Go and Sin no more...is this possible?

[soberxp]

Those who believe they live a sinless, without falt or defect, flawless, absolute, perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

Job 22:29
When men are cast down, then thou shalt say, There is lifting up; and he shall save the humble person.
James 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

The Gospel of Luke 14:11
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

We need to know where we are first.
But recognizing our limitations doesn't mean we have to compromise with sin.

I know deeply that God has shut me up in disobedience to have mercy upon all, for the scripture says, no one should boast about their works.

Of course, if I can, I wish I could be the one who can boast about my good behavior, how I wish I could boast that I have not committed a crime/sin, I didn't do anything wrong against the word of God.

 

[Brakelite]

We have Jesus tell at least two different people to "go, and sin no more" Did he mean it? Is it possible?

Jn 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Jn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Thoughts?

Yes.

 

[Brakelite]

You also know very well that Adam & Eve were not “practitioners” of sin.

So any Bible translation that waters down the act of committing sin should be replaced by a better translation.

You will never go wrong with the Authorized (King James) version.

I think they very quickly became practitioners of sin. Once discovered, they immediately pointed to someone else as being responsible. This is a powerful indication of a very quickly falling nature. Adam pointed to Eve, and by extension, blamed God for giving her to Adam. Eve blamed the serpent, and at the same time denying her own responsibility of remaining by her husband's side. Upon leaving the garden, they were forbidden from partaking of the tree of life in order for there to be no immortal sinner, this indicating that at that time, God was describing them as sinners.(Yes, sinners do die). They were given a time of probation to overcome the quickly forming habits of the flesh, after all, they were supposed to die that very day. God is gracious and stepped in, providing a substitute sacrifice, a practise Adam handed down to his children as a means of atonement and incentive to repent. I think we can be sure that Adam and Eve did overcome their fleshly carnal nature, but not without constant battle. They believed in there promise of a coming Messiah, Eve possibly even believing that Cain was him. But Cain didn't inherit his rebelliousness from thin air.

 

[Muna]

Here is without spot, blemish, wrinkle, and holiness

Jesus Christ, the Lamb without blemish and without spot

1 Peter 1:18-19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot

Desires to present His church to himself, not having spot, wrinkle or any such thing

Ephes 5:25-27 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it
with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing;
but that it should be holy and without blemish.

That His glorious church should also be holy and without blemish

 

[Muna]

Here is no guile and without fault in these examples between Christ and them which follow hm

In Jesus, the example we are to follow

1 Peter 2:21-22 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example,
that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth

Or in these which do follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth

Rev 14:5 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Nathanael is one in whom there is no guile here

John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

This man is blessed here

Psalm 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

 

[Brakelite]

The character is revealed, not by occasional good deeds and occasional misdeeds, but by the tendency of the habitual words and acts.

 

[Jack]

So, I will not answer until you answer.

Ain't no OSAS in the Bible, only in OSASers trying to convince each other.

"some will depart from the Faith"

Jesus said so.

 

[Lambano]

You know, I cannot find the expression, “self righteousness” anywhere in the Bible.

Well, the Bible DOES say a lot about pride....

This opening of the Parable of the Good Samaritan is interesting because the Greek word for "justify" here, δικαιόω,has its root in the word for "righteous", δίκαιος. "Wanting to declare himself 'righteous'". One of the takeaways from the parable is that failure to act in love and mercy when it is in your power to do so is as sinful as doing something unrighteous. A young man wise beyond his years pointed out at our Bible study that the positive command, "Love thy neighbor as thyself" is open-ended and thus MUCH harder than the limited restrictive "thou shalt nots". Keep that in mind as we strive to live righteously.

 

[Lambano]

Apparently it both requires our effort and God's, and how this works out in real life is a mystery to me. But it's true.

 

[soberxp]

Well, the Bible DOES say a lot about pride....

