WHO IS IT THAT DWELLS IN GOD?

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[1John 4:14-15 KJV] 14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

John saw the Lord Jesus, and was eyewitness to his glory.

John says Jesus, the Son of God, was sent to be the Saviour of the world. I don't think John in saying Jesus was sent to be the Saviour of the world is saying Jesus was sent to save all men and woman in this verse. I think that would not be consistent with what John wrote in the book of John. John said...........[John 1:10 KJV] 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not............I think John is speaking in a general sense of the world as being his creation. Jesus did not come to all in the world, but rather, to Israel, his own...............[John 1:11 KJV] 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

I do believe God wants, and purposed, that all be saved................[Isaiah 45:22 KJV] 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else.
[1Timothy 2:4 KJV] 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth..........I am only saying that the means, and the provision to save all was not being revealed by John.

John preached eternal salvation by believing in the name of Jesus...............[John 1:12 KJV] 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:.............Israel to be eternally saved had to believe in Jesus, they had to believe in his name, they had to believe he was Christ, the Son of God...............[John 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name
[1John 3:23 KJV] 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
[1John 5:13 KJV] 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.........John was not preaching the cross.

John wrote the John 3:16-18 passage, and similarities can be seen in 1 John 4:14-15. Both the John 3:16-18 passage, and 1 John 4:14-15 passage, speak of Christ Jesus being sent to the world................ [John 3:16-18 KJV] 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Both passages speak of belief in his name, that Jesus is Christ, the Son of God, for eternal salvation..............[1John 4:15 KJV] 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
[John 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John's preaching centered solely on believing on the name of Jesus for eternal life. According to John, Jesus was the Saviour of the world to all who would only believe on his name.




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In response to your post title. Who is it that dwells in God?

All those who were baptized into the Lord's body.
Ok got it
I have a question for you..........baptized how?...........by the Spirit or by water?
 

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"One Lord one faith one baptism". Go back to John's baptism as the beginning. It was by immersion in the Jordan river.
So correct me if I am wrong but I take it you think we have foregiveness of sins by water baptism
 

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So correct me if I am wrong but I take it you think we have foregiveness of sins by water baptism
Why wouldn't I think that? It's what the bible says! And why wouldn't anyone else?

1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Mk 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 

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Oh, really? I'm shocked!! So, which one is it, since there's only one according to scripture, and exactly how does that happen, according to scripture??

There are about 7 Baptisms listed in the Bible.

The one that saves is Ephesians 4:5

This is God's Holy Spirit birthing the believer's spirit as "In Christ"...>"one with God".......= Born again.

Thats not the city water supply doing that... as water is just water.
 
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There are about 7 Baptisms listed in the Bible.

The one that saves is Ephesians 4:5

This is God's Holy Spirit birthing the believer's spirit as "In Christ"...>"one with God".......= Born again.

Thats not the city water supply doing that... as water is just water.
One faith one Lord one baptism, so which one is it? ? And how does it happen according to scripture??
 

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One faith one Lord one baptism, so which one is it? ? And how does it happen according to scripture??

Spiritual baptism is the "one baptism".

This is God causing a sinner to become "a new Creation, In Christ"., by "spiritual BIRTH".
The Holy Spirit causes this Spiritual Birth in a BELIEVER........not water.
Water is just water.

Holy water is no different then what comes out of your faucet. its just WATER.
 

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Spiritual baptism is the "one baptism".

This is God causing a sinner to become "a new Creation, In Christ"., by "spiritual BIRTH".
The Holy Spirit causes this Spiritual Birth in a BELIEVER........not water.
Water is just water.

Holy water is no different the what comes out of your faucet. its just WATER.
So where in the bible does it say how that happens? What is the process by which you're saved by spiritual baptism? John baptized in the Jordan river which was a precursor for baptism into Christ. Both are the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, except John's wasn't a baptism into Christ (Acts 2:38).The Ethiopian eunuch was baptized in Acts 8. That was by immersion in water. So, explain your logic as opposed to the scriptures? Jesus referred to the necessity of repentance and remission of sins in Luke 24:47; what did he mean? Was that reference not the same as John's baptism or the baptism of Acts 2:38? What did Jesus mesn if not that?
 

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So where in the bible does it say how that happens?


Jesus said "you must be born again".......

Jesus said......"noone can see the KOG unless they are born again". (Born from Above).

Above = God is doing it.

Water is just water.
 

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Why wouldn't I think that? It's what the bible says! And why wouldn't anyone else?

1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Mk 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Why wouldn't I think that? It's what the bible says! And why wouldn't anyone else?
It is Biblical, but not dispensational.
1 Peter 3:21

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
This is written to Jews not us. .Israel had to believe Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God and be baptized for the remission of sins. The resurrection saved believing Israel in that he is alive and will return to establish his earthly kingdom. Their belief and baptism would save them to enter the kingdom.
Mk 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
This was commanded to the twelve apostles not us. They were to preach the gospel of the kingdom in the tribulation.
Acts 22:16

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
This occured 3 days after Paul was converted and would have limited, if any revelations. Paul was baptized by a devout Jew. Paul would give no offence to the Jews and the law and so was baptized. Later he said he was not sent to baptize Water baptism was commanded believing Israel and did remit their sins
 

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Jesus said "you must be born again".......

Jesus said......"noone can see the KOG unless they are born again". (Born from Above).

Above = God is doing it.

Water is just water.
How does the bible say we are born again? How does this happen and at what point? And the kingdom is here now on the earth. How do you become part of the kingdom? And fyi, no one ever said the water itself does anything. Its not the water, it's obedience! Read the OT account of Naaman who had to dip 7 times in the filthy Jordan river to be cleansed of his leprosy. Was it the water or his obedience? Same here inbthe NT. It ain't the water that cleanses you of sin, it's your obedience, but by not doing it, you're not obedient and will not be saved!
 

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How does the bible say we are born again? How does this happen and at what point?
John 1:12-13 KJV
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Much love!
 
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John 1:12-13 KJV
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Much love!
Belief only? That negates many scriptures that say more than just belief is required. Belief only is a false, unscriptural, and dangerous doctrine that will not save your soul.
 
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