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The Mark of the Beast is here!
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Ronald Nolette
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Well the Mark will come from the false prophet as it is written! It will occur at the mid point of the trib after the antichrist rises from the dead.
The MoB may well be a digital "mark" placed on ones forehead or right hand, but we will have to wait to see. Be careful in assertin bold facts about the things yet to come.
Other sincere believers thought these were the Mob and they were just arong.
1.Social Security numbers.
2. Credit cards
3.Then UPC codes
4. Then debit cards.
5. Then QR codes.
Now the latest is digital currency.
I do know one thing. all these are leading up to and indoctrinating people to a cashless society and brining people to accept a mark. But the real Mark of the Beast will also be a sign of acceptance of the Antichrist as Messiah and not just a way to do commerce.
Actually, it will be the Image of the Beast that causes/promotes the mark of the Beast that has 10H. The lamb like beast with two horns is the USA (the false prophet) who makes fire [WMDs] come down from heaven in the sight of men.
It appears that we have much to differ on. But that is OK, for everyone who is "born again" and is "watching", they will not be caught off guard.
In the KJV there is no "THE" Great tribulation for 3.5 years or 7.0 years.
However, there is an unspecified amount of time "of great tribulation".
Also, there is no singular man called "THE" antichrist.
All of that misunderstanding is a fabrication due to not interpreting Dan. 9:24-27 correctly. The 70th week WAS established during the ministry of Jesus while he was in mortal flesh confirming the New covenant for 3.5 years, and then in the Holy Spirit for the latter 3.5 years, he continued confirming the New covenant with the Apostles.
Quite literally, the 70th week is about Jesus, and Pentecost onward, even to this day.
Yes, there have been speculations, but that is OK because Jesus told us ALL to WATCH!!
And if we are watching, the real thing will eventually appear, and those who are watching will not miss it, in spite of the many times "the boy cries wolf".
Cashless society, absolutely!!
Just think on that alone, and you will know that after invisible digital cash to "buy and sell" with, there is nothing else to come after it. Yes, the mark of the beast is here!!
There is no singular man that shall be called "THE Antichrist" that will be called Messiah. But there IS "THAT spirit of antichrist" which is singular that invades and infects multitudes of people.
The new religion of worship in the world now is to "Save the Earth, which today is known as the "Luciferean Doctrine". And of course that would stand to reason, because the earth is satan's only home.
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Ronald Nolette
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Well the FP will be in Israel at this time. and I do not think it will be wmd's. After all it is a miraculous sign and causes people to take the mark.
Yes there is a man called antichrist- that specific title is found in 1 JOhn.
Yes there is a specified time - it is also known as the 70th week of Daniel, great tribulation, tribulation, time of Jacobs sorrow, time of darkness , tome of mourning etc.
Other titles for the antichrist are, man of lawlessness, man of sin, the beast, etc.
You have the 70th week all screwed up.
Here are the events of the 70th week:
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Here are your mistakes.
1. Jesus cannot be the one who ratifies the covenant. the he of 27 must refer back to its nearest antecedant which is the prince to come!
Also Jesus, did not make a covenant with Israel ever while on earth. He gave His blood to seal the New covenant, but the new covenant is Jer. 31.
2. Jesus did not end the sacrifices and oblations. they continued until 70AD. If He meant the efficcy of those sacrifices, which He did end, He would have said so. He doesn't need us to edit Him.
3. The 70 weeks oare for Jews and Israel! vse24. they are desinged to finish one transgression, end sins, to make reconciliation (Jews must) bring in everlasting righteousness, to finish visions and prophecy and anoint Jesus as King. Remember God is very specific in who the 70 weeks are for! Jews!
4. you make 69 1/2 weeks literal or 487 years and then you allegorize the last three to mean 1995 years so far. that is failing exegesis, eisegesis, grammar and hermeneutics!
Sorry but you cannot bounce from literal to allegorical and reinterpret passages to fit your idea! We must fit our ideas into what Scripture says, and not what we wish it to say.
And you think that I am screwed up??
In KJV Dan. 9:24 there are six works of God that needed to be completed/finished within the 70 weeks of years prophecy.
1. Who was it that finished the six works of God? (John 17:4)
2. Which member of the God head applies those six works of God (verse 24) to the life of those who were void of God (desolate), but now believe in Christ? (See the answer in Dan. 9:27, then in Acts 2:17-18, 10:45).
Ronald Nolette
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Sorry but you are woefully wrong!
Show me where Jesus did this for Israel and Jerusalem as is what the angel declared the 70 weeks were for:
1. Finished one transgression (this is singular)
2. Ended sins. Last I looked Jews are still sinning.
3. When did Israel make reconciliation for iniquity? Some have by becoming Christians, but this requires all at one point in time.
