Tuly is responding here below (not Hillage) I cannot rid this post of the stuff that is coming off his response
Does the Bible contradict itself? - Reader Poll (and discussion)
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Tuly is responding here below (not Hillage) I cannot rid this post of the stuff that is coming off his response
Hillsage
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I gave you a specific translation of the bible. I use 7 translations at a time on my computer screen and I gave you the one you can't prove whatever litmus theology crap you keep asking for. I've seen you post that same diatribe many times on multiple threads and nobody answers you. Get a CLUE as to the common denominator why no one ever does. IT'S YOU and your question which is..s..st..stu.....well let me just be humble and say; it's never ON TOPIC.
I asked you for the subject. Why does that upset you so much?
So you still won't tell me the subject. lolI use 7 translations at a time on my computer screen and I gave you the one you can't prove whatever litmus theology crap you keep asking for. I've seen you post that same diatribe many times on multiple threads and nobody answers you. Get a CLUE as to the common denominator why no one ever does. IT'S YOU and your question which is..s..st..stu.....well let me just be humble and say; it's never ON TOPIC.
Do you need permission from the OLD men?
Hillsage
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I gave you a love emoji, because I have the same issue with this site. Always having to 'refresh' a screen when it shouldn't need it. Copy/paste issues like you just had. Put an emoji at the end of a sentence and then you can't get the cursor to go back to the left side of the emoji at all.
As for your last post you aren't dealing with the explanation that I shared in my last post. So let me just ask you this; Do you believe that every translation of the bible was literally written by God? If you do, then why aren't they all the same? We're in Branson for the weekend and I need to get back to the family.
Okie dokie.
John 1:1 (YLT)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
John 1:14 (YLT)
14 And the Word became flesh,
Luke 16:22-28 (YLT)
22 The rich man died, and was buried; 23 and in the hades having lifted up his eyes, being in torments, ...
24 and having cried, he said, Father Abraham, deal kindly with me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and may cool my tongue, because I am distressed in this flame. 25 `And Abraham said, Child, remember that thou did receive--thou--thy good things in thy life, and Lazarus in like manner the evil things, and now he is comforted, and thou art distressed;
26 and besides all these things, between us and you a great chasm is fixed, so that they who are willing to go over from hence unto you are not able, nor do they from thence to us pass through. 27 `And he said, I pray thee, then, father, that thou mayest send him to the house of my father, 28 for I have five brothers, so that he may thoroughly testify to them, that they also may not come to this place of torment.
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Hillsage
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Jhn 4:24 God is(a) Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.
I agree that God IS SPIRIT…and the WORD became FLESH. I also agree that the FLESH was the BODY of Jesus.
I believe you said “Eternal Hell”. I don’t see either of those words in any of these verses, so keep looking. After all this YLT translation of the bible is the LITERAL written word of God…right?
Yay Branson!! Only a few hours from me!! Hope you visited Titanic Museum! Fantastic!
Thanks for the fun with that
Not interested in that topic, I just wanted to show God spake by the mouth of the prophets, the follow up to that was just as interesting
(not necessarily to you, but to post it to the thread to whoever might be interested) here
Jerm 36:11 When Michaiah the son of Gemariah, the son of Shaphan, had heard out of the book all the words of the LORD,
Jerm 36:13 Then Michaiah declared unto them all the words that he had heard, when Baruch read the book in the ears of the people.
Jerm 36:15 And they said unto him, Sit down now, and read it in our ears. So Baruch read it in their ears.
Jerm 36:17 And they asked Baruch, saying, Tell us now, How didst thou write all these words at his mouth?
Jerm 36:18 Then Baruch answered them, He pronounced all these words unto me with his mouth, and I wrote them with ink in the book.
Jehudi read it also in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.
Jerm 36:22 Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.
And an example of how they treated the written words of God by the mouth of the prophet, it says
Jerm 36:25 And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
Jerm 36:24 Yet they were not afraid, nor rent their garments, neither the king, nor any of his servants that heard all these words.
God spake by the prophets, so after this
Jerm 36:27 Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,
Jerm 36:28 Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.
So again, he wrote the words from the mouth of God, which here is Jeremiah
Jerm 36:32 Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.
Jerm 37:2 But neither he, nor his servants, nor the people of the land, did hearken unto the words of the LORD, which he spake by the prophet Jeremiah.
You can go back and follow that through, but they are his mouth and its noted that they were not afraid to cast his words behind them or burn them in the fire. (Where will their end be? One might dare to ask)
In times past he spake through the former prophets
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
But now,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds
And so the Son of God has the final word on the last day
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (Deut 18:19)
God has spoken to us by His Son as God did by the former prophets
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. (Deut 18:18)
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
And so there is "these are written" so that believing ye might have life
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
You asked for YLT. I gave it. It says Jesus is God, as I quoted.
