Again Epi, our new man was made after the image of God. Is He righteous or not? Did we receive His (Christ's) Spirit or not?
Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah
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amigo de christo
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SOUND IT OUT . i notice a huge difference between you and epi .
your words GLORFIY CHRIST
his words glorify the efforts of man and not CHRIST .
though he can say truths . YOU POINT TO CHRIST GIVING ALL GLORY AND HONOR TO GOD by HIM
till the last breath sister . TILL the last breath .
THE IRON YOKE COMETH and will envelope this world . IT will be fast when it does too sister .
We dont have much time left . BUT be faithful to CHRIST even unto death sister .
GracePeace
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Not that I think the guy is "accursed", preaching a "false Gospel"--it seems God is with people such as profess things he professes, though I don't understand how--but I also have experienced much ignorance of Scripture, infidelity to Scripture, and seemingly intentional dismissal of Scripture, speaking with this individual.
You know, you come here looking for discussion with honest individuals, only to find what seems like people intentionally suppressing the Truth.
2 Cor 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. [ESV]
Then show us what's wrong with this translation.
Even the YLT confirms the ESV.
2 Cor 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.
Then check about all the available translations on Biblehub, none supports your view.
So that's the price a dear sister in Christ has to endure because you can not admit an error and a whole bunch of personal insults should give you back the upper hand in the discussion?? But it's still on you to confirm 2 Cor 5:21 is truth.
2 Cor 5:21 says so.
Marvelloustime
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The wisdom of God is greater than the folly of men trying to be wise. God catches people in their own design. While people read the bible to read into it whatever need they think they have, the bible is in truth interpreting them. It is written that the word of God is a DISCERNER of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
While the proud can't bear the idea that the bible translations have been tampered with, God's purpose goes far beyond what is written in the text.. The pretender reads the bible with a view of self-justification. The meek read the distorted passages without any side-effects looking instead at why they are not like the saints..and identifying with the verses that actually expose a true justification, as in, identifying with the Laodiceans recognizing their own lack and beating their chests like the publican who also recognized his own lack ..who ironically, was justified by God for it.
But the pretender ignores such warnings and is like the Pharisee who is convinced he has no such lack. What he/she sees are warnings for others but not for himself/herself. He/she sees only cause for justification. As such he/she has fallen into the trap set by God to catch the proud. God gives grace to the humble but resists the proud.
The pretender has nothing to compare himself to except in an idealized religious imagination, taking the best sounding verses for himself/herself. The meek see the impossibility of fulfilling the high calling in Christ and claim only to be unprofitable servants, not counting themselves among the justified.
So the one that claims to be the publican in the parable is actually the Pharisee. The one that admits he/she is like the Pharisee is actually like the publican.
This wisdom is as far above the heads of many here as the heavens are above the earth.
While the proud can't bear the idea that the bible translations have been tampered with, God's purpose goes far beyond what is written in the text.. The pretender reads the bible with a view of self-justification. The meek read the distorted passages without any side-effects looking instead at why they are not like the saints..and identifying with the verses that actually expose a true justification, as in, identifying with the Laodiceans recognizing their own lack and beating their chests like the publican who also recognized his own lack ..who ironically, was justified by God for it.
But the pretender ignores such warnings and is like the Pharisee who is convinced he has no such lack. What he/she sees are warnings for others but not for himself/herself. He/she sees only cause for justification. As such he/she has fallen into the trap set by God to catch the proud. God gives grace to the humble but resists the proud.
The pretender has nothing to compare himself to except in an idealized religious imagination, taking the best sounding verses for himself/herself. The meek see the impossibility of fulfilling the high calling in Christ and claim only to be unprofitable servants, not counting themselves among the justified.
So the one that claims to be the publican in the parable is actually the Pharisee. The one that admits he/she is like the Pharisee is actually like the publican.
This wisdom is as far above the heads of many here as the heavens are above the earth.
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soberxp
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The Bible is not complicated, it's people who make it complicated, the adult world, the adult mind. If, as Jesus said, you give a Bible to a blank-minded child to read, The results will be different. But don't ask an adult to guide the child. Ask the child to read for himself.
This is true. But the sinful adult will read the bible with a view to self-justification, complicating the narrative to the point where it is unrecognizable to the upright reader.
soberxp
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Skin for skin,blood for blood,etc is the The Profound Principles of Satan，
But God change it to, love for love, life for life.
But today Jewish people still believe in eye for eye, blood for blood....
Not only Jews, of course, but most humans believe in The Profound Principles of Satan，.
And...love for hate, good for bad. God responds as He is...not as we are. But His light also exposes our darkness...our evil. Will we allow His goodness to change our ways?
soberxp
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Not only Jews, of course, but most humans believe in The Profound Principles of Satan，.
Only these who He who listens to the word of God will understand.
The Book of James 1:23
For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
The truth of that verse has been corrupted by translators just as many other passages have also been corrupted. It goes by what people WANT to hear rather than what's in the actual biblical text. All the translators are doing is giving people what they want by manipulatng the text away from it's sharpness and difficulties, to making it easy to swallow for sinful people.
But only the pretenders are affected by these distortions. So there is nothing to worry about. God sees to it that even a distorted text does God's will. God takes our evil and turns it into good....as always. :)
(the good in this case is to expose wickedness in "high" places)
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soberxp
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It should read " He was made to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might fulfill the righteousness of God in Him"
In the text, it is wicked men who made Jesus to be sin...not God. And no one can BECOME God's righteousness for Him...but the Greek word "ginomai" means "to do". or "fulfill". The comparison verses are the Lord's prayer (thy will be DONE ...ginomai) and Gen 50:20 whereby our evil is transformed into good by God.
2 Corinthians 5:21 - Ambassadors for Christ
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.
biblehub.com
~50 translations state the verse is fine.
Go back a few thousand years...BEFORE the corruption of the church into a religious system.2 Corinthians 5:21 - Ambassadors for Christ
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.biblehub.com
~50 translations state the verse is fine.
And look at how the word "aphesis" translated as remission in the kjv (ex. Matt 26:28) ...and now has been altered bald-facedly as forgiveness ....in every other translation. It's what the people want to hear. Now see how many modern translations affirm this. What we see is the slow decay of the meaning of words to please the majority.
Remission means having no more power like a cancer in remission. But that deviation from the actual meaning of "freedom" now adds in a NEW meaning, further deviating it from the original intent.
The reasoning is "better that one word should lose its meaning than leave the majority in doubt of their salvation". Such wisdom is worldly, of course.
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I wonder that there is anyone who would presume to unilaterally re-translate the Bible. Even if he were a Greek scholar, which I don't think is even the case here.2 Corinthians 5:21 - Ambassadors for Christ
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.biblehub.com
~50 translations state the verse is fine.
I think a good definition of a pretender might be someone who thinks of himself more highly than he ought.
But how does Epi know this verse has been correctly translated? Simply because it doesn't disagree with his theology, so it must be correct.
A more biblical descriptive would be Pharisaical or hypocrite. But I know the sensitivity of many egos here.
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