4. When did everlasting righteousness land on planet earth? Have you looked around lately? Is Israel in righteousness now?
5. When diud visions and prophecy (teaching) fill up? for Israel.
6. when did the Israelites anoint Jesus?
Remember who these words were addressed to:
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
REinterpreting Scripture to fit your ideas is privately interpreting the Scriptures!
The Lord's Truth is stranger than the fiction of "the wisdom of men"- Earburner.
Who told you that it is OK to take the 70th week of Jesus and move that period of time of 7 years into the far future of our day?
Have you, and the Bible colleges become God Almighty, thinking that you/they can move "time" from a former Age, and then re-attach it to a latter Age??
Do you not know that it was Jesus who was confirming the New covenant for 3.5 years while in His mortal flesh, and then by His Holy Spirit, He continued confirming the New covenant for an additional 3.5 years with the Apostles and the early church.
l suggest that by "the mind if Christ" within you (1 Cor. ch. 2), that you listen to His Mind as you re-study KJV Daniel 9:24 with the Strong's Concordance, and learn "what the Holy Spirit teaches", as opposed to the teachings of "the wisdom of men" in church-ianity!
KJV Dan. 9[24] Seventy H7657 weeks H7620 are determined H2852 upon thy people H5971 and upon thy holy H6944 city, H5892 to finish H3607 the transgression, H6588 and to make an end H8552 H2856 of sins, H2403 and to make reconciliation H3722 for iniquity, H5771 and to bring in H935 everlasting H5769 righteousness, H6664 and to seal up H2856 the vision H2377 and prophecy, H5030 and to anoint H4886 the most H6944 Holy. H6944.
Please continue doing so right through KJV Dan. 9:27. and learn what it was that was "determined" to be "finished" and then was "poured" upon the "desolate", aka those who were void [desolate] of God, but repented and believed in Jesus. Acts 2:17-28, 10:45. Therefore, all of such have received the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, which had never been before since Adam and Eve.
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Ronald Nolette
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I didn't know Jesus was a Priince of the roman people. for that is the person who makes the covenant with the many for 7 years, not over 2000 years. Just because the word covenant appears, doesn't make it the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31.
Who gave you the authority to take the last 3 1/2 yearsw and not make them 1995 years and coting?
So does this mean you do not belong to a local fellowship of believers? And what about all the others who like you claim to have the mind of Christ and that they come up with other strange interpretations that differ from yours. Why are all they wrong and you right when trhey also claim to have the mind of Christ? Because you say so?
A concordance is nice for basic and rudimentary language aid. I prefer to use more pronounced dictionaries and linguistic studies and parsing guided.
This you did not learn from God or from a concordance or any language tools. You have wrongly reinterpreted determined and desolate to fit your false reinterpretation of the passage.
Have it the way you want, but verse 27 fully explains WHICH "HE" is confirming the covenant.
KJV Dan. 9[27] And HE [Jesus] shall confirm the [New] covenant with many for one week [3.5+3.5=7.0 yrs.]: and in the midst of the week HE [Jesus- by the sacrifice of himself] shall cause the [Temple] sacrifice and the oblation [services] to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations HE [Jesus] shall make it [Israel] desolate [void of God], even until the consummation [the end of time], and that determined [the "finished" six works of God- vs. 24] shall be POURED upon the desolate [the unsaved who have faith in Jesus, aka Pentecost, even upto today.]
I didn't. The last 3.5 years were completed by Jesus through His Holy Spirit by teaching (confirming the New covenant) through the 12 Apostles of the early church. That you cannot deny.
How is it that not many Christians understand the 3 comings of Christ, when the OC. prophets speak of all 3 taking place in the world.
1. Jesus came in the flesh.
2. Jesus is coming to us each by His Spirit
3. Jesus shall come again in His Immortality and flaming fire.
Yes. The basics for understanding the Hebrew language and its many meanings of words.
The wisdom of men crunch words, syllables and genders.
The Mind of Christ compares spiritual things with spiritual.
Try it again, in the first part of this post, of how it is Jesus who is "confirming the covenant" etc.
John. 5[39] Search the [OT.] scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Ronald Nolette
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That is grammatically impossible.
the He you mention must refer back to the nearest antecedent that matches gender and number. That is the prince of the people that shall come and destroy the sanctuary which was 70AD so the "HE" is a prince of theer roman empire, either at the time of Daniel, the time of Jesus, or the time of its fulfilment.
Cite the covenant jesus made at the beginning of HIs ministry. there is no biblical listing of a covenant Jesus made
YOU have redefined the word determined and the term desolate to your own harm.
Ronald Nolette
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So then point to the place and time of history when these were literally fulfilled:
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
So show when these were fulfilled no later than 40AD.