Ok, I'll quote YLT that you advised again.
Luke 16:22-28 (YLT)
22 The rich man died, and was buried; 23 and in the hades having lifted up his eyes, being in torments, ...
24 and having cried, he said, Father Abraham, deal kindly with me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and may cool my tongue, because I am distressed in this flame. 25 `And Abraham said, Child, remember that thou did receive--thou--thy good things in thy life, and Lazarus in like manner the evil things, and now he is comforted, and thou art distressed;
26 and besides all these things, between us and you a great chasm is fixed, so that they who are willing to go over from hence unto you are not able, nor do they from thence to us pass through. 27 `And he said, I pray thee, then, father, that thou mayest send him to the house of my father, 28 for I have five brothers, so that he may thoroughly testify to them, that they also may not come to this place of torment.
Hillsage
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We visited that 4 years ago. Our family has come to Branson every year since 1972. The motel called the newspaper and they did an interview and article on us 3 yeas ago on our 50 anniversary. We are in intermission for the play David right now with 23 family members.
there are no contradictions, its a Book easily misinterpreted, which has resulted in many false doctrines. It's a Book that requires God's help to understand it accurately. == Luke 10:21
Does the bible contradict itself?
No, but our traditional theology often does.
No, but our traditional theology often does.
is this a significant variation? Is it about a tenet? No.
Still, I should have been more specific.
There are Many contradictions between translations, and even some between ancient Biblical manuscripts / copies; they weren't / aren't inspired. But the Original writings were Inspired of Jehovah God. As Jesus said in prayer @ John 17:17. "Your Word is truth."
St. SteVen said:
When did the fig tree wither? (compare Matt 21/Mark 11)
I replied to your claim of no contradictions.
Your reply was about variations.
How does inspiration apply to variations?
Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus - Textual Criticism 101 - Berean Patriot
There are three major competing Greek sources to use for translating the New Testament: the Critical Text, the Majority Text, and the Textus Receptus. The science of assembling these manuscripts is called “Textual Criticism”, and you can consider this a complete Textual Criticism 101 article...
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Taken
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Does the Bible contradict itself? -
YES.
The Bible is a BOOK of Knowledge.
Similar is a Dictionary is a BOOK of Knowledge.
A TRUTH and A LIE are contradictions.
The Bible is a book containing knowledge “About” Terrestrial Beings, Celestial Beings, Visible, Invisible, Self Interactive and Dormant Relationships.
POINT BEING…
It is WHAT APPLIES to an individual, from moment to moment, THAT CAN CHANGE.
The CONCLUSION is Always IF…THEN
So DOES The BIBLE “reveal Contradictions” ?
YES…
Truth and Lies ?
Yes.
Salvation and Damnation ?
Yes.
Hope and Despair ?
Yes.
Right and Wrong ?
Yes.
Good and Evil ?
Yes.
Consequences for Choosing…
This OR That ?
Yes.
Glory to God,
Taken
YES.
The Bible is a BOOK of Knowledge.
Similar is a Dictionary is a BOOK of Knowledge.
A TRUTH and A LIE are contradictions.
The Bible is a book containing knowledge “About” Terrestrial Beings, Celestial Beings, Visible, Invisible, Self Interactive and Dormant Relationships.
POINT BEING…
It is WHAT APPLIES to an individual, from moment to moment, THAT CAN CHANGE.
The CONCLUSION is Always IF…THEN
So DOES The BIBLE “reveal Contradictions” ?
YES…
Truth and Lies ?
Yes.
Salvation and Damnation ?
Yes.
Hope and Despair ?
Yes.
Right and Wrong ?
Yes.
Good and Evil ?
Yes.
Consequences for Choosing…
This OR That ?
Yes.
Glory to God,
Taken
soberxp
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My latest understanding is that the whole Old Testament is God's expression of the first of the Ten Commandments,
There is no other word/God.
The NT, God teaching us What is God's word through Jesus Christ.
If you understand it that way, you won't find it contradictory.
There is no other word/God.
The NT, God teaching us What is God's word through Jesus Christ.
If you understand it that way, you won't find it contradictory.
David Lamb
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But that isn't the bible contradicting itself. The fact that it speaks of opposites like salvation and damnation isn't a contradiction (just to give one example from your pairings). It would be a contradiction if it said in one place that those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are saved, and in another place those who believe in Baal are saved, but of course it says no such thing.
