenship of Israel.” This is indeed a remarkable change. The clear intimation here is that the naturally Gentile believers of Ephesus through salvation are no longer considered Gentiles. This would fit in with Paul’s teaching in Romans 2:26, 28-29 and Romans 9:30-33.

A Gentile is said in this text to be made a true Israelite. They are said to be “fellowcitizens” – a citizen of believing Israel. Obviously believing Gentiles do not become natural citizens of Israel, so this must mean spiritual citizens of Israel.

The word “fellowcitizens” (sumpolites) actually involves the joining of two Greek words sun denoting union and togetherness and polites meaning citizen. The joint word here is used to describe the unitary nature of the people of God of all time. It is thus correctly interpreted “fellowcitizens” in the King James Version confirming how the New Testament Gentile have been brought into “the citizenship of Israel” with the saints of the Old economy.

Romans 11:11-24

Paul gives us some interesting thoughts in Romans 11. In Romans 11:11-15 he teaches: “I say then, Have they (natural Israel) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?”

The apostle continues in Romans 11:17-24: “And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them, partakest of the root and fatness [or oiliness] of the olive tree. Boast not against the branches (Israel). But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root [Jesus], but the root [Jesus] thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches [Israel] were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?”

Paul uses the image of “the olive tree” in Romans 11 to show that Gentiles have become part of true Israel. His olive tree analogy is deliberate. He takes this imagery from the prophets who likened Israel to an olive tree in Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10 and 14:6-7.

No one could surely dispute we are looking at an Israeli tree here. Paul carefully describes the Jews who have been cut off as “natural branches” and being of “their own olive tree.” This shows us that this is an Israeli tree that held Israeli citizens. If the “natural branches” represent natural Israelis, and faith in Christ is the criterion for partaking in “the olive tree,” we can only be looking at the faithful genetic seed of Abraham who embraced Christ. This is the elect remnant of Israel. It was this holy remnant that remained attached to the Israeli olive tree that the Gentiles who believed now join in this new covenant era. This fulfils various Old Testament predictions that through Abraham’s seed all the families of the earth would be blessed (Genesis 12:1-3, 17:3-8, 17:15-16, 18:18 and 22:16-18).

Dispensationalist John McArthur even acknowledges: “And so the new life which enables us Gentiles to produce fruit unto God is the covenant stock of Israel that we’ve been grafted into” (Is God finished with Israel? Part 2).

This olive tree, which currently consists of both believing Jews and Gentiles, is therefore the continuation of spiritual Israel, only operating now under the broader new covenant arrangement. Consequently, it contains the full number of new covenant believers regardless of race or natural DNA. This metaphor describes the incorporation of Gentile believers into a decidedly Hebraic tree. But this is no natural tree. We are clearly looking here at a spiritual tree, because partaking in its blessing and sustenance comes through the exercise of “faith.” After all, if it were simply natural there would be absolutely no reason to cut out natural Israelites simply on the grounds of their race. The reason for Christ-rejecting Israel’s banishment from the tree’s blessings was “unbelief.” The reason for Gentile acceptance was because “they” stood “by faith.”

If God had two distinct chosen peoples, then He would not have integrated the believing Gentiles into a believing Jewish tree. The phrase “wert graffed in” is taken from the lone Greek word egkentrizo meaning ‘to ingraft’. It comes up 6 times in the New Testament – all between Romans 11:17-24.
 
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Galatians 6:15-16

Galatians 6:15-16 further reinforces the idea that we are spiritual Israel today, asserting: “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.”

Q. 1 Who is Paul specifically speaking to?
Q. 2 What is he speaking of in this text?
Q. 3 Who is he speaking about?

A. 1 He is primarily speaking to Gentile believers in Galatia, although there would doubtless have been Jewish converts among that assembly of believers.
A. 2 The whole focus of this passage is the subject of circumcision, and how it has no bearing upon the issue of salvation.
A. 3. All those who are born again.

Whilst this epistle was inspired of the Holy Spirit for the edification and instruction of the Church of Jesus Christ generally, it was initially and principally written to the Galatian Gentile believers. The verses that actually precede Paul’s instruction on “the Israel of God” makes it clear that his counsel was primarily directed to those Galatian saints who were experiencing hostility from certain Jews for not being physically circumcised. Paul in turn was specifically addressing the issue of circumcision, warning the Galatian Gentile believers against the dangerous crusade of these misguided Judadizers who were attempting to put them under bondage by compelling them to be circumcised.

