Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[mailmandan]

Amen. Sheep are not very clever. Wolves on the other hand are clever and wiley. Jesus knowingly sent us out as sheep among wolves. For the glory of God when we learn to rely on HIM, our good Shepherd.

Amen! Acts 20:28 - Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

 

[Episkopos]

Amen! Acts 20:28 - Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

Martin Luther....who invented "another gospel" and drew away many after himself. Jean Calvin...and all who follow an extremist delusion.

 

[mailmandan]

Martin Luther....who invented "another gospel" and drew away many after himself. Jean Calvin...and all who follow an extremist delusion.

Roman Catholics (who also promote works righteousness) would certainly agree with you. You have an extremist delusion yourself which stems from self righteousness.

 

[soberxp]

Martin Luther....who invented "another gospel" and drew away many after himself.

Without him, there would be no America, the u.s.a

 

[Episkopos]

Without him, there would be no America, the u.s.a

And the natives would still have their land?

 

[Episkopos]

Roman Catholics (who also promote works righteousness) would certainly agree with you. You have an extremist delusion yourself which stems from self righteousness.

The bible promotes works righteousness. But the illiterate and self-righteous read themselves into the bible according to self-interest. That's what you identify with. Why? Because it's natural.

 

[soberxp]

And the natives would still have their land?

I don't know.

Martin Luther was the core initiator of the European Reformation in the 16th century and the founder of Lutheranism, a branch of Protestantism in Christianity.

His most crucial act was nailing his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church in 1517, publicly opposing corrupt practices of the Roman Catholic Church such as the sale of "indulgences". His core doctrines included "justification by faith alone" (stating that humans are saved through faith rather than church rituals) and that believers could read the Bible directly. These actions directly led to the split of Christianity from the unified structure of Catholicism and the formation of Protestantism as a major branch.

Maybe what you don't support is " justification by faith alone".But this is a historical perspective,He may have his limitations.

But in the Bible the faith Contains work.
Just as Abraham obeyed the word of God to sacrifice his son, so Abraham's faith Contains his work.

 

[Episkopos]

I don't know.

Martin Luther was the core initiator of the European Reformation in the 16th century and the founder of Lutheranism, a branch of Protestantism in Christianity.

His most crucial act was nailing his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church in 1517, publicly opposing corrupt practices of the Roman Catholic Church such as the sale of "indulgences". His core doctrines included "justification by faith alone" (stating that humans are saved through faith rather than church rituals) and that believers could read the Bible directly. These actions directly led to the split of Christianity from the unified structure of Catholicism and the formation of Protestantism as a major branch.

Maybe what you don't support is " justification by faith alone".But this is a historical perspective,He may have his limitations.

I agree with justification by faith alone...but only for the higher walk in the Spirit. What Luther did is to take a holy standard, and drag it through the mud and made it accessible for every self-seeking pretender looking for an easy bargain that promises a future "Valhalla." Basically, Luther paganized the gospel.

But in the Bible the faith Contains work.
Just as Abraham obeyed the word of God to sacrifice his son, so Abraham's faith Contains his work.

The OT precedent of justification by faith is truthful, but one that GOD alone can impute to those who trust in God in impossible situations. Now, you have myriads of self-seekers self-imputing not only righteousness to themselves...but in an even greater error and heresy...that of imputing God's righteousness to themselves.

 

[soberxp]

I agree with justification by faith alone...but only for the higher walk in the Spirit. What Luther did is to take a holy standard, and drag it through the mud and made it accessible for every self-seeking pretender looking for an easy bargain that promises a future "Valhalla." Basically, Luther paganized the gospel.

I don't understand. A redemption certificate is more easy.

The OT precedent of justification by faith is truthful, but one that GOD alone can impute to those who trust in God in impossible situations. Now, you have myriads of self-seekers self-imputing not only righteousness to themselves...but in an even greater error and heresy...that of imputing God's righteousness to themselves.

Obey to God's word not self righteousness.
Obey to God's word called faith and work,
And only pleasure to God.
From Adam and Eve it was the lack of obedience to God's word that caused all the problems.

 

[marks]

I hope you're not referring to the teachings of God...

Just another put down of those who disagree with him. He litters his thread with such nonsense. For some, the need for this kind of self affirmation feels as strong as the need to breathe! Pray for him.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Roman Catholics (who also promote works righteousness) would certainly agree with you. You have an extremist delusion yourself which stems from self righteousness.

A broken faith. Fallen from grace, to rely on one's ability to do good works, to reform, to gain or maintain reconciliation to God. All the more reason to pray for him.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

Martin Luther....who invented "another gospel"

As i told you last time.
Were it not for the Protestant revolution (reformation)... that was both ordained and anointed by God, through Luther......you'd be in Canada, twisting beads for Mary.

Luther's Gospel, was exactly Paul's Gospel unleashed , as the MaryCult had it hidden for 1000 yrs behind Baptismal regeneration and the Eucharist, and their neurotic man made '"church father's traditions".

M.Luther understood that water baptism and works and self effort, are not "The Gospel", that Paul teaches/preaches.
Luther understood that God's Grace is The Blood of Jesus, and for no other reason will God forgive you or accept you as His own.
Therefore....Luther understood "The Gospel of the Grace of God", as The Cross of Christ, that is the Blood Atonement, that is the New Covenant.
Heretics do not understand any of this, correctly.

Luther explained "imputed righteousness" perfectly when He said......."Jesus has my sin, and i have His Righteousness".

That's God's imputed righteousness that is Paul's Gospel that Luther understood and taught.

