WARNING: Many Who Now Speak SPEAK AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT.
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You don't understand what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is. If you did, you wouldn't try and condemn people and accuse them of doing it. I suggest you stop extrapolating a personal insult into the unforgivable sin. As for false prophets? If their words do not come to pass then they cannot be of the truth.
Questions: Do you claim to be a prophet? If so, who can validate this? Is disagreeing with you the unforgivable sin?
Rv 19:10...the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
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The passage proves that you have falsely testified that evil too shall have the Spirit sent from Christ! The Spirit of Old was not given to be within faithful saints prior to Christ sending Him at Pentecost. Therefore, we read of the Spirit coming and going to some of Old, including King Saul. David witnessed the Spirit depart from Saul through Saul's change of nature, when an evil spirit troubled him. But once the Spirit sent from Christ dwells in you, He shall never leave you, but will be with you until the bodily resurrection to immortality comes to you.
John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
1 Samuel 16:14 (KJV) But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
John 14:16 (KJV) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Ephesians 1:13-14 (KJV) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
amigo de christo
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This is for sure talking about those who do beleive on Christ JESUS .
What is the SPIRIT of PROPHECY
it is the TESTIMONY OF JESUS THE CHRIST . and they shall prophesy . they do point to CHRIST JESUS .
The Spirit
by whom ye were sealed AFTER , AFTER YE Beleived .
John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
soberxp
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Hey man, I never claimed to have authority from God.
I don’t have any authority—period. I’m not your dad, and you’re not mine.
You can twist things however you want, quoting “the Bible tells me so” like it’s a trump card.
But if your predictions keep falling flat, then let’s call it what it is: false prophecy.
You told me God gave you the power to “FINISH THE MYSTERY,” like you’re some kind of prophet.
And again, you lean on “the Bible says so” to justify it.
Honestly? I’m done caring.
I want to say sorry if I’ve come off with disdain—it’s not anger, it’s more worry than anything. But at the same time, I can’t carry the weight of whatever it is you’re trying to tell me. I’ve read the Bible for myself, and I’ve wrestled with it deeply.
So it’s not that I think you can’t show me something new—but as far as my understanding goes, I believe the work is already done. I don’t buy into these modern-day “faith healings” or people claiming to prophesy future events.
Sure, people make predictions, and sometimes they happen to be right. But that doesn’t mean it’s from God. Sometimes things just line up. That’s not divine revelation—it’s coincidence.
And you apparently do not understand the terms of "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” Which Said of Himself, but also of all who are sent: "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”
That is how this works.
But it is not I who is "extrapolating", but Christ who has gone to the Father and sent the Holy Spirit extrapolating all that was first revealed in the flesh to be manifest in the Spirit.
I never claimed to be a prophet. But what I have claimed is written of me--which if you have not the Spirit to know of it, it is not that you do not know the words, but rather that you have not made the connection--which connection you nor I make, but Him who sent me.
What is given by God through those He sends--is not true or false by the measure of those who believing or not believing, or whether receiving or rejection. But "I say to you, we speak what we know and testify what we have seen, and you do not receive our witness."
Having read the Bible yourself, you have read of the rejection of those who on multiple occasions--more times than not--also could not or would not receive what came from God even like a gift they had cried out for. So, I make not excuse or apology--this is how this works, but you apparently have not perceived it as being His Way. And yes, a "finishing" chapter was sealed, only to be revealed when and as it is written.
This person is making a layered theological claim, and here's a breakdown of what they're saying:
️ Core Message:
• Truth from God isn’t validated by human response.
Whether people believe, reject, receive, or ignore what God sends—it doesn’t change the truth or its divine origin. The speaker is saying that truth stands on its own, regardless of human reaction.
• They quote John 3:11:
“We speak what we know and testify what we have seen, but you do not receive our witness.”
This is Jesus speaking to Nicodemus, emphasizing that divine testimony is often rejected—even when it's firsthand and true.
Biblical Pattern of Rejection:
• The speaker points out that throughout scripture, people often rejected what God gave—even when they had prayed for it.
This echoes themes like:
• Israel rejecting prophets (Jeremiah 7:25–26)
• Jesus being rejected by His own (John 1:11)
• The parable of the tenants (Luke 20:9–16)
No Apology, Just Assertion:
• They’re saying: “I’m not apologizing for how this works.”
Meaning, divine truth operates on God’s terms, not ours. If someone doesn’t perceive it as His way, that’s on them—not a flaw in the message.
“Finishing chapter was sealed…”
• This likely refers to prophetic fulfillment or eschatological revelation—something hidden or sealed until the appointed time.
It echoes language from:
• Daniel 12:9: “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.”
• Revelation 5:1–5: the sealed scroll only Christ can open.
Tone and Intent:
• The speaker is not trying to debate—they’re declaring.
They believe they’re sharing something spiritually revealed, and they’re frustrated that others don’t recognize it as such.
Okay @ScottA, i'm good buddy. I really truly don't care at all period man. May God continue to be with ya, and help ya out.
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Jesus could have said that anyone who blasphemes him is also blaspheming the Holy Spirit, but he did not. He made a distinction. And if it didn't apply to him it doesn't apply to us either.