Paul says of such, in his introductory comments in Galatians 6:12-13, “As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh (speaking of the Jews), they constrain you (Galatian Gentile believers) to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. For neither they themselves who are circumcised (namely the Jews) keep the law; but desire to have you (Gentiles) circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.”

Paul is constantly telling us in his writings in lucid terms that there is no ‘them and us’ within the body of Christ. He emphasizes how one’s Jewishness or Gentileness means absolutely nothing today “in Christ Jesus.” He actually rebukes those that try to establish distinct groupings within the body of Christ (namely Jewish Christians and Gentile Christians). Paul repeatedly instructs the New Testament believer that there should be no racial, cultural or economic division within the body. 1 Corinthians 12:25 says: “That there should be no schism in the body.”

Paul explains in verse 15 that one’s natural Jewish ancestry or physical appearance has absolutely nothing to do with one’s standing before God, rather it is one’s spiritual birthright only.

Moreover, the Greek word used in this passage for “rule” is the word kanoni, which means a rule or canon, i.e. a standard of faith and practice; by implication, a boundary, i.e. a sphere of activity. There is hence an important proviso cited here for one being of the spiritual “Israel of God,” and therefore enjoying the “peace” and “mercy” of the Lord; that is: irrespective of colour, creed, gender, birth-date (pre or post Calvary) or status that one is born again of the Spirit.

There is not one canon of faith for Jewish Christians and another canon of faith for Gentile Christians. Collectively they come under Paul’s definition of the “many” (Galatians 6:16). All are now one in Christ. All are governed by the same heavenly rules. This is the whole force of Paul’s teaching here and repeatedly throughout the New Testament. That is why he preferences the debated expression with the clear words: “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.”

Romans 2:25-29

The Apostle declares in Romans 2:25-29: “For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit.”

Romans 2:25-29 is quite powerful in that it changes the nature and scope of what a real Jew (the “circumcision”) and a real Gentile (the “uncircumcision”) are in God’s eyes under the new covenant. God takes these common natural terms and spiritualizes them, and in doing so redefines the whole argument of true identity.

The Holy Spirit shows the supernatural change that occurs under the new covenant where physical circumcision has been superseded by just spiritual circumcision in salvation. This is the sign of covenant participation. This change is so clear and indisputable. It is spiritual.

Throughout the New Testament, the natural ethnic title uncircumcision (normally used to describe a Gentile) is amazingly used to describe the unbelieving Jew. Also, the natural ethnic title circumcision (normally used to describe a natural Jew) is amazingly used to describe the believing Gentile. This would have been anathema to the unbelieving Jews of Paul’s day. It would have been the greatest insult to a Jew.

He is comparing those that are spiritually circumcised (representing all believers – both Jew and Gentile) to those that are spiritually non-circumcised (representing unbelievers – both Jew and Gentile). This is essentially a saved or lost issue, which keeps coming up repeatedly in Scripture. That is the only 2 peoples in this world, not Jew or Gentile.

It would be helpful to categorize the parties in view. Let us illustrate.

(A) Physical circumcision
(B) Physical non-circumcision
(C) Spiritual circumcision of the heart
(D) Spiritual non-circumcision of the heart

What Paul is saying is that A and B means nothing. Salvation is not a natural matter. He is emphasizing here as he continually does in his writings, C and D are what it is all about. This is how God truly views all men. Nothing else matters. He shows that C refers to all irrespective of race, nationality or status that accept Christ. He especially highlights how the Gentile who is by nature a B has been brought into this chosen grouping (C) through the blood of Jesus. He equally shows that D refers to all irrespective of race, nationality or status who reject Christ. He especially highlights the fact there will be those of A that equally belong to D and therefore damned. Nothing could be simpler.

In short, he shows that there will be those that are one thing in the natural and the opposite in the spiritual. Natural Jews can be classed as spiritual Gentiles and natural Gentiles can be classed as spiritual Jews. Of course, a natural Jews can also be a spiritual Jew through Christ, and a natural Gentile can also be a spiritual Gentile through refusing Christ.
 
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Initially it's not my intention to dispute anything in the OP, though that could change, depending whether or not you have convincing answers for any questions that might be raised. Therefore, in light of the OP, how do you propose one should interpret a passage such as the following?

Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever .
37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured , and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done , saith the LORD.
 

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Initially it's not my intention to dispute anything in the OP, though that could change, depending whether or not you have convincing answers for any questions that might be raised. Therefore, in light of the OP, how do you propose one should interpret a passage such as the following?

Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever .
37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured , and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done , saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 31:35-37 says, “Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.”

This has to be speaking about true spiritual Israel. After all, there has been lengthy periods in history where Israel has not been a physical nation. It is not talking about all Jews. Regardless of the disobedience, regardless of the schemes of Satan, there is a remnant of Jews of the seed of Israel which shall not cease from being a nation. They belong to spiritual Israel God's holy nation, a peculiar people (1 Peter 2:9). God's nation is a spiritual nation, not a physical nation that overwhelmingly rejects Jesus.
 

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Initially it's not my intention to dispute anything in the OP, though that could change, depending whether or not you have convincing answers for any questions that might be raised. Therefore, in light of the OP, how do you propose one should interpret a passage such as the following?

Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever .
37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured , and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done , saith the LORD.
I'd like to give my take on that passage for consideration.

Notice in verse 37 that it talks about God never casting off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done. And He hasn't. Paul said that God did not cast away His Israelite people that He foreknew and he gave himself as being an example to prove that along with the rest of the remnant of Israelite believers in his day.

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Notice that it says that the unbelieving part of Israel "hath not obtained that which he seeketh for "but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded". So, God did blind unbelievers in Israel, but did not cast away the remnant of believers and that was the evidence Paul gave that God did not cast away the Israelite people that He foreknew. So, He did not cast off all the seed of Israel at that time back then, but He did cast off all of them except for the remnant in terms of blinding them and cutting them off from the good olive tree. So, the seed of Israel did not cease from being a nation before God because of that remnant of believers.

But, then we have to remember what Paul said in Romans 9:6-8.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

He said that not all who are physically descended from Israel and from Abraham are Israel and proceeded to explain what that means by saying in verse 8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed". So, Paul talked about an Israel which was spiritual in nature and the qualifications for being part of it were only spiritual and not physical at all. The qualifications for being part of spiritual Israel were to be children of God and children of the promise in order to be counted as Abraham's spiritual seed and has nothing to do with one's nationality or being physically descended from Abraham.

So, coming back to Jeremiah 31:35-37, the nation that will never cease to be a nation before God is clearly spiritual Israel because it is made up of the children of God and of the promise who are counted as Abraham's spiritual seed. According to Galatians 3:26-29 the children of God and of the promise who are counted as Abraham's spiritual seed are those who belong to Christ. It is those who belong to Christ and make up the "holy nation" of God (1 Peter 2:9) and are "the Israel of God" (Gal 6:15-16) who will never cease to be a nation before God.

Another thing to consider is that Jeremiah 31:35-37 immediately follows a passage relating to the new covenant in verses 31-34, which is quoted in Hebrews 8:8-12. So, what is written in verses 35-37 relates to those who are under the new covenant. All believers, whether Jew or Gentile, are saved under the new covenant and all believers, whether Jew or Gentile, are children of God and of the promise and are Abraham's spiritual seed which makes us all part of the spiritual Israel of God that will never cease to be a nation before God.
 
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Jeremiah 31:35-37 says, “Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.”

This has to be speaking about true spiritual Israel. After all, there has been lengthy periods in history where Israel has not been a physical nation. It is not talking about all Jews. Regardless of the disobedience, regardless of the schemes of Satan, there is a remnant of Jews of the seed of Israel which shall not cease from being a nation. They belong to spiritual Israel God's holy nation, a peculiar people (1 Peter 2:9). God's nation is a spiritual nation, not a physical nation that overwhelmingly rejects Jesus.
@WPM, am I catching this according to how you are understanding this, if I am bringing in the correct verses

It says here, who shall declare his generation too

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment:n and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. (Acts 8:33-35) which ofcourse is speaking of the death of the Lord Jesus Christ

And again from Jesus the first begotten of the dead

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The first begotten of the dead, and follows here

Rev 1:5... " And hath MADE US kings and priests unto God and his Father..."

Whereas back in Exodus it says,

Exodus 19:6 And YE SHALL BE unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.

