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Is He thin-skinned, or thick-skinned?

A person's view on this would probably be driven by their view of God's character.

- Is God a tyrant that would lash out at the least provocation?
- Are there certain human behaviors that would easily trigger Him?
- Are there lines that cannot be crossed?

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- Is God intimidated by human behavior?
- Does God view us as children and react appropriately?
- Is God emotionally stable?

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23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (2 Kings 2:23)

Apparently, God doesn't like it when you insult His prophets.

Now, was God personally insulted? And even though they were only boys, did the "disparity of force" of 42 of them give Elisha reasonable cause to fear "death or grievous bodily harm"? That would make it a case of God using a deadly weapon (two bears) to defend an innocent party.
 
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4b You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.
(Acts 5:4b-5)

Was God personally insulted at Ananias lying to Him? Or was it just a case of God needing to make an example of Ananias and Sapphira to preempt others from trying the same stunt?

I don't like either answer.
 
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23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. (2 Kings 2:23)

Apparently, God doesn't like it when you insult His prophets.

Now, was God personally insulted? And even though they were only boys, did the "disparity of force" of 42 of them give Elisha reasonable cause to fear "death or grievous bodily harm"? That would make it a case of God using a deadly weapon (two bears) to defend an innocent party.
That's an interesting example. I was also reminded of Elijah.
Fire came down and consumed two companies of fifty men.
The captain of the third company pleaded for their lives.

2 Kings 1:1-15 NIV
After Ahab’s death, Moab rebelled against Israel.
2 Now Ahaziah had fallen through the lattice of his upper room in Samaria and injured himself. So he sent messengers, saying to them, “Go and consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron, to see if I will recover from this injury.”
3 But the angel of the Lord said to Elijah the Tishbite, “Go up and meet the messengers of the king of Samaria and ask them, ‘Is it because there is no God in Israel that you are going off to consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron?’
4 Therefore this is what the Lord says: ‘You will not leave the bed you are lying on. You will certainly die!’” So Elijah went.
5 When the messengers returned to the king, he asked them, “Why have you come back?”
6 “A man came to meet us,” they replied. “And he said to us, ‘Go back to the king who sent you and tell him, “This is what the Lord says: Is it because there is no God in Israel that you are sending messengers to consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron? Therefore you will not leave the bed you are lying on. You will certainly die!”’”
7 The king asked them, “What kind of man was it who came to meet you and told you this?”
8 They replied, “He had a garment of hair[a] and had a leather belt around his waist.”
The king said, “That was Elijah the Tishbite.”
9 Then he sent to Elijah a captain with his company of fifty men. The captain went up to Elijah, who was sitting on the top of a hill, and said to him, “Man of God, the king says, ‘Come down!’”
10 Elijah answered the captain, “If I am a man of God, may fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men!” Then fire fell from heaven and consumed the captain and his men.
11 At this the king sent to Elijah another captain with his fifty men. The captain said to him, “Man of God, this is what the king says, ‘Come down at once!’”
12 “If I am a man of God,” Elijah replied, “may fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men!” Then the fire of God fell from heaven and consumed him and his fifty men.
13 So the king sent a third captain with his fifty men. This third captain went up and fell on his knees before Elijah. “Man of God,” he begged, “please have respect for my life and the lives of these fifty men, your servants!
14 See, fire has fallen from heaven and consumed the first two captains and all their men. But now have respect for my life!”
15 The angel of the Lord said to Elijah, “Go down with him; do not be afraid of him.” So Elijah got up and went down with him to the king.

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Was God personally insulted at Ananias lying to Him? Or was it just a case of God needing to make an example of Ananias and Sapphira to preempt others trying the same stunt?
In all three of these examples, God's people were wielding a power to bring harm or death on others.
God was not insulted directly. Although Peter accused Ananias of lying to the Holy Spirit. (God)

This was certainly a "turning over tables" approach.

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Was God personally insulted at Ananias lying to Him? Or was it just a case of God needing to make an example of Ananias and Sapphira to preempt others trying the same stunt?
Makes me wonder if God allowed the power to be used this way but didn't particularly approve?
Was the result a healthy, or unhealthy fear?

Acts 5:11 NIV
Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

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1 Kings 1:3 said:
3 But the angel of the Lord said to Elijah the Tishbite, “Go up and meet the messengers of the king of Samaria and ask them, ‘Is it because there is no God in Israel that you are going off to consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron?’
Did you run across this one researching "beelzeboul" for the "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" thread?

Interesting bit of Bible trivia: "Beelzebub" is a Greek transliteration of "Baal-Zebub", and it means in Hebrew, "Lord of the Flies". I'm reading William Golding's book of the same title now. But the Greek reads "Beelzeboul", which when transliterated back into Hebrew, "Baal-Zebul", or "Lord of Dung". Given that it's intended as an insult to a foreign god, it would properly be translated into English as "Lord of S***". But the KJV translators couldn't put THAT in the Bible, so they bowdlerized it as "Beelzelbub".
 

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Is He thin-skinned, or thick-skinned?

Unbelief is an insult to God.

IN fact, Romans 1 says that unbelievers are 'without excuse" as God has shown them Himself by the very fact of CREATION.

Also..

Any heresy that tries to present Salvation, as "everyone already has it" "there is no Hell".... is an insult to the Cross of Christ and that is a SERIOUS offense to God,...moreso then the average fornicating Christian.. for example.

Calvinism is another heresy that offends the Cross and the Christ by falsely teaching that "Jesus isn't for everyone"...

So, any type of TEACHING that attempts to negate Faith and The Cross as God has provided them, is BLASPHEMY... and some is worse then others.. but all of it is Offending God, on purpose.

Not a good idea.