A.) = Thats Galatians 3. """""even as Abraham BELIEVED God.. and it was IMPUTED (counted) unto him as RIGHTEOUNESS""".

Whose ? = GOD's righteousness........and Paul teaches that as being "made righteous"..having become "THE righteousness of God in Christ"...

See that? That is the "Gift of Righteousness", that is imputed by God, to all who give God their Faith in Christ.

Paul taught it.....Luther understood it, and Heretics can't.

 

[Episkopos]

Just another put down of those who disagree with him. He litters his thread with such nonsense. For some, the need for this kind of self affirmation feels as strong as the need to breathe! Pray for him.

Much love!

And just more, passive aggressive and sanctimonious virtue signalling from a troll who comes to my threads only looking for self-affirmation...and jumps on the bandwagon of many who insult me for speaking the absolute truth...which no one can refute except by having certain indoctrinations.

You never mention any of the attacks on me. I'm sure you have glee seeing that.

Please troll somewhere else. There is enough flesh here to choke a horse already.

Go pray and read a bible.

 

[marks]

I'm sure you have glee seeing that.

No, I'm not gleeful about what I see.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

No, I'm not gleeful about what I see.

Much love!

When someone seeks affirmation more than the truth, the whole process is thrown into disarray.

 

[marks]

When someone seeks affirmation more than the truth, the whole process is thrown into disarray.

You can say that again! Many examples above! The readers can see, I'm certain! And I continue to agree, it's not a happy sight, it's just fleshiness.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

When someone seeks affirmation more than the truth, the whole process is thrown into disarray.

Another vague meaningless post of yours has appreared.
Congratulations. (facepalm)

"the whole process is thrown in disarray". Episkopos posted into the strata.

What process is that?
Oh that's right, you didn't say......because you are never clear, as all you can do is be obtuse, redundant, and vague, as you try to "sound spiritual" in your posts and Videos, and always fail.

So lets learn about the "process" of becoming "one with God", so that the readers can understand more about it..

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= JESUS< is the entire "process" whereby, any sinner can become "one with God".... for eternity.

How?

A.) The Cross of Christ.......is what God offers as His final solution for our sin and our unrighteousness.

John 14:6......Jesus said "I am THE WAY".....and not works or law or commandments, or water baptism, or neurotic ramblings about "zion".

Now...Here is How He did it......God became a man, and dealt with the Law, and offered Himself to the World (John 3:16) as the "one time eternal sacrifice for sin"... as PAUL teaches.

So, when you turn to Christ for Salvation by faith.........God takes the Blood and Death of Jesus and pays for your sin., and now that your sin is dealt with, you must become righteous, because GOD is righteous, and you can't belong to Him or go to Heaven unless you are the same righteousness.

So, How do you get that?....... (You can study 1 Corin 1:30).. KJV....as well.

A.) .) You must be "made righteous"..., and that happens only when God gives you His very own Righteousness, as "THE Gift of Righteousness".....Paul Teaches, in Romans 5.

AA.) Abraham received it, as "imputed righteousness", and the believer will receive it the same way....by FAITH.... Paul teaches.

"Abraham believed God, and it was imputed (counted) unto Him as RIGHTEOUSNESS"""......... and Paul then teaches in Romans 4 ..., that = "for us also, = to whom righteousness shall be IMPUTED"..

And who is the "US" Paul is describing in Romans 4?........Its "all who Believe in Jesus, shall be saved".. "all who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved"... and "not by works".. "but according to God's MERCY He saved Us".

God's ...."Grace, through Faith".

God's...."Justification by Faith".

God's... "imputed righteousness....by FAITH".

 

[ProDeo]

We have different takeaways.
Yes, the universal rule for all of life is "each one must be fully convinced in his own mind".

I understand that different, the topic is about food. Both camps are right, in the sense of not being wrong. Of course Paul is not saying that (for instance) being convinced applies to heretic teachings is okay.

Breaking that rule is "sin", and the one who sins "is condemned" (v23).
The one who is condemned is not justified.
That, together with numerous other verses, created a problem for me accepting Ro 5:1.

Paul in Rom 5.1 does not contradict himself 9 chapters later in his letter, that is a given.

 

[GracePeace]

I understand that different, the topic is about food.

Well, "the one who observes a day observes it as unto the Lord" : no, it is, plainly, not merely addressing the issue of food, but addresses the broader issue of faith by various practices (eating, observing a day, etc).

Both camps are right, in the sense of not being wrong.

"Both" "camps"? What are the "two" positions (not including yours, which has already been debunked)?

Of course Paul is not saying that (for instance) being convinced applies to heretic teachings is okay.

The discussion I've been having has been about the correct explication of the sanctioned manner of living (ie, "under Grace") over against what Paul condemns in Galatians (ie, "under Law"), and the impact that that understanding inexorably has on the "saved by faith alone, not works, etc," argument--ie, this rule (v5) applies to the sanctioned manner of living "as unto the Lord", it does not teach you how to reject Grace by embracing a heresy that makes you fall from Grace (it is related, however, in the sense that you fall from grace when you don't follow the rule).

Paul in Rom 5.1 does not contradict himself 9 chapters later in his letter, that is a given.

Yeah, it's already understood that it's a given--it is that assumption that I've been operating under struggling to make them make sense together.

 

[marks]

Another vague meaningless post of yours has appeared.
Congratulations. (facepalm)

I think the meaning is seen easily enough. It's his innuendo that I'm seeking self-affirmation, and therefore am the monkey wrench in his teaching ministry.

He has opposed me for many years as I continue to post Scriptures that refute his assertions, and as I challenge him to act towards others commensurate to his claims of spiritual maturity.

Much love!