IF YOU BELIEVE WE CAN LOSE OUR SALVATION, PLEASE GIVE ME THE VERSE/VERSES THAT MAKE YOU BELIEVE THIS.

[DJT_47]

You missed the point relative to the question. The answer is YES, we can, just like they could, lose our salvation. The principle is the same as is the logic. If we were to renounce Christ after our conversion, we too would be guilty of subjecting Christ again to an open shame. It goes on to say that it's impossible to renew such an individual to repentance after doing such.

 

[Soyeong]

I have been informed that this topic has been exhausted, of which I am unaware. I would like to hear why you would believe we can lose salvation. MY ANSWERS MAY BE DIFFERENT


[Colossians 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

[1Corinthians 6:11 KJV] 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

[Colossians 1:20-21 KJV] 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

[Romans 5:1 KJV] 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

These verses say that we have been justified and reconciled to God thru faith in Christ.

Some say we can lose our salvation.

IF YOU BELIEVE WE CAN LOSE OUR SALVATION, PLEASE GIVE ME THE VERSE/VERSES THAT MAKE YOU BELIEVE THIS.

In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly. So if someone is participating in that training but then rejects the content of their gift of salvation by becoming a doer of what is ungodly and by renouncing doing what is godly, righteous, and good, then I don’t see any reason to think that they are still participating in that training.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus said "whoever believes in Me shall be saved." Yet, there is believing, and there is believing. If one believes they are a frog, it doesn't make them a frog.

The only believing salvation that is true is if "It is finished." If it is it is, and if it is not it is not.

Every passage named here is or is not likewise referring to true salvation.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).
This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."
Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.


The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."
This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.


James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
(James 5:19-20).
This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).
This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)
Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."Rev 14:12

 

[Doug]

There are dozens of scriptures where Christ and the Apostles warn that sinning can send you to hell or prevent you from going to heaven. And a good part of them involve correspondence with “churches”

2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad..

Matthew 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; Philippians 2:12

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:3-5 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

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2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad..

This is for the saints to be judged for reward

Matthew 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire.

This was spoken to Israel not us. It is teaching on entering the kingdom on earth

So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; Philippians 2:12

Work out your salvation to do the will of God and be blameless.....................[Phl 2:15 KJV] 15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”

[1Co 6:11 KJV] 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God...............................the next verse says such were some but they have been justified unto eternal life

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

[Gal 5:24-25 KJV] 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit...................he was exhorting us to not walk after the flesh but walk after the Spirit

Ephesians 5:3-5 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

[Eph 5:6 KJV] 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience....................................the wrath does not come on us.......................[Eph 5:7 KJV] 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them......we are exhorted not to be partakers with the wicked

 

[Behold]

If we were to renounce Christ after our conversion,

If you were to ""renounce Jesus""" after your conversion, then you're not saved to begin with.... you are just water baptized, religious and lost, petending to be a Chrisitan, because some Cult told you that you became one according to their rules and regulations, when in fact you didnt.

Whereas... if you "renounce Jesus" after you are born again, then you are still born again, as you can't stop being born again.
So, in this case, you dont have a Salvation issue, you have a mental and theological issue, only.
You have a deception issue.. = You dont understand God's Salvation and until you do understand it, you'll continue to be deceived thinking you can lose your salvation.
That is both a mental and theological issue.

 

[Doug]

Mt:12:36: But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Mt:5:22: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Hebrews 6:4-8
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7: For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Hebrews 10: 26-31
26: For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27: But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28: He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30: For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31: It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

2nd Peter 2:4-22
4: For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment 5: And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7: And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds 9: The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11: Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12: But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they nderstand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13: And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14: Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16: But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17: These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18: For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19: While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20: For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21: For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22: But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

2Cor:5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

2Pt:2:9: The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

2Pt:3:7: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Jude:1:15: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Rom:1:32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Rom:5:12: Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Rom:6:12: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Rom:6:13: Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Rom:6:16: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom:7:23: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

1Cor:15:56: The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Gal:3:22: But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Rom:3:23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

1Cor:6:18: Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth sexual immorality sinneth against his own body.

