WARNING: Many Who Now Speak SPEAK AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[Muna]

ever lasting life.

Return to the life that should as ever lasting.

The sins of all people in the world—past, present, and future—will eventually be turned into a curse through their actions. This curse will be upon the earth, making the planet's life systems unsustainable (a fact that has already been scientifically discovered).

This is why God said to Adam,Gen 3:17 cursed is the ground for thy sake;

I'm just saying what I saw in the Bible.

Totally lost me

 

[soberxp]

Totally lost me

Sorry, my thoughts are quite jumpy.

If you do not cut off the end of the first verse it says in contrast

should not perish,
but have everlasting life.

What I mean by "perish" in that statement is this: the all sins of all humanity have led to the perish of the world. Therefore, my view is that people tend to interpret this "perish" as the destruction of one's life.

The sins of all people in the world—past, present, and future—will eventually be turned into a curse through their actions. This curse will be upon the earth, making the planet's life systems unsustainable (a fact that has already been scientifically discovered).

This is why God said to Adam,Gen 3:17 cursed is the ground for thy sake;

Yet believers may also experience the outcome of this perish of the world—
( believers should not perish )

however, those who believe in Jesus will receive eternal life and live.
( but have everlasting life. )

ever lasting life.

Return to the life that should as ever lasting.

I'm just saying what I saw in the Bible.




1.that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

2.shall judge him in the last day

If this is not a translation error, then it conveys one meaning: the destruction of this world.

And God will judge all mankind at the very end of this world's perish.

Therefore, my view is that people tend to interpret this "perish" as the destruction of one's life.

John 5:28-29
28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

 

[Muna]

Sorry, my thoughts are quite jumpy.

What I mean by "perish" in that statement is this: the all sins of all humanity have led to the perish of the world. Therefore, my view is that people tend to interpret this "perish" as the destruction of one's life.

The sins of all people in the world—past, present, and future—will eventually be turned into a curse through their actions. This curse will be upon the earth, making the planet's life systems unsustainable (a fact that has already been scientifically discovered).

This is why God said to Adam,Gen 3:17 cursed is the ground for thy sake;

Yet believers may also experience the outcome of this perish of the world—
( believers should not perish )

however, those who believe in Jesus will receive eternal life and live.
( but have everlasting life. )

ever lasting life.

Return to the life that should as ever lasting.

I'm just saying what I saw in the Bible.

I have a hard time with things in others own words and how they recconcile things, so I'll let someone else who understands what you just said take that up.

 

[soberxp]

I have a hard time with things in others own words and how they recconcile things, so I'll let someone else who understands what you just said take that up.

genesis 2:15
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

If you think of the Earth as the Garden of Eden, it is easy to understand.

And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of the Earth to dress it and to keep it.

 

[Muna]

genesis 2:15
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

If you think of the Earth as the Garden of Eden, it is easy to understand.

And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of the Earth to dress it and to keep it.

I havent a clue how these relate to Jesus words concerning perishing and unbelief, so maybe someone else understands what you are bringing to the table here.

 

[shepherdsword]

I gave you biblical precedence--which has everything to do with the church, me, and your problem of not knowing the scriptures well enough and not having the spiritual insight to know better.

Do you acknowledge that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh?

 

[soberxp]

Explain HOW telling everyone THEY MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS or perish IS PRIDE buddy .
ITS you all in pride , NOT ME

Forgive me, but we do not live under the law of sin.

I may be arrogant and rude, yet let me clarify this: first, I will take the beam out of my own eye, and then allow me to take the speck out of yours.

First, I apologize—I should not have called you arrogant or pride. Your perspective stems from love, yet it appeared as arrogance or pride in my eyes. (This is the beam in my own eye.)

When you tell someone what they should not do, you are condemning them. In doing so, you are crucifying Jesus and rejecting that person. (This is the speck in your eye.)

Amen.


Blessings.

Much love in Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Forgive me, but we do not live under the law of sin.

I may be arrogant and rude, yet let me clarify this: first, I will take the beam out of my own eye, and then allow me to take the speck out of yours.

First, I apologize—I should not have called you arrogant or pride. Your perspective stems from love, yet it appeared as arrogance or pride in my eyes. (This is the beam in my own eye.)

When you tell someone what they should not do, you are condemning them. In doing so, you are crucifying Jesus and rejecting that person. (This is the speck in your eye.)

Amen.


Blessings.

Much love in Christ.

Go ahead and let us read again the letters of the apostels to the churches .
Believe me they did correct sin and error . They did tell the church things to do and things Not to do .
Let that encourage you my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Forgive me, but we do not live under the law of sin.

I may be arrogant and rude, yet let me clarify this: first, I will take the beam out of my own eye, and then allow me to take the speck out of yours.

First, I apologize—I should not have called you arrogant or pride. Your perspective stems from love, yet it appeared as arrogance or pride in my eyes. (This is the beam in my own eye.)