Adding,

These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Peter speaking,

1 Peter 2:9 But YE ARE a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light

Even here also, "thou wast slain; redeemed us out of every nation, making them kings and priests unto our God here also

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Then ofcourse in Rev 20:6

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I'd like to give my take on that passage for consideration.

Notice in verse 37 that it talks about God never casting off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done. And He hasn't. Paul said that God did not cast away His Israelite people that He foreknew and he gave himself as being an example to prove that along with the rest of the remnant of Israelite believers in his day.

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Notice that it says that the unbelieving part of Israel "hath not obtained that which he seeketh for "but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded". So, God did blind unbelievers in Israel, but did not cast away the remnant of believers and that was the evidence Paul gave that God did not cast away the Israelite people that He foreknew. So, He did not cast off all the seed of Israel at that time back then, but He did cast off all of them except for the remnant in terms of blinding them and cutting them off from the good olive tree. So, the seed of Israel did not cease from being a nation before God because of that remnant of believers.

But, then we have to remember what Paul said in Romans 9:6-8.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

He said that not all who are physically descended from Israel and from Abraham are Israel and proceeded to explain what that means by saying in verse 8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed". So, Paul talked about an Israel which was spiritual in nature and the qualifications for being part of it were only spiritual and not physical at all. The qualifications for being part of spiritual Israel were to be children of God and children of the promise in order to be counted as Abraham's spiritual seed and has nothing to do with one's nationality or being physically descended from Abraham.

So, coming back to Jeremiah 31:35-37, the nation that will never cease to be a nation before God is clearly spiritual Israel because it is made up of the children of God and of the promise who are counted as Abraham's spiritual seed. According to Galatians 3:26-29 the children of God and of the promise who are counted as Abraham's spiritual seed are those who belong to Christ. It is those who belong to Christ and make up the "holy nation" of God (1 Peter 2:9) and are "the Israel of God" (Gal 6:15-16) who will never cease to be a nation before God.

Another thing to consider is that Jeremiah 31:35-37 immediately follows a passage relating to the new covenant in verses 31-34, which is quoted in Hebrews 8:8-12. So, what is written in verses 35-37 relates to those who are under the new covenant. All believers, whether Jew or Gentile, are saved under the new covenant and all believers, whether Jew or Gentile, are children of God and of the promise and are Abraham's spiritual seed which makes us all part of the spiritual Israel of God that will never cease to be a nation before God.
Well put! Romans 9–11 is speaking about two types of Israeli (not one): one is unsaved and the other is saved. One is "blinded" and the other is the elect remnant of Israel – "the election." The physical ethnic nation rejects Christ and therefore rejects God.
 

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Well put! Romans 9–11 is speaking about two types of Israeli (not one): one is unsaved and the other is saved. One is "blinded" and the other is the elect remnant of Israel – "the election." The physical ethnic nation rejects Christ and therefore rejects God.
Generally agree, except I would say that spiritual Israel consists only of those who are saved (spiritual Israel) regardless of physical nationality while national Israel consists of both saved and unsaved people since both saved and unsaved people physically descend from national Israel. The difference between the two Israels is that being part of one (spiritual Israel) is based on being spiritually saved and being part of the other (physical, national Israel) is based on physically descending from national Israel. Most, but not all of the physical ethnic nation of Israel rejects Christ, so I would not describe national Israel as unsaved. The basis for being part of it is on being physically descended from national Israel and not on being unsaved.
 
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Generally agree, except I would say that spiritual Israel consists only of those who are saved (spiritual Israel) regardless of physical nationality while national Israel consists of both saved and unsaved people since both saved and unsaved people physically descend from national Israel. The difference between the two Israels is that being part of one (spiritual Israel) is based on being spiritually saved and being part of the other (physical, national Israel) is based on physically descending from national Israel. Most, but not all of the physical ethnic nation of Israel rejects Christ, so I would not describe national Israel as unsaved. The basis for being part of it is on being physically descended from national Israel and not on being unsaved.
What this is saying is, those who are not saved have no right to consider themselves as true Israel. The apostle here identifies two Israels; one spiritual, elect and believing, the other natural, ethnic and containing both believers and unbelieving. One is true spiritual Israel (“the children of God”/“the children of the promise”), the other is merely “children of the flesh.” Basically: national theocratic Israel was a political entity in which a believing spiritual remnant – true Israel – abode. It is only those Jews who belonged to that remnant within ethnic Israel that were true Israelis in God’s eyes. Through the cross, and since the cross, only those Jews and Gentiles who embraced Christ were enjoined to that remnant that are considered His chosen people. These have been joined together on an equal basis in Christ.
 