The last work of the Lord Jesus towards the disciples, was to replace Judas Iscarriot. And that He did by choosing and selecting Saul (Paul) while traveling on the road to Damascus, approx. 33-40AD. Acts 9:1-6.
On the other hand, just before Pentecost, Matthias was a "50/50 raffle", rigged by Peter between only 2 candidates to replace Judas Iscarriot. Matthias was not the choice of Jesus, but rather Peter. Acts 1:23-26.
Since there are no books of Matthias' writing, or history of what became of him, it may be that while on the island of cannibals, he became an item on their menu.
In the Garden of Gethsemane, while in prayer, Jesus acknowledged that his end was near and agreed with God the Father that the work that HE gave Him to do was finished.
John 17
[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Q. What was that work that needed to be finished??
A. Dan. 9:24
The sealing up of the vision and prophecy of that work (Dan. 9:24-27) took place during the sacrificial death of Jesus. While He was shedding his innocent blood, He reiterated that the work was indeed finished:
John 19
[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
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In literal words no, but in the beginning of His ministy, He implied the New covenant by His parable of the old wine and the New wine in Mark 2:22; and by the miracle He performed at the marriage in John 2:1-10.
Dan. 9:27 is referencing the Six works of God in 9:24. Those six works were "determined" (decreed) by God to be performed and finished by Christ in the 70th week.
Actually no. In Dan. 9:27, it's fulfillment in Luke 13:35, is that of the Greek word for "desolate" which means: wilderness, desert, loneliness, emptiness, abandoned.
Through repentance, belief and faith in Christ, in one's own conversion into a NEW creature, the Holy Spirit is "poured" out upon all who are "desolate", who are void of God in the world.
1 Cor. 2
[5] That YOUR faith should NOT stand in the wisdom of men, BUT in the power of God.
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, NOT in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
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Ronald Nolette
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Yes Paul being Gods choice to replace Judas is an interesting hypothesis. but the 11 accepted Matthias as an apostle so that is who became the twelfth
Your second line is all speculative without biblical warrant.
there are no books from the apostles James (two of them as the epistle is from Jesus half brother) , none from Philip, Bartholomew, Thaddeus and Simon Zelotes. shall we write them off as well as Matthias
That is your speculation. but Dan. 9:24 are works given to Israel (plural) and Jerusalem. Not jESUS
Maybe somebody should have told Stephen, Paul and John . they all had visions long after you say that the visions were sealed. But let us assume for a moment you are correct in your allegorical reinterpretation of Dan. 9:24-27. Please show from history how and when all six works the angel gave to the nation of Israel and Jerusalem were finished by Jesus.
Sorry, but no one accepts your opinion on this! Implications cannot and do not form the basis for any sound doctrine. Lots of unsound doctrine, but no sound ones.
Your grammar and definitions are atrocious!
Desolate is a verb! It is also singular and not plural so it refers tro one person only! and desolate is "samem", it is in the Qal and means:
- (Qal)
- to be desolated, be deflowered, be deserted, be appalled
- to be appalled, be awestruck
- It is an action that is performed upon a person. You need to study
I have that Spirit.
So you have no fellowship and are not under a pastor teacher. That is sin. - You say grammar, which God created for us to communicate knowledgably is the wisdom of men. and anyone who disagrees with you is thinking with "churchianity"9your owrd). so you are imnplicating hundreds of millions of falsely understanding the word of God. WOW!
According to the religions of church-ianity, Matthias is "their" man. But as to Jesus' choice for Judas' replacement, it most definitely was Paul.
My point was that BEFORE Pentecost, Peter took it upon himself to inform God through the game of a 50/50 Raffle of who the replacement for Judas would be.
The same holds true today. Many are holding church office/positions who were never called by God to be there. Matthias was one of them.
I would suggest that you quickly recant and then explain who it actually was that performed those six works of God, that is if you understand them.
Sadly you misunderstand. It was the vision and the prophecy of Daniel's 70 weeks that was to be sealed.
It was in the midst of the 70th week that the Messiah was to finish the six works that God gave him to "finish".
Sorry, but I must ask: Are you Jewish?
If not, then I am perplexed as to why you as a professing Christian can not see what Jesus purchased and acquired for us all, through His death on the cross.
It was everything of the six works of God, that are found in Dan. 9:24.
Yes, the word is "desolate".
Thank you! You are doing a fine job in agreeing with me, that every unsaved person has been made to be desolate, deserted and void of God. All of Israel as well, when the KoG was taken from them and given to another "nation" who are "born again Christians".
It's good to know that. Therefore according to 1 Cor. 2, you should not be alarmed by what I speak of.
1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Jumping to false conclusions and false accusations. I see no need to defend anything.
That all depends on who one's teacher is.
Is it by denominational Bible colleges and/or Church seminary, or is it by what the Holy Spirit teaches?