This opening of the Parable of the Good Samaritan is interesting because the Greek word for "justify" here, δικαιόω,has its root in the word for "righteous", δίκαιος. "Wanting to declare himself 'righteous'". One of the takeaways from the parable is that failure to act in love and mercy when it is in your power to do so is as sinful as doing something unrighteous. A young man wise beyond his years pointed out at our Bible study that the positive command, "Love thy neighbor as thyself" is open-ended and thus MUCH harder than the limited restrictive "thou shalt nots". Keep that in mind as we strive to live righteously.

So explain why the man robbed by the robbers was not called a neighbor, but the one who showed mercy was called a neighbor by Jesus.

 

[mailmandan]

You know, I cannot find the expression, “self righteousness” anywhere in the Bible.

Who taught you to talk this way?

Proverbs 30:12 - There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes yet is not washed from its filthiness. This verse illustrates the deception of self-righteousness which blinds people to their need for cleansing, as we also see in 1 John 1:8-10.

Matthew 5:20 - For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus challenges His listeners here by setting a standard beyond that of the Pharisees, who were famous for their self-righteousness. The righteousness that exceeds the "righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees" (self-righteousness) is the righteousness of God which is from God by faith. (Philippians 3:9)

Luke 16:15 - And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God. Jesus rebukes those who seek to appear righteous before men. God sees beyond outward actions and discerns motives. This verse challenges us to examine our hearts and motives, not just behaviors.

Luke 18:9 - And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others. This parable contrasts a Pharisee boasting in his self-righteousness and a tax collector who acknowledges he is a sinner who seeks God's mercy.

Romans 10:3 - For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. Their lack of understanding of how God's righteousness worked caused them to try to set up their own standard of what it means to be righteous before God. Paul describes this as a prideful attempt to decide what God should be satisfied with instead of submitting to His declaration of what it means to be righteous before Him.

Self-righteousness is more than just arrogance. It’s a spiritual delusion that blinds us to our need for God's grace and mercy. True righteousness does not come from within us but from Christ. When we surrender our pride and embrace God’s grace and mercy, we find forgiveness. Jesus rebukes those who seek to appear righteous to others. God sees beyond outward actions and discerns motives.

 

[Lizbeth]

We have Jesus tell at least two different people to "go, and sin no more" Did he mean it? Is it possible?

Jn 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Jn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Thoughts?

I take it that Jesus is talking on one level particularly to those individuals about those particular sins that brought their particular trouble upon them, in those cases. But on another level, that this is a also a word which applies to everyone in a general sense.

I believe sinning no more in any way at all is the potential we have in Christ, but the reality is that most don't attain that level of spirituality in a consistent way in this life. But that it should always be our goal and what we are reaching for, as long as we are alive on earth.

 

[Lambano]

So explain why the man robbed by the robbers was not called a neighbor, but the one who showed mercy was called a neighbor by Jesus.

Why do you think Jesus shifts the focus in this story to the victim?

 

[Lizbeth]

How does one define sin? Isn't it anything which harms relationship?

That sounds like a rather subjective definition to me. I wonder whether sin/iniquity is anything which falls short of the glory of God.

 

[Taken]

Go and Sin no more...is this possible?​

I guess it's possible. Some Christians think they NEVER sin.

I have never heard a professed “Christian” claim they have NEVER sinned.

But all Christians sin.

Really?
All “Christians” Reject belief IN God and belief in Jesus and belief Jesus IS the Christ?

Some don't confess their sins which may be unforgiven sins.

Many “profess to be Christians”, ie they having Become Followers of Jesus’ teachings.

Fact IS many “followers”… exercise their FREEWILL to Stop following Jesus’ teaching, and are content to continue their SIN of unbelief.

Not a mystery…as Scripture reveals mankind has freely chosen For Centuries, what to believe, what to reject.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

How does one define sin?

Non Belief IN God and the One God Sent.

Isn't it anything which harms relationship?

No. That is precepts and trespasses.

 

[Jack]

I have never heard a professed “Christian” claim they have NEVER sinned.

Not that they have never sinned, but that they never sin now.

Really?
All “Christians” Reject belief IN God and belief in Jesus and belief Jesus IS the Christ?