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@WPM, am I catching this according to how you are understanding this, if I am bringing in the correct verses

It says here, who shall declare his generation too

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment:n and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. (Acts 8:33-35) which ofcourse is speaking of the death of the Lord Jesus Christ

And again from Jesus the first begotten of the dead

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The first begotten of the dead, and follows here

Rev 1:5... " And hath MADE US kings and priests unto God and his Father..."

Whereas back in Exodus it says,

Exodus 19:6 And YE SHALL BE unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.

Adding,

These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Peter speaking,

1 Peter 2:9 But YE ARE a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light

Even here also, "thou wast slain; redeemed us out of every nation, making them kings and priests unto our God here also

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Then ofcourse in Rev 20:6

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These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Peter speaking,

1 Peter 2:9 But YE ARE a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light
God's people are described as a singular nation called out from amongst the nations (plural). The objective unindoctrinated Bible student will see that the people of God have been united as one into a trans-national spiritual nation. Race doesn't matter any more under the new covenant. It is all about grace.

Hosea 1:10-11 declares, “the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.”

True Israel is predicted here to grow to a mighty number (as the “sand of the sea”). How would this happen? They would be joined by countless foreigners who were outside of God’s special covenant of grace with Israel in salvation. This is speaking of the Gentiles. The reading confirms: “in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.” What a transformation! What a turn around. The sons of the living God – true Israel – would now include Jew and Gentiles alike. This occurred with the earthly ministry of Christ. He was indeed the “one head” that was anticipated that all sinners would give their allegiance to. Through the cross, there is no separation between Old Testament saints and New Testament saints. In fact it has been totally demolished because of Calvary.

Hosea 2:23 states: “And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.”

The Israel of God is expressly not restricted to the physical earthly nation of Israel or any other physical nation, as of the flesh, but rather to the spiritual seed of Abraham – the spiritual Israel that is born from above. The early disciples were faithful Israel functioned in the covenant promises pertaining to Israel, including extending out the salvation to the nations. The Abrahamic promises, and many other Old Testament prophecies were realized in the advance of the new covenant congregation of God (ekklesia).

Those who were aliens to God’s grace and heathen by nature have been assimilated into God’s Israel and become “the children of the living God.” There is no higher designation that man could possess. The personal titles that are used show us that we are looking at a spiritually regenerated people from through the Gentiles. We who were enemies of God (“not my people”) are now the people of God.

This same truth is taken up by Peter in 1 Peter 2:9-10. Whilst addressing the New Testament Church of Jesus Christ, he declares, ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.”

Here, Peter confirms the significant participation of Gentile believers in God’s elect covenant community. Where natural Israel failed in their vocation, true Israel accomplishes it as a multinational spiritual force. He takes promises, which were clearly addressed to Old Testament Israel (in Exodus 19:5-6 and Deuteronomy 14:2), and applies them directly and unambiguously to the Church of Jesus Christ in the New Testament. God’s people are shown to be a holy people, because God is holy. In presenting this, Peter ratifies the continuity between the people of God in the Old Testament and the people of God in the New Testament.

Let us remind ourselves of the Old Testament text in Exodus 19:5-6: “Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.” Deuteronomy 14:2 connects: “for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.”

Far from restricting the “chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people” description to the nation of Israel, Peter expands it out to embrace the many Gentile believers in this new covenant period. Not even the most blinkered Dispy could surely dispute this. The New Testament trans-national congregation today fulfils the priestly commission that Old Testament Israel failed to accomplish.

To support his reasoning, he also employs Hosea 1:10 which predicted that enlightening of the Gentiles, and their integration into the people of God. This is demonstrated in verse 10, where he testifies that the mainly Gentile Church who were once “not a people, but are now the people of God” had now been integrated into the Israel of God. He reinforces this point, telling us that they “which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.”

Peter describes the Church as “a chosen generation” (or a chosen race), “a royal priesthood” and “an holy nation.” He related this to all believers, irrespective of natural race. This shows us the spiritual nature of the Israeli designation in the New Testament. We can find that holy nation predicted in Isaiah 55:5 says, “Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.”

