IF YOU THINK MATTHEW 24:29-30 WAS FULFILLED IN 70AD PLEASE SHOW ME WHY

[Doug]

If you think Matthew 24:29-30 was fulfilled in 70AD I would like to hear why you believe so

[Mat 24:29-30 KJV] 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[ScottA]

Certainly Matthew 24:29-30 was fulfilled for some in 70AD, for that is the fanfare that all who died that year were greeted by. Which was and is true of every year...at least as counted from this worldly side of the equation. On the heavenly side, it is all one big event. Such is the transition from time to eternity.

Sorry Doug, that's not at all a reason why I believe it was all fulfilled in 70AD

 

[MatthewG]

Lets first realize the speaker.

Jesus. Also lets go back up a few chapter prior and work our way to this one you quoted.

Now, if you make it all about yourself. Isn't that a problem?

 

[HealthyShape]

The answer to "why" is quite simple and easy.

Because Jesus taught it will happen in the generation He was speaking to and that it will follow immediately after the distress in Jerusalem.

The temple and Jerusalem were destroyed in 70 AD.

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An answer to "how" will always be a bit speculative, because we were not there.

 

[Jay Ross]

If you think Matthew 24:29-30 was fulfilled in 70AD I would like to hear why you believe so

[Mat 24:29-30 KJV] 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Doug, you are right to question those who believe that Matthew 24:29-30 was fulfilled in 70 AD but there is another scripture which speaks of the fulfilment of Matt 24:29-30

Consider Isaiah 24:21-23 as it sheds light on when these verses will be fulfilled.



Notice that Matthew 24:29-31 also talks of the sun being ashamed and the moon being disgraced after which this is applicable: -

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

This certainly did not happen in 70 AD. This event is still a distant future event,

 

[HealthyShape]

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

This certainly did not happen in 70 AD. This event is still a distant future event,

Read Josephus, the Jewish War.

 

[Jay Ross]

Read Josephus, the Jewish War.

Consider what is happening in the world today when Isaiah 24:21-22 will unfold. It is probably closer to what has been prophesised in matt 24

 

[HealthyShape]

Consider what is happening in the world today when Isaiah 24:21-22 will unfold. It is probably closer to what has been prophesised in matt 24

Nope. And it is also ignoring that Mt 24 was said to happen in their generation which is long gone.

Jesus answered [to Peter], “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”
J 21:22 (this would make no sense with thousands of years, but it makes sense in the context of their life span)

 

[Jay Ross]

Nope. And it is also ignoring that Mt 24 was said to happen in their generation which is long gone.

Jesus answered [to Peter], “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”
J 21:22 (this would make no sense with thousands of years, but it makes sense in the context of their life span)

What if the Greek word "genea" has the meaning of "age" which has a duration of over 1,000 years and has no connection to a "descendant generation" which is what you are hanging your hat upon.

I am happy with the understanding that "genea" has the meaning of and "age."

 

[HealthyShape]

What if the Greek word "genea" has the meaning of "age" which has a duration of over 1,000 years

It does not have this meaning. The word for "age" in Greek is "aiónos", not "genea".

and has no connection to a "descendant generation" which is what you are hanging your hat upon.

My "hat" is not hanging upon this one verse. The immanency of the return of Christ is found throughout the New Testament:

"For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Mt 16:26-27

"there are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they see the kingdom of God having come in power. "
Mk 9:1

"there are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they have seen the kingdom of God. "
Lk 9:26-27

"Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes."
Mt 10:23

"Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Mt 24:34

"Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. This generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. "
Mk 13:30

"You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?...The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”
Lk 3:7-9

Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world,
from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.
Lk 11:50-51

"Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. "
Lk 21:31

"I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven"
Mt 26:64 (Jesus to Sanhedrin)

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
J 14:3 (Jesus to His apostles)

Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”
J 21:22 (this would make no sense with thousands of years, but it makes sense in the context of their life span)

"But this is that having been spoken by the prophet Joel: 'And it will be in the last days...the sun will be darkened, moon into blood, blood, fire, vapor..."
Act 2:16 - notice the apocalyptic language - used by the same Peter who wrote about heavens ending in fire etc. in his epistle

Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed.
1 Cor 1:7

"Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come."
1 Cor. 4:5

"The time that remains is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not...For this world in its present form is passing away."
1 Cor. 7:29

..the ends of the ages have come.
1Cor 10:11

"Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed..."
1 Cor. 15:51

"Then we the living who remain shall be caught away together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
1 The 4:17