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Mt:5:22: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

These verses are part of the sermon on the mount teaching Israel about the kingdom on earth

Hebrews 6:4-8
4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7: For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

The book of Hebrews was written to Israel not us. They could fall away by escaping persecution and reverting back to the Levitical temple worship. They would not get a full inheritance in the kingdom

 

[Grailhunter]

This is for the saints to be judged for reward

2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body,

This was spoken to Israel not us. It is teaching on entering the kingdom on earth

So nothing Christ said was for Christians?

This is for the saints to be judged for reward

This was spoken to Israel not us. It is teaching on entering the kingdom on earth

Work out your salvation to do the will of God and be blameless.....................[Phl 2:15 KJV] 15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

[1Co 6:11 KJV] 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God...............................the next verse says such were some but they have been justified unto eternal life

[Gal 5:24-25 KJV] 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit...................he was exhorting us to not walk after the flesh but walk after the Spirit

[Eph 5:6 KJV] 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience....................................the wrath does not come on us.......................[Eph 5:7 KJV] 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them......we are exhorted not to be partakers with the wicked

Another evil arguing against morality. Look at the effort put into saying sinning is the way of Christianity.

 

[Grailhunter]

The book of Hebrews was written to Israel not us. They could fall away by escaping persecution and reverting back to the Levitical temple worship. They would not get a full inheritance in the kingdom

Prove it.

 

[Doug]

You missed the point relative to the question. The answer is YES, we can, just like they could, lose our salvation. The principle is the same as is the logic. If we were to renounce Christ after our conversion, we too would be guilty of subjecting Christ again to an open shame. It goes on to say that it's impossible to renew such an individual to repentance after doing such.

The book of Hebrews was written to Israel not us. They could fall away by escaping persecution and reverting back to the Levitical temple worship. They would not get a full inheritance in the kingdom

 

[Behold]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

The way to heaven is the "narrow Way".

Its Jesus.....as He is the 'ONLY WAY to the Father". John 14:6

Everyone who is born again, has already been there........they have entered "the Way". the "narrow way", and its "Through Christ".

This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

No one is your verse is a Christian, as Jesus has not died on The Cross yet, so your verse is not talking to Christians.

"If anyone does not abide in Me,

Your verse says to be """IN""" Christ.
You dont do that by working or trying to be good.

See, to be ""IN""" Christ is to be BORN AGAIN, as that is how you get "IN" Him........

"you must be born again", and once you are, then you always abide 'IN"Christ, as "One with God".

The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

Its possible to know all about Jesus, and know its all true, and know you should BELIEVE IN JESUS for Salvation.
Hell is filled with people who KNEW IT.
But you wait and do not put your faith in Him.. So, you know it, but you have not "BELIEVED" yet, unto Salvation, so you died and went to Hell.

This is the person who keeps waiting, for 20 yrs, yet they know they should trust in Christ every Sunday Service for 20 yrs.

This is the 17 yr old Girl, in the same Church who thinks.....>"well, i know i should trust in Christ.....but, im young and i want to live some first", i want to have some fun"". 'I'll get saved later".

In both cases they have the divine knowledge.....they have "tasted the heavenly" Gift.... = the HS has revealed the Truth to them.....but they decided to WAIT.
So, they fell away from the Truth, instead of entering in, by BELIEVING.

See, KNOWING is not the same as BELIEVING...
Having the enlightenment........or having tasted the heavenly gift, is not the same as putting your faith in it, and actually becomeing a born again Christian.

 

[Doug]

In Titus 2:11-13, the content of our gift of salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly. So if someone is participating in that training but then rejects the content of their gift of salvation by becoming a doer of what is ungodly and by renouncing doing what is godly, righteous, and good, then I don’t see any reason to think that they are still participating in that training.

They dont lose salvation but will have consequences in this life and lost reward in the next

 

[Soyeong]

They dont lose salvation but will have consequences in this life and lost reward in the next

That does explain how someone who renounce that training can still accurately be compared to be participating in it.

 

[Doug]

2nd Corinthians :5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body,

So nothing Christ said was for Christians?


Another evil arguing against morality. Look at the effort put into saying sinning is the way of Christianity.

So nothing Christ said was for Christians?

It was for Israel but we can learn from it. All that said to us was revealed by Christ thru Paul.

Another evil arguing against morality. Look at the effort put into saying sinning is the way of Christianity.

That is a very narrow view in saying some scripture is not required for us to obey means all of it does not. Paul admonishes us not to sin.