Ive known at least 3 people who became obsessed with trying to cast doubt on the Bible, or they tried to prove that Jesus is a Myth.
They all died suffering, because that is the "sowing and reaping "... harsh Fruit that came back to them for their deeds, because.,,...,..

God. = IS NOT MOCKED.
 

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Did you run across this one researching "beelzeboul" for the "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" thread?
No, but it an interesting insight, thanks.

"Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron" is pretty specific.

But the Greek reads "Beelzeboul", which when transliterated back into Hebrew, "Baal-Zebul", or "Lord of Dung". Given that it's intended as an insult to a foreign god, it would properly be translated into English as "Lord of S***". But the KJV translators couldn't put THAT in the Bible, so they bowdlerized it as "Beelzelbub".
Perhaps "Beelzelbub" was just a catch word insult for any of many pagan gods.

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Can God be insulted?​


Is He thin-skinned, or thick-skinned?

A person's view on this would probably be driven by their view of God's character.

- Is God a tyrant that would lash out at the least provocation?
- Are there certain human behaviors that would easily trigger Him?
- Are there lines that cannot be crossed?

--- OR ---

- Is God not intimidated by human behavior?
- Does God view us as children and reacts appropriately?
- Is God emotionally stable?

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Can God be insulted?​

Is He thin-skinned, or thick-skinned?

A person's view on this would probably be driven
by their view of God's character.

- Is God a tyrant that would lash out at the least provocation?
- Are there certain human behaviors that would easily trigger Him?
- Are there lines that cannot be crossed?

--- OR ---

- Is God not intimidated by human behavior?
- Does God view us as children and reacts appropriately?
- Is God emotionally stable?

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Is He thin-skinned, or thick-skinned?

A person's view on this would probably be driven by their view of God's character.

- Is God a tyrant that would lash out at the least provocation?
- Are there certain human behaviors that would easily trigger Him?
- Are there lines that cannot be crossed?

--- OR ---

- Is God not intimidated by human behavior?
- Does God view us as children and reacts appropriately?
- Is God emotionally stable?

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'Let as many servants as are under the yoke
count their own masters worthy of all honour,
that the name of God and His doctrine

be not blasphemed.'
(1Tim 6:1)

Hello St. Steven,

Talking about God in these terms at all I find objectionable, for God is our Creator, and deserves our respect. To bring Him down to the level of the humanity He created, and talking about Him in human terms is demeaning. That He took upon Himself the form of a man and came and lived among us is beyond our ability to fully comprehend: but He did that because He loves us. He gave Himself for us, and in rising from the dead, opened up the way of life eternal for all who will place their trust in Him.

It is such behaviour on our part, who profess to know Him, and be known by Him, that causes Him to be blasphemed among the unbelieving.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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You sure you want to be dissin' persons with real power?

I remember an interaction between our CEO, a man who ran a 100 billion dollar company, a member of the Trilateral Commission (they used to be in the center of the conspiracy theories of the day), a man who could tell his secretary to get POTUS on the phone and he'd take the call, taking a Q&A from some software programmer who disagreed with Corporate strategy regarding his project. The CEO tolerated some disrespect - up to a point - before having to remind the young techie who had the power in the room. Somebody's manager got a phone call the next morning. I imagine it wasn't pleasant.

The power dynamic is ALWAYS there in the background. ALWAYS. That's reality. I understand it; I don't have to like it. I see it as a reminder in some of the biblical stories that make me VERY uncomfortable. Remember what "Grace" really means - favor extended by someone with power to someone on a much lower rung of the totem pole.
 
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Talking about God in these terms at all I find objectionable...
Clearly you can be insulted. But I was asking about God.
Your reaction is not uncommon for a Christian forum.
Thanks for your post.

I'll edit the questions to make them less objectionable.
Then you might make an attempt to answer them?
Are there things about God that are true that we dare not address?

- Does God lash out at the least provocation?
- Are there certain human behaviors that would easily trigger Him?
- Are there lines that cannot be crossed?

- Is God not intimidated by human behavior?
- Does God view us as children and reacts appropriately?
- Is God emotionally stable?

God holds us accountable to a level of morality.
Does He hold Himself to a lower standard?

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You sure you want to be dissin' persons with real power?
Good question.
But is a tyrant (whoever they might be) really worthy of genuine adoration and praise?

If God is like what Christians claim He is, the churches should be empty, except for those who are terrified by Him.

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Is He thin-skinned, or thick-skinned?

Teaching a false Gospel, would insult God.
Teaching that the bible can't be trusted, (errors in it) would insult God.
Pretending to be a christian and doing those 2 things on a "christian" forum, would insult God.

Do you think it would be possible for you to write a Thread that shows or gives God, Jesus, and the Bible, any Love.????. vs continual condenmation and mockery and lightly veiled hatred?
As you've never posted that type of Thread, yet on this forum... @St. SteVen
It woud be something new for you to try..., no doubt.
I dont think you are capable, but who knows, maybe you will surprise us.
 

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Good question.
But is a tyrant (whoever they might be) really worthy of genuine adoration and praise?

If God is like what Christians claim He is, the churches should be empty, except for those who are terrified by Him.

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When the kids are disrespecting their father, at what point does he need to stop being tolerant and reassert his parental authority?

My wife used to be an elementary school school teacher. She had one mother whose kid (4th grade; about 10 years old) not only would talk back to her and insult her publicly, but also punch her. She just let it happen. The Sweet Lady put an immediate stop to that nonsense and then took the mother aside and told her in no uncertain terms that she needed to start acting like a &@%%@^* parent.
 
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When the kids are disrespecting their father, at what point does he need to stop being tolerant and reassert his parental authority?
Agree.
But best, I think, if that is not accomplished with the use of a flame thrower.

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