When you tell someone what they should not do, you are condemning them. In doing so, you are crucifying Jesus and rejecting that person. (This is the speck in your eye.)

Amen.


Blessings.

Much love in Christ.

Think about what you last wrote .
You said when you tell someone what they should not do , you are condemning them .
WERE you condemning me . NO . you were not . see what i mean .
WE are supposed to correct error . So with what you wrote to me
telling me not to do , Are you condeming me or just reminding me . Exactly .
Though you were incorrect . ITS NOT condemning one to warn , to correct , to speak truth to them .
Just a friendly reminder my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Totally lost me

friend we keep it simple .
Preach JESUS to the last breath . All who do beleive shall be saved and have eternal life
but all who beleive not will perish . Its a fact .
ONLY IN CHRIST JESUS can one be made alive . UNBELEIF has NO FAITH .
And without FAITH it is impossible to PLEASE GOD .
preach JESUS to the final breath my friend . WE offer up THE ONLY HOPE , THE ONLY SALVATION , JESUS THE CHRIST .
This generation has f allen madly in love with a lie
and that lie will save none and damn all . Keep to the TRUTH my friend . You brings lots of scrips too . POINT TO CHRIST JESUS .
HE IS the ONLY ONE we POINT TOO . Now lift those hands and praise the glorious LORD my friend .

 

[soberxp]

Think about what you last wrote .
You said when you tell someone what they should not do , you are condemning them .
WERE you condemning me . NO . you were not . see what i mean .
WE are supposed to correct error . So with what you wrote to me
telling me not to do , Are you condeming me or just reminding me . Exactly .
Though you were incorrect . ITS NOT condemning one to warn , to correct , to speak truth to them .
Just a friendly reminder my friend .

Go ahead and let us read again the letters of the apostels to the churches .
Believe me they did correct sin and error . They did tell the church things to do and things Not to do .
Let that encourage you my friend .

Shall you gnaw this cup to pieces？

 

[amigo de christo]

Shall you gnaw this cup to pieces？

no , not really my friend . I was just showing you something .
You said when you tell someone not to do something you are condemning them .
As you told me not to do something . See the point .
That was all i was saying my friend . Out of great love we must do always what is best for the other .
That do include correction .

 

[ScottA]

Do you acknowledge that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh?

Yes of course

 

[JLB]

“Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven."​

These are the times for which Jesus gave the above warning--because He was then going to the Father and would send the Holy Spirit. And what did He say to and of those He sends?

“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless[f] as doves. 17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. 18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you" (Matthew 10:17-20).​

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It is one thing to have a discussion, even disagreements, but it would be wise to avoid making accusations--against those you think you are talking to.

‘Some well know cessationists have inadvertently spoken against the Holy Spirit in that way.

 

[ScottA]

‘Some well know cessationists have inadvertently spoken against the Holy Spirit in that way.

Yes, and they in fact, bear witness that they approve the deeds of the fathers of Israel, for they likewise now hinder the Spirit.

Even in this thread, having smacked the hornets nest, they have come out as a witness by their madness.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes of course

Always remember scott that many can profess to know this
and yet THEY DENY THE GOSPEL OF YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM , TO BE SAVED .
Many are gonna wail in horrendous torments on HIS DAY .
From every false religoin to even many within christendome itself .
WE CANT PREACH BELIEF and THEN UNBELEIF as we give false religoins a pass cause they might have hugged someone for world peace .
We cannot do as satans right hand lady , Oprah wimphrey did
and say to all
HEY I BELEIVE , but its not necessary for you to have to beleive .
WE better abandon the WHORE of satans all inclusive love punch ecumincal interfaith of anti christ lie .
OR WE have DECIEVED OURSELVES .

 

[ProverbsInPink]

God,who is holy and Spirit, was Jesus in flesh.
Those who deny that are offending on both fronts. Blaspheming the son of man, being Jesus was born of a woman and appears as a human Jewish male, and he was also God,the Spirit that is Holy, those who deny the divinity of Jesus are condemned.

 

[Chrysostomos]

If someone proclaims outright heresy—not just one, but several, condemned by church councils—and claims it was revealed by the “Holy Spirit,” isn’t that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
Doesn’t teaching heresies in the name of the “Holy Spirit” constitute blasphemy against Him?

 

[Muna]

If someone proclaims outright heresy—not just one, but several, condemned by church councils—and claims it was revealed by the “Holy Spirit,” isn’t that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
Doesn’t teaching heresies in the name of the “Holy Spirit” constitute blasphemy against Him?

Here it speaks of lies in His name

Jeremiah 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Which would not be by the Spirit of truth.

 

[ScottA]

If someone proclaims outright heresy—not just one, but several, condemned by church councils—and claims it was revealed by the “Holy Spirit,” isn’t that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
Doesn’t teaching heresies in the name of the “Holy Spirit” constitute blasphemy against Him?

A false witness is "against" either way, so yes. But then again--God knows.