 

[Doug]

The way to heaven is the "narrow Way".

Its Jesus.....as He is the 'ONLY WAY to the Father". John 14:6

Everyone who is born again, has already been there........they have entered "the Way". the "narrow way", and its "Through Christ".



No one is your verse is a Christian, as Jesus has not died on The Cross yet, so your verse is not talking to Christians.



Your verse says to be """IN""" Christ.
You dont do that by working or trying to be good.

See, to be ""IN""" Christ is to be BORN AGAIN, as that is how you get "IN" Him........

"you must be born again", and once you are, then you always abide 'IN"Christ, as "One with God".




Its possible to know all about Jesus, and know its all true, and know you should BELIEVE IN JESUS for Salvation.
Hell is filled with people who KNEW IT.
But you wait and do not put your faith in Him.. So, you know it, but you have not "BELIEVED" yet, unto Salvation, so you died and went to Hell.

This is the person who keeps waiting, for 20 yrs, yet they know they should trust in Christ every Sunday Service for 20 yrs.

This is the 17 yr old Girl, in the same Church who thinks.....>"well, i know i should trust in Christ.....but, im young and i want to live some first", i want to have some fun"". 'I'll get saved later".

In both cases they have the divine knowledge.....they have "tasted the heavenly" Gift.... = the HS has revealed the Truth to them.....but they decided to WAIT.
So, they fell away from the Truth, instead of entering in, by BELIEVING.

See, KNOWING is not the same as BELIEVING...
Having the enlightenment........or having tasted the heavenly gift, is not the same as putting your faith in it, and actually becomeing a born again Christian.

The way to heaven is the "narrow Way".

Sorry but Jesus was not speaking about heaven, he was speaking of Israel entering the kingdom on earth

 

[DJT_47]

If you were to ""renounce Jesus""" after your conversion, then you're not saved to begin with.... you are just water baptized, religious and lost, petending to be a Chrisitan, because some Cult told you that you became one according to their rules and regulations, when in fact you didnt.

Whereas... if you "renounce Jesus" after you are born again, then you are still born again, as you can't stop being born again.
So, in this case, you dont have a Salvation issue, you have a mental and theological issue, only.
You have a deception issue.. = You dont understand God's Salvation and until you do understand it, you'll continue to be deceived thinking you can lose your salvation.
That is both a mental and theological issue.

Scripture clearly teaches you are saved upon belief AND baptism into the body of Christ which makes you a Christian. That's exactly what Jesus meant by his words in Mk 16:15-16. Can't be any clearer than that (below).

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[DJT_47]

The book of Hebrews was written to Israel not us. They could fall away by escaping persecution and reverting back to the Levitical temple worship. They would not get a full inheritance in the kingdom

So, if a Christian today were to renounce Christ and become a Muslim, then what? That's precisely what Hebrews was teaching to them except they would have been returning to their OT religious ways. Same exact scenario. So, Hebrews can and does have applicability to us today.

 

[Berean]

Did Ananias and Sapphira lose their salvation? - Acts 5:1-11

 

[Doug]

Scripture clearly teaches you are saved upon belief AND baptism into the body of Christ which makes you a Christian. That's exactly what Jesus meant by his words in Mk 16:15-16. Can't be any clearer than that (below).

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

This passage was directed to Israel not us. The gospel in Mark is the gospel of the kingdom. The promised kingdom on earth in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years. Jesus commanded this only to the twelve........................[Mar 16:15 KJV] 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

We dont have to be water baptized that was for Israel. Israel was water baptized for forgiveness of sins.....................
[Mar 1:4 KJV] 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Last look at this passage.........................
[Mar 16:17-18 KJV] 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.....................ALL OF THESE SIGNS MUST BE EXHIBITED IF SAVED.....................Jesus was saying those were saved by BELIEVING IN HIS NAME, Israel to have eternal life had to believe in Jesus's name, which was to believe he was Christ, the Son of God.................[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[Doug]

So, if a Christian today were to renounce Christ and become a Muslim, then what? That's precisely what Hebrews was teaching to them except they would have been returning to their OT religious ways. Same exact scenario. So, Hebrews can and does have applicability to us today.

We are saved by believing the gospel that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose for our justification. We are justified and cant become unjust by our actions. We can lose reward at the judgement seat of Christ.