Except that unfortunately what you are calling Phariseeism is the preaching/teaching of Christ and the apostles.
Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah
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amigo de christo
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would a born again person say THERE IS NO need to have beleived on JESUS the CHRIST . yeah I trow NOT .
Would a born again person being trying to attain his or her own righteousness apart FROM FAITH IN CHRIST . I TROW NOT .
Would a born again person follow budda , muhammed or any other false religoin
I TROW NOT .
THE BORN AGAIN BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , and another gospel they Will NOT HEED but will surely expose .
Doing all to correct any who might be heeding anyone who preaches another gospel .
ONE is born again
BY THE SPIRIT ..........
ANY GUESSES on WHO the SPIRIT TESTIFIES OF , IT YA SAID JESUS , YOU BE SPOT ON RIGHT .
only some here seem to be preaching another gospel
and EVEN SAID to me THE GOSPEL IS NOT ABOUT salvation .
KINDA ODD one would even dare say such a thing .
WHAT did paul say .
FOR I am not ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST
for it is the power of GOD unto SALVATION to everyone who beleives , to the jew and to the gentile .
UNTO what
SALVATION . but EPI says the gospel is not about SALVATION .
now are you gonna heed epi or what PAUL , who I KNOW KNEW JESUS said .
exactly . DO NOT HEED a word one outta that mans lips .
amigo de christo
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what were the pharisees guilty of sister .
OF trying to attain THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS , THEY DID NOT SEEK IT BY FAITH .
DOES that sound like anyone you know .
but he calls US the phrasiee , WHO PREACH THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
so as one can be made the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD .
something is dead wrong sister .
Had a hunch from the start of this thread that you might be trying to get folks back under the Law again. The new wine replaces the old. So much so that it even required a whole new wineskin. The Law is not the foundation, Jesus Christ is.
I post the words of Peter and you say it is false. I post the words of Jesus and you twist the meaning to mean the opposite of what's written. Since my doctrine is sound I HOPE you see it as wrong...that proves that I am spot on...just like the bible.
I need for pretenders to be upset at me...that how I know I am speaking the truth that hits home. The Pharisees HATED what Jesus had to say about them. And He said that those who live godly will also be so hated. So it is a pre-requisite that pretenders are very uncomfortable...even offended...when speaking the truth without holding anything back.
So then turn your comments back around and accuse yourself, as someone who throws out most of the bible to support a bad understanding of the verses you name and claim for yourself.
My doctrine holds up to scrutiny from the WHOLE bible...the WHOLE counsel of God.
I marvel at the willful blindness of those who ignore most of the word... in order to misunderstand the gospel. How futile!
Why does Paul say that all scripture (OT) is good for reproof, doctrine, and instruction in righteousness? No pretender can answer this.
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amigo de christo
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its known as the law of epi , of inclusivism and of the lie .
The lie that implies man can be justified by his own merits
and be saved by even his own deeds , WITHOUT FAITH , aka BELEIF IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
And he already tried a few weeks back to make it seem like i was fasely accusing him .
BUT I FOUND it and exposed him . I SURE DID NOTICE he did not try and come on and correct me on this thread of his
done a couple of years back . NO he just falsely accused me of falsely accusing him . BUT HE DOES
beleive one does not have to BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST , TO be saved .
And that , we both know IS NOT WHAT THE FATHER OR THE SON , OR THE SPIRIT would ever have said .
SOMETHING is dead wrong . and for the last several years , HAVE YOU EVER SEEN him retract this .
NO HE DOUBLES DOWN with his agenda . not looking good sister for him at all .
amigo de christo
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Epi does posts the words of peter at times and even the words of JESUS .
but HOW DOES HE USE such words . TO JUSTIFY something NOT TRUE .
do you know of anyone who does that .
WHO uses even the words OF GOD
but did so out of text to imply a lie . IF you guessed the sepernt , the dragon , YOU are CORRECT sister .