Both Paul and Peter allude to the Old Testament prophecies in Hosea that predict a people that were separated from God (the Gentiles) would become the people of God. They demonstrate, with legal acumen, that many of the great promises that rested upon Old Testament Israel are now exclusively realized in the spiritual entity of the non-ethnic assembly of God.

This people that Paul is referring to here, who are divinely called, which God said, “were not my people” and which are now loved “which was not beloved” are the elect Gentiles. Paul, referring to Deuteronomy 32:21, in Romans 10:19-21, supports this gracious fulfilment, saying, “Moses saith, I will provoke you (natural Israel) to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation (the mainly Gentile New Testament Church) I will anger you.”

He continues, supporting his line of reasoning, this time referring to Isaiah 65, saying, Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me (the Gentiles). But to [natural] Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.”

This “foolish” nation that has graciously found God, without first seeking Him, is the Gentile believers in this New Testament period. Those of all kindred’s, tongues and tribes, have come to God through Christ in true repentance. That elect people are not a physical earthly nation but a spiritual nation that has been wonderfully saved through the faithful preaching of the Gospel.
 

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@WPM, am I catching this according to how you are understanding this, if I am bringing in the correct verses

It says here, who shall declare his generation too

Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment:n and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. (Acts 8:33-35) which ofcourse is speaking of the death of the Lord Jesus Christ

And again from Jesus the first begotten of the dead

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The first begotten of the dead, and follows here

Rev 1:5... " And hath MADE US kings and priests unto God and his Father..."

Whereas back in Exodus it says,

Exodus 19:6 And YE SHALL BE unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.

Adding,

These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Peter speaking,

1 Peter 2:9 But YE ARE a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light

Even here also, "thou wast slain; redeemed us out of every nation, making them kings and priests unto our God here also

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Then ofcourse in Rev 20:6

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In my last post I had a reference to Replacement Theology from a previous conversation with Randy K. Hopefully you did not read it. It was not directed at you. I deleted it.
 
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What I was saying was: those who are not saved have no right to consider themselves as true Israel.
Agree.

The apostle here identifies two Israels; one elect and believing, the other lost and unbelieving.
The other Israel is national Israel, right? Elect national Israelites are part of both Israels, so I don't think we should make the blanket statement that the other Israel is lost and unbelieving. That comes across as if we're saying that all who descend from national Israel are lost. In Paul's day, most of them were lost and unbelieving, but the remnant of those who believed, including Paul himself, were obviously not lost.

One is true spiritual Israel (“the children of God”/“the children of the promise”), the other is unbelieving and merely “children of the flesh.”
Some children of the flesh, which refers to physical descendants of national Israel like Paul and the remnant in his day, are saved, but they are not saved because of being "children of the flesh" and instead are saved because of God's grace and having faith like Abraham and belonging to Christ.

Basically: national theocratic Israel was a political entity in which a believing spiritual remnant – true Israel – abode.
Yes, but those who were part of true Israel were also part of national theocratic Israel because they were physical descendants of Israel. So, that's why I'm saying we shouldn't make a blanket statement that national Israel is lost and unsaved. Most of them are, for sure, but not all.

It is only those Jews who belong to the remnant within ethnic Israel that are true Israelis in God’s eyes and those Gentiles who were enjoined to that remnant that are His elect. These have been joined together on an equal basis in Christ.
Exactly. And notice what you said here. You said that the remnant of true Israelis are "within ethnic Israel". So, they are part of both Israels and, therefore, we can't say that ethnic or national Israel is lost and unbelieving since that's not the case for all of them. I just don't think we should make blanket statements about the entire nation that are true about most of the nation because it comes across that we're either saying they are all lost or we're saying that those who are part of true Israel are not also part of ethnic or national Israel. But, they are. Paul himself, despite being a true Israelite, said "For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin." (Romans 11:1). So, he didn't stop being a national Israelite after becoming a true, spiritual Israelite.
 
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God's people are described as a singular nation called out from amongst the nations (plural). The objective unindoctrinated Bible student will see that the people of God have been united as one into a trans-national spiritual nation. Race doesn't matter any more under the new covenant. It is all about grace.

Hosea 1:10-11 declares, “the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.”