ALL should read, study and digest 1 Cor. ch.2
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Concerning the 70 week prophecy and the 70th week, many Christians are being duped and misled in their understanding of KJV Dan. 9:24-27. It's not due to misreading the book of Daniel, but rather intentionally misinterpreting it for the sake of holding to an extremely false doctrine, called Pre-millennialism
In that concept of belief, it is understood that the 70th week is separated from the 69 weeks and pushed out into the far future to this present day, and therefore shall be re-attached to time again for a duration of 7 years, when a fictitious character, they call "THE" Antichrist, shall take control of the Rebuilt Jewish Temple(??).
Here is the correct understanding of what the 70th week is all about, and WHEN it was fulfilled.
Dan. 9[24] Seventy weeks [of years] are determined [decreed by God] upon thy people and upon thy holy city, [for God] TO....
1. FINISH [to complete] the transgression [rebellion since Adam and Eve] and
2. to make an end [the taking away] of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation [atonement] for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness [through faith in Jesus], and
5. to seal up [to make an end, to complete] the vision and prophecy [of Dan. 9:24-27], and
6. to anoint [consecrate/glorify] the most Holy.
For all of the six works that Jesus "finished", the results of it is found in the Gift of God's Holy Spirit. Therefore to all who agree with God that they are desolate [void of God], and do repent towards God, having faith in His Son Jesus, they are shown to be the recipients of those six works of God through the pouring out of the Gift of God's Holy Spirit. Dan. 9:27.
See also: Acts 2:17-18, 10:45.
Jesus attested to that work which was given for him to do, as shown in Dan. 9:24.
John 17[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
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So then, ever since Pentecost, Jesus has been building the Lord's temple, which is the permanent place of God's indwelling, being that of living within His people.
2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure [God Himself] in [our] earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
John 14:23; 1 Peter 2:5.
"ALL of the churches have SOME of His Truth, but NONE of the churches have ALL of His Truth"- Earburner.
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In that concept of belief, it is understood that the 70th week is separated from the 69 weeks and pushed out into the far future to this present day, and therefore shall be re-attached to time again for a duration of 7 years, when a fictitious character, they call "THE" Antichrist, shall take control of the Rebuilt Jewish Temple(??).
Here is the correct understanding of what the 70th week is all about, and WHEN it was fulfilled.
Dan. 9[24] Seventy weeks [of years] are determined [decreed by God] upon thy people and upon thy holy city, [for God] TO....
1. FINISH [to complete] the transgression [rebellion since Adam and Eve] and
2. to make an end [the taking away] of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation [atonement] for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness [through faith in Jesus], and
5. to seal up [to make an end, to complete] the vision and prophecy [of Dan. 9:24-27], and
6. to anoint [consecrate/glorify] the most Holy.
For all of the six works that Jesus "finished", the results of it is found in the Gift of God's Holy Spirit. Therefore to all who agree with God that they are desolate [void of God], and do repent towards God, having faith in His Son Jesus, they are shown to be the recipients of those six works of God through the pouring out of the Gift of God's Holy Spirit. Dan. 9:27.
See also: Acts 2:17-18, 10:45.
Jesus attested to that work which was given for him to do, as shown in Dan. 9:24.
John 17[4] I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
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So then, ever since Pentecost, Jesus has been building the Lord's temple, which is the permanent place of God's indwelling, being that of living within His people.
2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure [God Himself] in [our] earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
John 14:23; 1 Peter 2:5.
"ALL of the churches have SOME of His Truth, but NONE of the churches have ALL of His Truth"- Earburner.
Does the temple need to be rebuilt?
Does the Jewish temple need to be rebuilt before Jesus returns?
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Ronald Nolette
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And you only have feelings and opinions to back that up! while gods word says Matthias was chosen.
And my7 point is that God who inspired the word of God, said Matthias was an apostle. According to you God lied!
I cannot recant for it is Scripture!
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Rea teh verse and see who the angel says who and what city are involved.
You reinterpret it to fit I think a preterist agenda.
I know Jesus purchased salvation for all who believe but that is not what Dan. 9:24 says- it says Israel is to do things! Not Jesus!
But I am still waiting for you to show fro history when Jesus accomplished all six things as written.
Sorry but teh desolate of Daniel is singular and not plural. You learn these things when you learn basic grammar.
And why shoulod I accept your spiritual reinterpretations of Scripture? You have joined the ranks of legions who all make the same claim as you and disagree with you with their spiritual reinterpretations YOu are doing the same as thousands before you.
So do you belong to a local assembly of believers and under the authority of a pastor teacher as commanded in Scripture?
And you have made your self the spokesperson for the Holy Spirit by self proclamation. for if anyone disagrees with , you have already declared they are part of "churchianity". In relaity you have lifted yourself above all other believers as the fount of truth.
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