EPI uses scriptures to justify EPI and his own gospel . And BELEIVE ME when i say
HE DONT PREACH BELEIF IN JESUS CHRIST , rather he uses HIS LOVELY WORDS to DENY JESUS OWN GOSPEL .
that is super deadly . I truly do shudder in fear for the soul of that man and an y else who would dare to do such a thing .
Behold
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He'll find out one day that the Gospel : "IS the power of God.....UNTO SALVATION.... to/for, everyone who BELIEVES"
Take it from Paul..
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New International Version
For I am not ashamed of the Gospel, because IT is The POWER of God. = that brings Salvation = to everyone who BELIEVES.....: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
New Living Translation
For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, Saving everyone who BELIEVES—the Jew first and also the Gentile.
English Standard Version
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Berean Standard Bible
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek.
Berean Literal Bible
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone believing--both to Jewish first, and to Greek.
King James Bible
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
New King James Version
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
New American Standard Bible
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Amen. And I'm afraid it doesn't look good for anyone who apparently has an inability to acknowledge any wrong when they are clearly confronted with it. God commands all men everywhere to repent. Jesus went around preaching repentance. His Spirit in a person gives us a tender conscience. When someone is lacking a conscience, well it does make me wonder about their spiritual condition.
A certain young man came to Jesus and asked Him what so many here would have asked Him...What must I do to inherit eternal life...or as any modern evangelical would ask...what must I do to be saved? Jesus responded....obey the commandments.
WHAT? Is Jesus a legalist? Doesn't He know the gospel? Doesn't He know Paul's gospel?
Of course I'm not taking these kind of silly conclusions seriously.
No, what modern self-justifiers can't do is throw away a plain teaching of Jesus...and remain honest.
The young man wondered if there might be MORE than obedience to the law. Jesus said...If you would be PERFECT (the gospel of perfection and glory) then SELL all and follow Him.
Now the modern scheme ignores Jesus's words on BOTH counts. They don't obey the law AND they don't obey Jesus...they don't sell all to follow Him...so they twist the gospel meaning.
The conscience has 2 levels. A conscience that is common to all men...as a being created in God's image (all men)....AND a quickened conscience that causes people to TREMBLE at His word. This is unknown in modern Christendom. And the regular conscience of many ideologues becomes seared in regard to any upward call in Christ.
Amen....and it does take the POWER of God to save a soul. With man it is impossible to save himself by his own righteousness.
When I preach or teach the gospel to indoctrinated people from Babylon...the result is either weeping (sorrow) or gnashing of teeth (anger). And that is due to the fact that when people finally are fully exposed to the truth on judgment day, that's how they will react. Better to remedy that situation BEFORE judgment day. At least the wise will do so. They will make sure the truth is in their lamps.
The key is to find a way to not be so affected...weeping or anger... to find the balance that's in truth. In Spirit and in truth. Being affected neither in sorrow or anger. How? By humbling oneself and letting go of the ego.
Who is among you that feareth the Lord, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the Lord, and stay upon his God.
Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow. Is. 50:10-11
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Cor. 4:4
The key is to find a way to not be so affected...weeping or anger... to find the balance that's in truth. In Spirit and in truth. Being affected neither in sorrow or anger. How? By humbling oneself and letting go of the ego.
Who is among you that feareth the Lord, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the Lord, and stay upon his God.
Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow. Is. 50:10-11
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Cor. 4:4
Unfortunately what you preach/teach is MIXTURE. Mixture is not of God, period, full stop, end of story. HE has taught me to be unequivocal about that. That is why the Catholic church is also not of Him, period, full stop, end of story, but is ruled by another spirit, not the HOLY Spirit. The mixture of the unclean with clean makes the clean bits unclean. We are told to come out and touch not the unclean thing. Have nothing to do with mixture in other words. The "clean" parts just act as bait drawing and luring souls to the lies (unclean).
Behold
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You "preach and teach" a false Gospel. @Episkopos
Your teaching and your Gospel offends God's Grace and denies "justificaiton by Faith".
So i'll show you the correct Gospel that Paul explains.., again.
Look again in Romans...
Paul's verse...
Notice carefully.... Romans 10..
"for with the heart a person BELIEVES...... = unto RIGHTEOUSNESS">.