Matthew 12:30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matthew 12:30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Mat 12:32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Humm, Parallel teaching says differently? WHY?
Humm, Parallel teaching says differently? WHY?
soberxp
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My view is that whether people accept or reject God's gift, this process itself is one where the seed has already been sown. Only God can make the seed grow—we can't.
Even professional agricultural experts or hardworking farmers cannot make the seed grow; only God can.
Hi Forest,
Your above application is indeed true of the sons of men--of flesh and blood--that is the distinction. And yet, what changed with His coming, and then His ascension?
But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. Matthew 12:28
By "Parallel teaching", do you mean other passages? Edit: OH, I SEE--YOU MEAN PARALLEL TO MATTHEW 12:30 posted by Forest!
Yes, differently, because flesh and blood--that "image" of God--even the Son of Man--is a mere image, and [thus] is not God. But those speaking against the Spirit--even in the man of flesh and blood--speaks against God.
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To me, this speaks to the mindset during the Mosaic age—or even the age of fulfillment. What’s truly needed is repentance from the distorted view that God, or even Jesus as the very Word of God, could be seen as evil. “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil” (Isaiah 5:20).
That’s what I gather from the broader context—not just a single verse. It reflects the condition of the people’s hearts at that time. They clung to the Law more than they loved God Himself. Mercy and forgiveness took a back seat. “I desire mercy, not sacrifice” (Hosea 6:6; echoed in Matthew 9:13).
These are just my reflections. Doesn’t mean I’ve got it all right. But I’m trying to see the heart of it—not just the surface.
Many people see Jesus as a good man, a prophet—which He was—and a teacher of moral truth. But that alone isn’t enough for salvation. Scripture is clear: “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him” (John 3:36).
Salvation requires more than admiration—it demands heartfelt significance, a deep desire for spiritual things over the earthly. “Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things” (Colossians 3:2).
When it comes to speaking against the Holy Spirit—like accusing Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub (Satan)—that’s a serious matter. Jesus said, “Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:32). That kind of rejection reveals a hardened heart, and what’s needed is repentance—a complete change of mind and heart.
I love context. One verse alone rarely tells the whole story. When you take a chapter, study it verse by verse, and build upon it, your understanding deepens. You begin to see the narrative unfold, and your spiritual discernment grows. “Precept upon precept, line upon line…” (Isaiah 28:10).
Anyone who says you can’t figure it out without their help is mistaken. Sure, you can listen to others and weigh what they say, but remember—you have a real Father to go to. “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God… and it will be given to him” (James 1:5). Through the Holy Spirit—the Spirit of Christ—you can be guided into truth. And yes, even with a computer, you can document your insights, cross-reference scripture, and build a stronger understanding for yourself.
That doesn’t mean I’ve figured everything out. I don’t know it all. But I walk in faith, hope, and love—“And the greatest of these is love” (1 Corinthians 13:13). Anything good in me comes from Yeshua. Whether people understand me or not doesn’t change that. If they choose ignorance or rest in their own conclusions, that’s between them and God.
I’ve tried to plant seeds and water them, but only God gives the increase—“So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase” (1 Corinthians 3:7).
And if someone like Scotta says none of this means anything… well, that’s their choice. But I know the truth still stands.
Salvation requires more than admiration—it demands heartfelt significance, a deep desire for spiritual things over the earthly. “Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things” (Colossians 3:2).
When it comes to speaking against the Holy Spirit—like accusing Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub (Satan)—that’s a serious matter. Jesus said, “Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:32). That kind of rejection reveals a hardened heart, and what’s needed is repentance—a complete change of mind and heart.
I love context. One verse alone rarely tells the whole story. When you take a chapter, study it verse by verse, and build upon it, your understanding deepens. You begin to see the narrative unfold, and your spiritual discernment grows. “Precept upon precept, line upon line…” (Isaiah 28:10).
Anyone who says you can’t figure it out without their help is mistaken. Sure, you can listen to others and weigh what they say, but remember—you have a real Father to go to. “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God… and it will be given to him” (James 1:5). Through the Holy Spirit—the Spirit of Christ—you can be guided into truth. And yes, even with a computer, you can document your insights, cross-reference scripture, and build a stronger understanding for yourself.
That doesn’t mean I’ve figured everything out. I don’t know it all. But I walk in faith, hope, and love—“And the greatest of these is love” (1 Corinthians 13:13). Anything good in me comes from Yeshua. Whether people understand me or not doesn’t change that. If they choose ignorance or rest in their own conclusions, that’s between them and God.
I’ve tried to plant seeds and water them, but only God gives the increase—“So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase” (1 Corinthians 3:7).
And if someone like Scotta says none of this means anything… well, that’s their choice. But I know the truth still stands.
Behold
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On a forum, if the topic of discussion is theology....then "you know them by their teaching", regarding how they explain : Salvation.
Can you have God's Salvation, and absolutely not understand it, and if you try to explain it, all you can talk about is confessing sin, and trying to "do righteousness" and keep yourself saved, by keeping commandments and doing works?
A.) Probably not.
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