True Israel is predicted here to grow to a mighty number (as the “sand of the sea”). How would this happen? They would be joined by countless foreigners who were outside of God’s special covenant of grace with Israel in salvation. This is speaking of the Gentiles. The reading confirms: “in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.” What a transformation! What a turn around. The sons of the living God – true Israel – would now include Jew and Gentiles alike. This occurred with the earthly ministry of Christ. He was indeed the “one head” that was anticipated that all sinners would give their allegiance to. Through the cross, there is no separation between Old Testament saints and New Testament saints. In fact it has been totally demolished because of Calvary.

Hosea 2:23 states: “And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.”

The Israel of God is expressly not restricted to the physical earthly nation of Israel or any other physical nation, as of the flesh, but rather to the spiritual seed of Abraham – the spiritual Israel that is born from above. The early disciples were faithful Israel functioned in the covenant promises pertaining to Israel, including extending out the salvation to the nations. The Abrahamic promises, and many other Old Testament prophecies were realized in the advance of the new covenant congregation of God (ekklesia).

Those who were aliens to God’s grace and heathen by nature have been assimilated into God’s Israel and become “the children of the living God.” There is no higher designation that man could possess. The personal titles that are used show us that we are looking at a spiritually regenerated people from through the Gentiles. We who were enemies of God (“not my people”) are now the people of God.

This same truth is taken up by Peter in 1 Peter 2:9-10. Whilst addressing the New Testament Church of Jesus Christ, he declares, ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.”

Here, Peter confirms the significant participation of Gentile believers in God’s elect covenant community. Where natural Israel failed in their vocation, true Israel accomplishes it as a multinational spiritual force. He takes promises, which were clearly addressed to Old Testament Israel (in Exodus 19:5-6 and Deuteronomy 14:2), and applies them directly and unambiguously to the Church of Jesus Christ in the New Testament. God’s people are shown to be a holy people, because God is holy. In presenting this, Peter ratifies the continuity between the people of God in the Old Testament and the people of God in the New Testament.

Let us remind ourselves of the Old Testament text in Exodus 19:5-6: “Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.” Deuteronomy 14:2 connects: “for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.”

Far from restricting the “chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people” description to the nation of Israel, Peter expands it out to embrace the many Gentile believers in this new covenant period. Not even the most blinkered Dispy could surely dispute this. The New Testament trans-national congregation today fulfils the priestly commission that Old Testament Israel failed to accomplish.

To support his reasoning, he also employs Hosea 1:10 which predicted that enlightening of the Gentiles, and their integration into the people of God. This is demonstrated in verse 10, where he testifies that the mainly Gentile Church who were once “not a people, but are now the people of God” had now been integrated into the Israel of God. He reinforces this point, telling us that they “which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.”

Peter describes the Church as “a chosen generation” (or a chosen race), “a royal priesthood” and “an holy nation.” He related this to all believers, irrespective of natural race. This shows us the spiritual nature of the Israeli designation in the New Testament. We can find that holy nation predicted in Isaiah 55:5 says, “Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.”

Both Paul and Peter allude to the Old Testament prophecies in Hosea that predict a people that were separated from God (the Gentiles) would become the people of God. They demonstrate, with legal acumen, that many of the great promises that rested upon Old Testament Israel are now exclusively realized in the spiritual entity of the non-ethnic assembly of God.

This people that Paul is referring to here, who are divinely called, which God said, “were not my people” and which are now loved “which was not beloved” are the elect Gentiles. Paul, referring to Deuteronomy 32:21, in Romans 10:19-21, supports this gracious fulfilment, saying, “Moses saith, I will provoke you (natural Israel) to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation (the mainly Gentile New Testament Church) I will anger you.”

He continues, supporting his line of reasoning, this time referring to Isaiah 65, saying, Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me (the Gentiles). But to [natural] Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.”

This “foolish” nation that has graciously found God, without first seeking Him, is the Gentile believers in this New Testament period. Those of all kindred’s, tongues and tribes, have come to God through Christ in true repentance. That elect people are not a physical earthly nation but a spiritual nation that has been wonderfully saved through the faithful preaching of the Gospel.

What do you mean by " Your troubling Replacement Theology?

Because I do not even have a particular eschatology stance as I have confessed before, I just ask where I might have a question here or there as I am working it out in private but I have no dog in the fight.

So when I ask either camp I understand I will be called an evil devil and my questions might seem as someone who is insincere and trying to trap them (as is typical in forums) but I can truly appreciate how someone might put a thing together on either side of the fence.

I just havent chosen what side I am on as far as the fuller picture.
 