"...and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. "
1 The 5:23

Who was manifest in these last times for you
1 Pt 1:20

The end of all things is at hand.
1 Pt 4:7

It is the last hour
1 John 2:18

"Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord.
The farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it, until it gets the early and late rains.
You too be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is near.
Do not complain, brethren, against one another, so that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing right at the door."
Jm 5:7-9

But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
Heb 1:2

... encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
Heb 10:25

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
Rev 1:1

Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy...because the time is near.
Rev 1:3

"Look, he is coming with the clouds,’ and ‘every eye will see him, even those who pierced him’; and all peoples on earth ‘will mourn because of him.’ So shall it be! Amen.”
Rev 1:7

"God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must come to pass soon."
Rev 22:6

"Behold, I am coming quickly:"
Rev 22:7

"Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is near."
Rev 22:10

"And, behold, I come quickly;"
Rev 22:12

 

[MatthewG]

The Mosaic Age, came to an end. It doesn't exist anymore.

We live in the fulfilment age today, but of course new generations are gonna come and go, because human beings will continue to exist on this earth once we die.



Cause if God destoryed the world and no one lived on it to turn to him the kingdom that last forever would end.

 

[MatthewG]

@Jay Ross

While this is all very creative. It only deals with the nation of israel. Just cause you have you issues with the world, doesn't mean anything.

Dont forget that God has reconciled the world unto himself through Yeshua.

Imagine if I get to live to 2045... ok cause i would ike idk im 34 now and add 20 more years ill be 54.

Im not gonna see anything.

 

[Jay Ross]

What if the Greek word "genea" has the meaning of "age" which has a duration of over 1,000 years

It does not have this meaning.

Well,



Matt 12:39 has the same Greek word as found in Matt 24:34 and it has no association with descendant generation that you are suggesting for Mat 24:34
Below is a sample of how Mat 12 39 has been translated in a number of versions: -

 

[Jay Ross]

@Jay Ross

While this is all very creative. It only deals with the nation of israel. Just cause you have you issues with the world, doesn't mean anything.

Dont forget that God has reconciled the world unto himself through Yeshua.

Imagine if I get to live to 2045... ok cause i would ike idk im 34 now and add 20 more years ill be 54.

Im not gonna see anything.

MatthewG, if Armageddon has not happened around that time, then I can be considered to be wrong. If on the other hand you see Armageddon unfolding in around 20 years' time, then you have to consider that your understanding is wrong.

I may not be around then, but will you be honest enough to admit your error in your ET theories.

 

[MatthewG]

Yep, I guess. You would be a false prophet.

 

[HealthyShape]

Well,

Matt 12:39 has the same Greek word as found in Matt 24:34 and it has no association with descendant generation that you are suggesting for Mat 24:34
Below is a sample of how Mat 12 39 has been translated in a number of versions: -

What do you think you proved with your long post? The word does not have the meaning you ascribed to it. The "age" the KJV uses is not the meaning you were talking about, but an age of the people (in a generation).

A long, multi-generational age/time is aionos, not genea.

 

[MatthewG]

Like if man is fighting with itself and stuff i get that world war 3 and stuff but it has nothing to do with Jesus coming back.


So my worry is - who are you gonna give this false hope to?


The whole wolrd war 3 wotn mean anything.

 

[MatthewG]

The last days started when Peter quoted Joel in Acts 2, he was signifying as being so but whatever you wanna believe @Jay Ross.


I understand you wanna win and belive you are right cool do that.

Just remember you would be deciving people by not telling them the truth. Giving them false hope.

 

[Jay Ross]

What do you think you proved with your long post? The word does not have the meaning you ascribed to it. The "age" the KJV uses is not the meaning you were talking about, but an age of the people (in a generation).

A long, multi-generational age/time is aionos, not genea.

Whatever you want to believe is okay by me, but for me, I will hold onto what I believe is the right understand of Genea as "an Age," In Matt 24:34.

And Yes, aionos, G:0165, is also understood to have the meaning of an age as well as world.

G:1074 is translated in the KJV as either an age or a generation, go figure.

 

[Jay Ross]

Yep, I guess. You would be a false prophet.

MatthewG: your false accusation is noted. You have based your statement that I am a false prophet, without any factual proof that what I had claim has happened yet. Remember that I had said that the event would happen in around 20 years from now. From my perspective, you are also claiming that Isaiah and John are also false prophets if your understanding is that I am a false prophet when I have used their respective prophecies to form my "prophecy."

Also please note that I had acknowledged that if what I had stated did not happen in around 20 years' time, then I would become known as a false prophet.

Oh well, such is life for a prophet. Look at poor Jeremiah, thrown into a cistern because people did not believe what he was prophesizing.