"Believes UNTO>.... Righteousness"..........not by works.
See that = "righteousness'........that came from God to the BELIEVER, as "The GIFT of Righteousness", and now they are "Made Righteous".
That is "the righteousness of FAITH"... Paul teaches.
That is "imputed righteousness".
Welcome to : Salvation.......Its "The Gift of Salvation"......given directly from God... through Christ's Cross, to the BELIEVER.
John 3:16 is the same explanation.. . as "eternal life" is the Gift of Righteousness., "imputed".
Behold
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Exactly, and Amen.
Paul teaches......."""""by one man's sin (Adam) all are made sinners, and by one man's OBEDIENCE.. (2nd Adam - Jesus)... MANY will be.... .....
= made RIGHTEOUS"..
"made righteous".....
Who are the 'many"?
Its "All who believe".....and receive from God....>"The Gift of Rightesousness"..
"Imputed righteousness".
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Sister... why do you keep replying and posting in Episkopos's threads? This is a sincere question.
This is false. Genuine humility is a fruit not only of the Spirit but also those who see themselves accurately before God. There is a human humility...that God accepts. Just like there is a human righteousness that God accepts. The fear of the Lord is also natural to those who can accept God's greatness and terror as something real.
So again, your imagination stops what is real in order to focus on the evil bent in human nature...that tries to pretend something is there when it isn't. Wait a minute...could you have been speaking of your own motivation when you mentioned self-righteous humility?
Quoting what you said earlier, when you fell from grace after 2 years living without sin you were devastated and you also said you learned genuine humility from that. Am I correct so far?
Why do you even think you have some sort of exclusive copyright that the Lord God learned you that pride is a terrible sin, and you as only one here in this thread has learned that?
You can not know and yet you judge.
Yes. I learned that the training of God is a LOT harder than I thought. God will let us fail spectacularly....He doesn't play "nice". He has an eternal perspective that fully takes us away from our own ideas. We tend to form ideas that are NOT eternal in nature. Hence the need to be corrected again and again. Straight lines take a person into a ditch.
I have been given a very deep understanding (a thorough training) of how we are to be judged by God. I warn fellow believers the way Jonah warned Nineveh. If I don't warn others with what I have been taught of the Lord, then people will accuse me on judgment day of keeping the truth to myself. And I will bear responsibility from God for not warning others. I'm like an evangelist to the church...getting conversions to the truth. I am a watchman and prophet because of all I have seen, heard and experienced. I was anointed for this by an experience of being smeared and rubbed as through a veil by big hands in the Spirit...it's what I saw..
I have so many such experiences...too much to tell...and people don't have faith anymore about what seems impossible.
Why me? I have no idea. And I don't expect people to believe me on my commission from God. Just read the verses and follow the logic, wisdom and knowledge laid out in the bible. Seek God for understanding. But it is necessary to not assume and presume anything...people have to get out from their religious imagination
I can know and judge with righteous judgement. To me, this is very basic. I have a ministry. I have no title and I was not trained by men, I have a much higher authority that teaches me. The Spirit of God teaches me and leads me and guides me into eternal things...into all sufficiency.
I'm like a traveler that has returned from a long trip...and is making a journal of all I saw. I'm like a spy that has investigated the kingdom realm that Jesus says we should seek first.
And this could be of interest to some. If it doesn't interest you, then why do you read my posts? I'm not trying to reach everybody..only those who it is given to go deeper with God.
Marvelloustime
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I was drawn to the topic of holiness here........the one thing I'm most interested in hearing about and discussing in recent years and I don't see it being discussed anywhere else.
There are certain things that Epi talks about that I agree with, in principle at least, and wanted to hear more about. Then I found out there are some serious foundational problems with his teachings. So to me those important foundational issues needed to be resolved and put to rest before going on to the issue of holiness - and I thought and hoped that Epi might be helped with those things. I kept hoping that we might be able to move on to talking about holiness with the right foundation in place. All along I have been wanting to discern and understand...wanting to get to the bottom of the problem. And the Lord has been faithful, only yesterday it finally became clear.
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