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In my last post I had a reference to Replacement Theology from a previous conversation with Randy K. Hopefully you did not read it. It was not directed at you. I deleted it.
Thanks for clarifying that, I thought, Oh boy here we go again, I said something somewheres thats got me on the wrong side of things again lol
 
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Agree.


The other Israel is national Israel, right? Elect national Israelites are part of both Israels, so I don't think we should make the blanket statement that the other Israel is lost and unbelieving. That comes across as if we're saying that all who descend from national Israel are lost. In Paul's day, most of them were lost and unbelieving, but the remnant of those who believed, including Paul himself, were obviously not lost.


Some children of the flesh, which refers to physical descendants of national Israel like Paul and the remnant in his day, are saved, but they are not saved because of being "children of the flesh" and instead are saved because of God's grace and having faith like Abraham and belonging to Christ.


Yes, but those who were part of true Israel were also part of national theocratic Israel because they were physical descendants of Israel. So, that's why I'm saying we shouldn't make a blanket statement that national Israel is lost and unsaved. Most of them are, for sure, but not all.


Exactly. And notice what you said here. You said that the remnant of true Israelis are "within ethnic Israel". So, they are part of both Israels and, therefore, we can't say that ethnic or national Israel is lost and unbelieving since that's not the case for all of them. I just don't think we should make blanket statements about the entire nation that are true about most of the nation because it comes across that we're either saying they are all lost or we're saying that those who are part of true Israel are not also part of ethnic or national Israel. But, they are. Paul himself, despite being a true Israelite, said "For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin." (Romans 11:1). So, he didn't stop being a national Israelite after becoming a true, spiritual Israelite.
Well put! I agree. Point taken! I have reworded what I wrote. See what you think.
 
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Thanks for clarifying that, I thought, Oh boy here we go again, I said something somewheres thats got me on the wrong side of things again lol
I tried to delete it after I read it again. I had posted that to Randy K. I totally agree with your thesis. Sorry for any confusion or offence.
 
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Well put! I agree. Point taken! I have reworded what I wrote. See what you think.
Looks good to me! I knew that you would agree with what I'm saying because I know what you believe. I just thought I'd say something in case anyone might have misunderstood what you were saying.
 
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Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever .
37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured , and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done , saith the LORD.
The above passage is a Time vs. Eternity passage (my specialty)...and definitely applies to the OP. Thanks for bringing it up!

Jeremiah 31:35-37 is a promise for this world--but also--a sign or prophecy and a revelation of the end of this world and the status of "who true Israel is" for eternity.

So in the Original Post where it says "one fold, not two"-- by the word of Christ there are indeed two folds (John 10:16) in this world--but only one fold in Christ with the commencement of eternity. Which for the house of Israel precedes even "we who are alive and remain" having come into eternity before natural death--which the house of Israel did not do, for salvation and the Holy Spirit eternal life sent by Jesus after His ascension had not yet come, although "It is finished" for them. Which is what is meant by "So the last will be first, and the first last."

And the sign or prophecy and revelation shows the timing to be just as it is written, as "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming." Which for "we who are alive and remain" in the world after receiving eternal life having been born again of the Spirit--is "each one in his own order." Which we know is not by one mass event as many believe, but "each one" in that order of when He came to "each one" person.
 
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The above passage is a Time vs. Eternity passage (my specialty)...and definitely applies to the OP. Thanks for bringing it up!

Jeremiah 31:35-37 is a promise for this world--but also--a sign or prophecy and a revelation of the end of this world and the status of "who true Israel is" for eternity.

So in the Original Post where it says "one fold, not two"-- by the word of Christ there are indeed two folds (John 10:16) in this world--but only one fold in Christ with the commencement of eternity. Which for the house of Israel precedes even "we who are alive and remain" having come into eternity before natural death--which the house of Israel did not do, for salvation and the Holy Spirit eternal life sent by Jesus after His ascension had not yet come, although "It is finished" for them. Which is what is meant by "So the last will be first, and the first last."

And the sign or prophecy and revelation shows the timing to be just as it is written, as "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming." Which for "we who are alive and remain" in the world after receiving eternal life having been born again of the Spirit--is "each one in his own order." Which we know is not by one mass event as many believe, but "each one" in that order of when He came.
The reality is: that one fold was an Israeli fold. That is what we have been integrated into.
 
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