How did you get that from my comment???

 

[Lizbeth]

Dear shepherdsword,
The "sin' that Christ mentions in the two verses that you quoted is the sin of mixing of works with faith. Christ is not referring to ALL sins in those two verses.

When a babe in Christ mixes their own works with faith, they are committing the one and only sin that leads to death.

This verse applies:

Prov 23:26 My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyes observe my ways. 27 For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit. 28 She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increases the transgressors among men. 29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red (Old Wine), when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moves itself (man’s works) aright. 32 At the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like an adder.

In the wine analogy used by Christ in His spiritual teachings, the Old Wine (red) represents the Old Covenant and the New Wine represents the New Covenant.

The Old Covenant is based solely upon the works of man to make a person acceptable to God. In contrast, the New Covenant is based solely upon the works of Christ (both His physical and spiritual works) by which He will make a person acceptable to God.

When a babe begins mixing in their own works with the works of Christ, they are saying that the works of Christ are not sufficient to save them. When a babe accepts this lie, they are following the crooked way of Satan rather than the straight way of Christ. This is the “sin that leads to death” (1John 5:16) and is when a babe falls away and is broken, snared & taken by Satan.

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (converted believers). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes who draw milk) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

Paul said that when a believer commits the sin that leads to death, they cannot be renewed to repentance because they sacrifice the Son of God afresh. But there is a solution presented by God’s Word (here a little and there a little) which can restore an apostate believer. That "way" is for Christ to come to them a second time and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. The baptism of the Spirit will come in strength and will heal the person's spiritual blindness. As a result, the apostate believer will repent of their works and will come out of Satan’s deceptions. The judgment of the Day of the Lord will then immediately follow to remove and destroy all the spiritual things (chaff, Mat 3:12) within them that have made them a sinful child of the Devil. It is from this judgment that the child of the Devil perishes by the Sword.

Have you ever wondered why there is little unity of truth taught by the many different denominational churches in the world? It is because the churches of this world are fully apostate and have become places where the blind lead the blind. However, they do have one common belief. They all believe that a person must contribute at least some “works” to receive their free gift of salvation from Christ. Some apostate churches require many works, while some require just one or two. However, the number of works is unimportant since it only takes one work to commit the sin that leads to death and fall from grace.

When a person understands the true message being taught by the healing of the infirmed man (John 5:1-15) and the forgiveness of the woman taken in adultery (John 8:1-11), it becomes much easier to understand that Christ is only referring to the sin that leads to death. I can explain those two teachings but it would take a couple of additional posts to do it. If you have an interest, just let me know.

Joe

If we remember that the mixed wine is associated with whoredom in that passage, it will reveal what it is talking about. What is spiritual whoredom...?. Running after other lovers while being married to a Husband. That is the mixture.

 

[soberxp]

Why do you think Jesus shifts the point-of-view in this story to the victim?

Have you ever been the victim of a violent crime, or known someone who was?

I looked at my Bible, and it says there's a long history of hatred between Jews and Samaritans, Because the Jews consider themselves to be the descendants of the pure Abraham, and the Samaritans are the hybrids of the northern Israelites, They're more likely to commit crimes and make mistakes, but on the contrary, People who are thought to be more likely to make mistakes obey God's commandments.
Is Jesus Christ describing God's believers in a Den of robbers?
Or, if neighbors are like this person, they should be loved.

 

[Lizbeth]

To "sin no more" is a "double edge sword" for two different thoughts.

One thought is for the mind of the flesh to do the work of Jesus, aka CHURCH-ianity, the school of works.
The other thought is for the mind of Christ to trust in the work of Jesus, aka CHRIST-ianity, the school of faith.

Which "mind" in you accepts and comprehends this scripture:
John 11[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

All should read, study and digest all of 1 Cor. ch. 2 along with John 3:18, 14:23; Rev. 3:20.

Seems that some like to interpret all scripture through the lens of OSAS, if I'm not mistaken...? That will cause one to miss the point of the scripture in many places, nullifying it. To one's detriment.